"state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
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- Maybach
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"state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
"Wagner wagon" (my C200 T Elegance),
Has been displaying inapprorpriate /impolite /rude manners at the traffic lights,
While idling/sitting in traffic&cruising.
He coughs,splutters, hiccups,hesitates&rough idle,
&Occassional/odd stalling,
&Farts (back firing),
I've had both the MAF sensor &spark plugs replaced& had a carbon de choke of the cylinder head,
All done 2-2.5 yrs ago,
Can etc the cause of his lung ability be ignition coil failure?,
He's done over 236K's since new,
Despite all of the above problems,
Recently i got 532 k's to a full tank of E10 United.
Has been displaying inapprorpriate /impolite /rude manners at the traffic lights,
While idling/sitting in traffic&cruising.
He coughs,splutters, hiccups,hesitates&rough idle,
&Occassional/odd stalling,
&Farts (back firing),
I've had both the MAF sensor &spark plugs replaced& had a carbon de choke of the cylinder head,
All done 2-2.5 yrs ago,
Can etc the cause of his lung ability be ignition coil failure?,
He's done over 236K's since new,
Despite all of the above problems,
Recently i got 532 k's to a full tank of E10 United.
- Bartman4800
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
It sounds like you might have a vacuum leak, check that first.
Spray around the vacuum hose ends with a bit of brake cleaner or carb cleaner. If it revs up you have a vacuum leak.
Using E10 can make fuel hoses perish in an accelerated manner...
Regards, Bart
Spray around the vacuum hose ends with a bit of brake cleaner or carb cleaner. If it revs up you have a vacuum leak.
Using E10 can make fuel hoses perish in an accelerated manner...
Regards, Bart
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- Maybach
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
What broken/worn part(s) cause vacumn leakage& how much $are the part (s) themselves?.
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
Any hose/tee/connector that is installed on the intake manifold can cause a vacuum leak. Also gaskets between engine and manifold, injector rubbers etc... Anything between the MAP/F sensor and the engine block is suspect.
https://www.familyhandyman.com/project/ ... e%20light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzDY95aqXg
Regards, Bart
https://www.familyhandyman.com/project/ ... e%20light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzDY95aqXg
Regards, Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
2012 W212 E250CDI
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
2012 W212 E250CDI
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
How old is the fuel pump?
They exhibit all your symptoms when failing. Particularly in cold weather.
What year is your W202? pre '96 with bad wiring or post '96?
They exhibit all your symptoms when failing. Particularly in cold weather.
What year is your W202? pre '96 with bad wiring or post '96?
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- Maybach
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
Wagner is 1997 ,
The fuel pump hasn't ever been replaced since new.
The fuel pump hasn't ever been replaced since new.
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
There is a way of connecting an LED so that you can read any faults detected by the computer. Might be worth a go before replacing parts that you aren't sure are the cause of the problem (also known as the parts cannon).
On a different type of car I had similar symptoms that was caused by a faulty camshaft sensor.
On a different type of car I had similar symptoms that was caused by a faulty camshaft sensor.
W202 2000 C200T Elegance
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
"Wagner's" mechanical surgeon(s) (Starline Motors Blackburn,Melbourne,Victoria),
Diagnosed ignition coil failure as being the cause of aforementioned problems,
All cost parts&labour $385,
He ("Wagner") is no longer coughing, spluttering, sneezing or farting!,
He's back to his old self again! :).
Diagnosed ignition coil failure as being the cause of aforementioned problems,
All cost parts&labour $385,
He ("Wagner") is no longer coughing, spluttering, sneezing or farting!,
He's back to his old self again! :).
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
+1 on the comment about not using E10. It is evil stuff. If we strip an engine that has been running on cheap fuel, it is almost always black and filthy inside, no matter how regular the oil changes were. Strip and engine that has bene run exclusively on premium fuels and had regular oil changes and they look clean. Like many things in life you get what you pay for with fuel.
Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
John Green, Member Institute Automotive Mechanical Engineers
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
I "spoke" too soon,
Wagner's still mis behaving (rough uneven idling) &backfiring.....,
I'll have to call his surgeon&relay this information back to him.....,
Sigh curious as to What HE/THEY DIDN'T DO?!!!!!.
Wagner's still mis behaving (rough uneven idling) &backfiring.....,
I'll have to call his surgeon&relay this information back to him.....,
Sigh curious as to What HE/THEY DIDN'T DO?!!!!!.
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
"Wagner" needed a new fuel filter& new spark plugs,
Even though i bought from/off fee/preybay (Ebay),
Top of the range NGK iridium spark plugs,
These were installed nearly 3 yrs ago,
But due to the use of E10 had severely badly corroded,
I was shocked&surprised at this,
From here/now on i'm ONLY ever going to give "Wagner" a drink of 91,
& Go back to using regular Bosch or NGK plugs,
BUT i may etc go back to the NGK iridium plugs.....
Even though i bought from/off fee/preybay (Ebay),
Top of the range NGK iridium spark plugs,
These were installed nearly 3 yrs ago,
But due to the use of E10 had severely badly corroded,
I was shocked&surprised at this,
From here/now on i'm ONLY ever going to give "Wagner" a drink of 91,
& Go back to using regular Bosch or NGK plugs,
BUT i may etc go back to the NGK iridium plugs.....
- Bartman4800
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Re: "state of tune"/ poor lung/breathing capacity.
EHMM....91 contains Methanol almost per definition
Best to fill with 95 or 98
And checking the spark plugs would have been a first port of call...
Iridium plugs are not better than copper plugs, but they last longer (or are supposed to).
Regards, Bart
Best to fill with 95 or 98
And checking the spark plugs would have been a first port of call...
Iridium plugs are not better than copper plugs, but they last longer (or are supposed to).
Regards, Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
2012 W212 E250CDI
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
2012 W212 E250CDI
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)