Considering Purcahse - 280e

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PunkJr
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Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by PunkJr » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 6:41 pm

Hi all

I received a call from a chap that lives in our district who is moving to smaller accommodation and needing to sell his 1976 280e. This has sat dormant for around 12 years and he doesn't recall anything needing to be done to the car when it was last driven. The car has done 460.000km and he is asking $900 as is, where is. Not knowing much about the M110, nor bringing cars back to life after sitting for so long, can anyone shed light on whether I should leave this alone or pursue it? My son will be getting his licence next year and I thought this may be a good car for him - he has been eyeing of my 230e for some time and he looked at this car with me today and he likes the look of it. The exterior is straight, interior is tidy (drivers seat has collapsed), has alloys.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Ty
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Re: Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 7:08 pm

Hi Punker,

It might be a good purchase.

Just consider that everything brake most likely needs to be replaced (flexible hoses, master and slave cylinders)
All coolant hoses will be very hard too. And if you are unlucky, galvanic corrosion has done a lot of damage to the alloy parts of the engine (due to coolant that has gone acidic over time) like the water pump, head and thermostat housing.

But let's hope all of that is not too bad and you start it up and drive it into the sunset :wave:

But for that amount it's a steal as a parts donor alone...

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Re: Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by mathuisella » Tue 11 Jun, 2019 7:37 am

Buy it, and bring it back for former glory once you replace fluids and rubber components. It will be a great teaching / bonding time with your son.

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Re: Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by CraigB » Tue 11 Jun, 2019 3:08 pm

Yep, i was thinking that looks like a great project for a first car. Needs heaps of hours going over cleaning it all, checking out hoses etc. I would suggest draining fuel and replacing lines before attempting to start - don't want to drag that muck through the fuel system.

You probably know 123 better than me now, but from memory most painful rust is around bonnet hinges, under battery etc - that's the sort of stuff that could dampen enthusiasm - but hopefully its a long term 'town car' that was always parked under shelter and rust not bad.

And M110 is a really strong motor - great twin cam and i reckon only drawback is its thirst - also plenty of poke in that body and with injection, but not crazy power to learn in. Look up the front of the motor, at the side, drivers side on my car - and look for oil leaks between head/cam carrier - if leaking it is a major job to do that or replace head gasket. If it has got to 460 you would think it has had head done and then probably has the later/better gasket in there. Solid lifters , so check valve clearance.
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Re: Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by tsharkey » Tue 11 Jun, 2019 4:37 pm

Great project but as others have indicated - will need a thorough going over.

If the M110 is a problem, very easy to slip an OM617 in its place, and run it on diesel (pretty much bolts in) - will be more economical and jnr could run it on BioD ....
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Re: Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by PunkJr » Tue 11 Jun, 2019 5:08 pm

Thanks guys. Sound like I'd be crazy to pass this up, even as a donor car but it does look too good for that. The only thing that worries me is the hydro rear suspension, especially after sitting so long with no fluid through it. Maybe a spring conversion is on the cards. Appreciate your feedback.

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Re: Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by mathuisella » Tue 11 Jun, 2019 5:52 pm

PunkJr wrote:
Tue 11 Jun, 2019 5:08 pm
Thanks guys. Sound like I'd be crazy to pass this up, even as a donor car but it does look too good for that. The only thing that worries me is the hydro rear suspension, especially after sitting so long with no fluid through it. Maybe a spring conversion is on the cards. Appreciate your feedback.
umm, not a hard job to do the self levelling system

I rebuilt the actuator and put in new spheres as well as new special struts, all in the back car port with basic tools.

I have a brand new set of spheres if you need

also the repair kit for the actuator in the rear, only buy oem kit for it, it's about $110 and is worth it as it will work first time with perfect sealing.

the struts are about $500-750 for the set. Ebay these.

Spheres, you can have mine for $120 each instead of the $200 approx they usually go for.

the hydraulic pump. I have a spare one of these if you need as the parts for these are NLA. Mates rates for it $100 ? :)

so you can redo the whole system for about $1000 or less :)

Also, penrite sell the appropriate special oil for the system and it's much cheaper than mercedes....
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Check out my thread here on the suspension system

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Re: Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by mathuisella » Tue 11 Jun, 2019 5:58 pm

Oh, there's a forum member here in brissie with a 280 m110 car that he's parting out :)

Lockiedog i think is his username. :)

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Re: Considering Purcahse - 280e

Post by CraigB » Tue 11 Jun, 2019 7:20 pm

Great support there - but I wouldn't be overly worried about the sls unless it is known to have a problem. Its a very durable system and the spheres last a bit like a set of 'normal' shocks. The system will have been sitting there full of oil, with seals in oil - I would see how it goes first, might be fine. The car has done a fair sort of mileage, so the struts and other things could be worn, but it really comes down to if you have leaks. Spheres will cost you a lot less than a new set of shocks to replace with springs. The flex hose from the pump is the main problem i have had, but you can have them redone by a hydraulic hose place..... you should know some locals that do that sort of thing - but just make sure they swap all the little plastic bits across from inside and don't use metal reinforced hose. Its such a great system and the main bits that go not that expensive and even if struts gone, they last so long you can fit 'dry' used ones and expect a bit of life out of them. If the struts are a problem, I might be able to help.

And it is high mileage, but if this was their 'drive car' living in the country, before parking it in the shed while you thought about what to do with it... and 12 yrs later..... (there has been a few of those over the years at my inlaws at Keith) - then they probably got things fixed properly as they went. But if it 'worked' when parked, but was a bit tired, your not outlaying much to start with and i reckon the main thing is be a bit careful about what you spend on it until you clean it up and have a good assessment of it. You can then quit out of it. But main thing is if it is a good clean body and interior and without any amount of rust, you can probably pick up bits from another rusty car. I haven't assessed the condition but I am picking up a W116 with running motor and trans, but haven't got compression tester etc onto it yet. Car is a write off though.
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