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M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by KiwiTR6 » Sun 26 Aug, 2018 8:56 am

Hi All.

I'm the proud owner of a 73 Triumph TR6 and I'm looking for an alternative engine to the stock 2.5L six. One of interest to me is the M110 which has a higher output in various guises than the TR engine with the potential for even more without getting too carried away. Plus, it's the correct vintage and looks so cool...

My question is then - will it fit?

If anyone is prepared to take a look for me and give me the following dimensions I would be truly appreciative for the help.

Height from crank centreline to top of cam cover
Depth from crank centreline to bottom of sump
Length and width of cam cover
Engine length from front of crank pulley to bellhousing flange.

Many thanks
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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by Mercmad » Mon 27 Aug, 2018 10:23 pm

I don't have dimensions off hand but having worked on both i can assure you that NO, the M110 will not fit because it's too tall . And probably 1/3rd heavier that the Triumph unit. At one time I would have recommended a Holden V6 but with GMH gone and soon to be forgotten,you need to fit something you can buy bits for,such as a Nissan V8. Small powerful and very long lasting.

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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 29 Aug, 2018 5:40 pm

Someone here had an M103 3 liter for sale from a W140 for little money...
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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by KiwiTR6 » Sun 02 Sep, 2018 6:16 pm

Mercmad wrote:
Mon 27 Aug, 2018 10:23 pm
I don't have dimensions off hand but having worked on both i can assure you that NO, the M110 will not fit because it's too tall . And probably 1/3rd heavier that the Triumph unit. At one time I would have recommended a Holden V6 but with GMH gone and soon to be forgotten,you need to fit something you can buy bits for,such as a Nissan V8. Small powerful and very long lasting.
Thanks for the comments, that's all I needed to know. Really would prefer an in-line engine as any V will require major changes to the steering shaft plus clearance for the exhaust is tight as it is. If I could find an easy way around those problems then I'd probably opt for an Alfa V6!

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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 03 Sep, 2018 11:59 am

Not sure about the dims, but how about a Ford Barra engine?

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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by KiwiTR6 » Mon 03 Sep, 2018 5:49 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:
Mon 03 Sep, 2018 11:59 am
Not sure about the dims, but how about a Ford Barra engine?

Bart
Awesome engine but it's huge. Trying to find a compact in-line six alternative isn't an easy task!

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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 04 Sep, 2018 9:48 am

If you are looking for a small inline 6, a Bmw comes to mind.

The E30 series and E36 had a 325i


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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by Honey500 » Thu 06 Sep, 2018 1:51 pm

Hi Bart,

Is the BMW slightly tilted making it faeces lower for a project like Gavin is talking about?

Just out of interest.
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Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 06 Sep, 2018 1:57 pm

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=bmw+ ... uYn__GNJM:

This pic would suggest so yes. But I think BMW did it to make room for the intake manifold.
No faeces in there though...

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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by CraigB » Thu 06 Sep, 2018 3:07 pm

That's f'unny - autocorrect to the word faeces.... when you misspell 'sit' with an 'h' in it!
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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by Honey500 » Sat 08 Sep, 2018 12:02 am

Only slightly embarrassing auto correct! :dontknow:
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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by KiwiTR6 » Sat 08 Sep, 2018 3:10 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:
Tue 04 Sep, 2018 9:48 am
If you are looking for a small inline 6, a Bmw comes to mind.

The E30 series and E36 had a 325i


Bart
Yes that's been done, but the tilt is toward the steering shaft so it would need to be modified. I think the one I've seen was a LHD model so not an issue. Sure fills the engine bay though!

Other thoughts and possible issues have been:
TVR Speed six - if only!!
RB30 from a VK Commie - possibly too large and exhaust on wrong side (not insurmountable though)
Nissan L24/26/28 - as above and harder to find
Holden 186/202 - size and exhaust but probably the most practical/economic option

Other thoughts:
Volvo L5
Audi L5
GM L5 - almost certainly too big and would have to come from the US.

Thanks for the thoughts guys.
Gavin

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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by Honey500 » Sat 08 Sep, 2018 9:00 pm

At the moment the internet would tell you the Barra(already suggested) but that is a big motor.

If you go the Nissan RB line they also do the 26 but not sure if that is any smaller that the Commie's RB30. You might find that a non-turbo RB26 is reasonably priced. A mate of mine just sold one recently....not sure what he got for it. Depending on what you are trying to achieve the RB26 is much newer than something pulled out of an old Commie!

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Re: M110 Engine Dimensions

Post by KiwiTR6 » Sun 16 Sep, 2018 7:16 pm

Honey500 wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 9:00 pm
At the moment the internet would tell you the Barra(already suggested) but that is a big motor.

If you go the Nissan RB line they also do the 26 but not sure if that is any smaller that the Commie's RB30. You might find that a non-turbo RB26 is reasonably priced. A mate of mine just sold one recently....not sure what he got for it. Depending on what you are trying to achieve the RB26 is much newer than something pulled out of an old Commie!

Good luck
Yes the Barra is an awesome piece of kit, but very large with it.

The RB would be a nice option in NA form and probably easier to obtain in good condition than the VL motor.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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