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KimB
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Has anyone encountered this problem?

Post by KimB » Sun 03 Jun, 2018 11:58 am

W126 86 300SE Champagne
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Christo C
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Re: Has anyone encountered this problem?

Post by Christo C » Sun 03 Jun, 2018 12:08 pm

Yes! Always been a problem since they started using “rattleguns” - I too have broken many tools trying to get wheels off; it’s a real nuisance if you are out in the bush and no-one else is around!
For the past 40 years I have insisted tyre “experts” do the wheel nuts by hand, and I always check afterwards just to be sure.
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Re: Has anyone encountered this problem?

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 03 Jun, 2018 11:17 pm

I have a breaker bar and long 17mm socket to get my wheels on and off.
If I have a tyre repaired at a tyre shop, I then always remove that tyre and wheel from the car and put it back on.

I recently changed the wheels on my W211.
Needed to use the breaker to get every wheel bolt undone and then a rubber mallett to bash the tyre to get the wheel released from the hub.

On along trip I always bring the mallet and breaker bar with 17mm socket.

I have read forum stories of broken of bolt head from those very long bolts on '80's and '90's Benz Wheels.
I've also read forum stories of distorted wheels from over tightened bolts.
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Re: Has anyone encountered this problem?

Post by John Green » Tue 05 Jun, 2018 9:54 pm

KimB wrote:
Sun 03 Jun, 2018 11:58 am
From Kent Bergsma. ....

https://mercedessource.com/news/why-we- ... o-it-right
Not if you have a set of these....

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Post by julian » Sat 09 Jun, 2018 11:12 am

John Green wrote:
Tue 05 Jun, 2018 9:54 pm
KimB wrote:
Sun 03 Jun, 2018 11:58 am
From Kent Bergsma. ....

https://mercedessource.com/news/why-we- ... o-it-right
Not if you have a set of these....

http://www.torquestick.com/cart/home.php?cat=
What a brilliant tool.
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Re: Has anyone encountered this problem?

Post by CraigB » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 9:16 am

This topic reminds me of when i built an Escort rally car many years ago and used a comprehensive publication put out by the works team, right down to where to weld and how long welds should be to brace shell just right - I guess they had lots of practice! It talked specifically about wheel nut tension and stating the main reason for wheels coming off was over tightening of nuts - the threads get stretched and reduces contact area etc .... and that they should always be set at correct tension. I know that is pretty extreme use but its just not that hard to use a torque wrench or those magic sticks of John that hopefully will become the norm for tyre places. I have the correct tension written on my torque wrench so I don't have to look it up.
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Re: Has anyone encountered this problem?

Post by gjlockyer » Sun 29 Jul, 2018 10:37 pm

in 1976 I had a new set of tyres fitted in Sydney (can't remember the place responsible) and set off for my sister's home in Kalbar (Qld, near Cunninghams Gap) the next day. The following Sunday I went to the local Church and after the Service discovered a flat tire on the car. I could not get any of the bolts to budge with the tool in the set that came with the car - a 1955 220a. A young farmer pulled a new Sidchrome socket set from his ute and told me to "let him at it." He was a big bloke with arms as thick as my legs. He got two bolts off and kept adding extensions from the set until he .... cracked the side of the socket out. And that was back in the day when the Sidchrome was both expensive and very good quality with a lifetime guarantee. The RACQ towed the car away and four days later I got it back. My memory is a bit hazy, but at least one or two bolts on every wheel had to have the head cut off. I think they welded a larger bolt on the remaining shaft to remove them.
I handed the bill to the tyre place in Sydney after I returned and after pestering them for about a month finally got reimbursed, but only after threatening to call in Consumer Affairs.
Once bitten, I have demanded of all other tyre firms since that they manually tighten the bolts / nuts to the recommended torque - which I supply.
Gary
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