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1939 770K auction

Post by Jake » Mon 01 Jan, 2018 4:23 pm

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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by Christo C » Mon 01 Jan, 2018 5:21 pm

Fascinating story & car, though (if I had that sort of money) I wouldn’t feel real comfortable owning it ....
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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by cuisses » Mon 01 Jan, 2018 9:02 pm

Christo C wrote:
Mon 01 Jan, 2018 5:21 pm
Fascinating story & car, though (if I had that sort of money) I wouldn’t feel real comfortable owning it ....
Yes, I much prefer to sit down and enjoy the drive - all that standing up with my right arm raised would drive me batty.
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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 01 Jan, 2018 10:53 pm

Reading through the article which seems to repeat itself a few times.
Prices for the previous purchases seem to be world records. It will probably do this again
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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by Mercmad » Tue 02 Jan, 2018 8:00 am

A load of lies in the Story . This car belongs to a well known dealer in Germany whose main shtick seems to be telling the biggest lies possible to sell a car. Hitler never ordered anything in the way of cars and never owned a car in his life . The car would have been the property of Daimler Benz ,as are the fleet of W100's the Germans use today. There were a lot of these 770Ks and there's even one in NZ.(Southwards car Museum) When ever a parade car was needed a fleet would be dispatched for who ever in the Nazi party needed it. Porsche was responsible for the design of these Behemoths and was one of the reasons he got locked up after the war . There are two Mercs which were known to be owned by Nazis, Goering's blue goose and the car Heydrich died in .Everything else attributed to Hitler is crap . https://www.britannica.com/biography/Reinhard-Heydrich

other sources picture a similar model but with stencilling to the 506th PIR of US 101 Airborne Division stencilled on the front fender,exhibited at Selden Arcade in USA, December 1945..in mint condition, its stated that it is the car Goering was in when captured...the pictured vehicle with the british civillian registration "JLY 819" was exhibited around the UK in 1945 to raise money for the war effort..i have somewhere in my collection, an original rare leaflet/programme of the period showing JLY819 in as found condition without the headlights, and before it was re registered as a civillian vehicle...i believe that currently (2007) one of the military veterans who either brought JLY819 into the uk originally after capture,or had bought it in a postwar auction ..still retains the vehicles toolkit roll..which still bears the vehicles original WH or IA registration number..although it was exhibited as Goerings car, as late as the year 2004 there was some debate as to wether it actually was his....it is thought JLY819 eventually ended up in the USA, where it was sold in 1974 by Kruse International Auctions, for 80,000 US Dollars....and hasnt been seen since..either way,JLY819 is not the same vehicle captured by either the US 36th Div or US 101st Airborne.It is known for certain that JLY819 had at least 3 civillian owners in postwar Britain in the 1950s who used it as a private car..eventually selling it as it was too big to handle..and at least one former owner has retained printed items relating to the vehicle...i remember seeing an article relating to JLY819s postwar use in either "Classic Military Vehicle".."After The Battle".."Military Vehicle Trust Windscreen", magasines printed in the UK..Image

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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by Mercmad » Tue 02 Jan, 2018 8:09 am

Here's Goering's Roadster being liberated by some British soldiers.Image

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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by Jake » Tue 02 Jan, 2018 8:23 am

Interesting write up mercmad , do you see the JLY819 pic is different car to the one on the trailer.
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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by brother benz68 » Tue 02 Jan, 2018 9:05 am

According t reputable War History Online, the vehicle indeed was commissioned by someone very close to Hitler - his chauffeur, Erich Kempka.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-ar ... rrior.html

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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by Honey500 » Tue 02 Jan, 2018 9:37 am

Interesting read. Seems to have been picked up by a few different news outlets.

I also picked up an article reportedly from 1977 interviewing Munson and Ogden who apparantley found the car....but is this the same car....was it ever ridden in by you know who!?
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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by brother benz68 » Tue 02 Jan, 2018 3:11 pm

....was it ever ridden in by you know who!?

That could literally be a million dollar question.

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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 02 Jan, 2018 5:47 pm

Erich Kempka was more than a Chauffeur. He was in charge of the Fuhrer motor pool.
There was a large garage underneath the Reichstag building where many cars were kept. He was in charge of this garage and the drivers allocated to cars via him.
It was alleged that he actually ordered the armored car in 1939. The other 770's in the fleet were as not armored as such.
Ownership of this fleet was most likely the National Socialist Party itself

(The British Royal Family has a fleet of cars - the Queen technically doesn't own them - she is CEO of "The Firm")

After multiple bombing attempt on Hitlers life in the fleet of cars had their number plates rotated for decoy purposes. (especially after the 1994 briefcase bomb). Hitler had doubles. Many claims have been made regarding the exact car which carried Hitler however because of the changing number plates even looking at old photos or footage of parades its unclear exactly what chassis is under the plate in the front.

Many German companies were complicit with the Nazi's - but having said that what else was the alternative? Henry Ford was a great admirer of Hitler.
So were a great many other western leaders and company heads. This includes the abdicated King of England and his American wife. Hatred of the Jewish religion was not confined to Germany.

The car in the Canadian Museum is claimed to be the armored car :dontknow:
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
Departed
W202 - C200, C180, C180
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240, E240
W209 CLK 240
W201 190e 2.6 (ex U.K.)

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Re: 1939 770K auction

Post by Mercmad » Tue 02 Jan, 2018 9:05 pm

Jake wrote:
Tue 02 Jan, 2018 8:23 am
Interesting write up mercmad , do you see the JLY819 pic is different car to the one on the trailer.
Yes of course, Goering's car is a roadster and a completely different model .As you are in NZ,Have you seen the one in Southwards museum? I first saw this one 40 years ago and they are a truly huge car .My then Wife ,standing next to the headlight was barely as high as the top of the light. Heres another shot of the goering car and a 770K ,by this time in the hands of Americans .Image
Here is a link as to how the Americans happened to be in possession of both cars.
http://www.literaryclub.org/sitebuilder ... ooseii.pdf

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