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Tail light lenses

Post by evani » Wed 09 Apr, 2008 7:25 pm

Hi, chasing new rear tial light lenses for my 65 finny rebuild, any help would be appreciated.
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Post by drew56cus » Thu 10 Apr, 2008 8:28 am

You don't want to go down the route of new tail lights Evan - they are $1200 a set from MB.
The lenses are not meant to be replaced, as they are bonded into the chrome housings. having said that, last week I cut a good indicator out of another tail light assembly to transfer it another - used a dremel with a little cutoff disc to cut away the inner lip, so I could pop the lens out. then used silicone to glue it back in place in the housing.

There are many who are also looking for tail lights. I have been meaning to take a set of lenses up to a guy who makes new lenses to see what he coudl do and how much it would cost. Seems like I should pull my finger out and do it. Now that I have my finny on the road, at least I can get over to his place.

So if anyone else is after some lenses, let me know and I will see if the economics stacks up.
Until then Evan, try wreckers, Ebay, MB Spares, or Chris Stewart (in Melbourne - bikesncars@optusnet.com.au).
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Post by AMG » Fri 11 Apr, 2008 8:32 am

Drew,
there's a bloke over Chermside way that makes moulds etc for tailights. Is this the man you are referring to?
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Post by 230Rocket » Fri 11 Apr, 2008 11:03 am

I'd be very interested in finnie tail lights. I removed and dismantled the nearside one on Shrek to give it a good clean; plenty of accumulated gunk was cleaned out and I'm sure it looks brighter. However the offisde is more discoloured and probably won't benefit as much from cleaning internally. They are a work of enormous complexity with screwed covers for the reversing lights, separate O-ring sealed components for the number plate lights and so on.

I have details from a hot rod mag about making coloured plastic lenses and the like from scratch but the intricacy of the inside of the lenses with hundreds of prismatic reflecting surfaces may prevent them being accurately reformed by me at home!

Could you keep me posted on the progress here? Having scouted round I don't fancy the prospect of shelling out several hundred dollars for one of these.

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Post by 230Rocket » Fri 11 Apr, 2008 11:45 am

BTW Joe,

Sorry to hear about the prang, hope all repairs well and rapid, I'm not far from your location so if you need anything let me know...

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Post by drew56cus » Fri 11 Apr, 2008 1:20 pm

Joe, I was talking about a guy up the Sunshine Coast, George Lory. Or there is Classic Plastic - Dale McShane - on the Gold Coast. Would be interested in the Chermside guy. Any details?
I have also been told about a guy in northern NSW that was featured reccently in an issue of Australian Classic Car - anyone have that article?
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Post by AMG » Fri 11 Apr, 2008 2:49 pm

Drew,
I've seen Dale's work and it isn't bad.
The chermside guy is someone I met through a guy I used to do bike work for. I cannot remember his name, But I'll give ted a ring and find out.

Dean, Thanks for the well-wishes. I'm up to my eyeballs in pain relief, and should be back on deck by the end of next week with some physio.
Saw the bike today. Probably about $5K damage. Might do it all myself- except for the paint. I think I want a Different Colour.

My suggestion those those who want to try moulding, get some latex casting rubber, and 2 lenses in tip top condition, cover them with silicone oil and wipe clean, then cast the latex in. (need to do both sides) this copies the prism shapes and casting marks for a complete OEM look.

it's best to make up a rigid container to fit the latex in, so it doesn't distort when making the mould.

FGI have the casting resin, beware it is not plastic, but the trick is to get a reproduction of the shape you need exactly, so the guys can reproduce it.
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2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
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Post by sydney1 » Fri 11 Apr, 2008 6:05 pm

if you have dull tail light lenses i purchased orange and red colouring for bulbs and washed and scrubbed the inside of lenses and painted several coats still looks dull on outside but is red or orange when lights on and indicator is very orange/amber Passes rego inspection i thing super cheap has them Sydney

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Post by evani » Sat 12 Apr, 2008 10:40 am

Cheers to all for the help, I dont think I will go down the road of new, not at that cost. I have had a little work on plastics so I may go with the second option of making my own molds
Will let you all know how I go when it comes to that part of the project.
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Post by Brisso57 » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 8:29 pm

Would using a high intensity red LED unit behind the faded lens do the trick? (as opposed to a white bulb)
See, for instance, products like http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.as ... &SUBCATID=

???

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Post by sydney1 » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 10:37 pm

My tail lights are Led and they are almost as bright as brake lights and work very well Sydney

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Post by tugpilot1 » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 8:19 am

[quote="sydney1"]My tail lights are Led and they are almost as bright as brake lights and work very well Sydney[/quote]

I bet that confuses the drivers behind you.

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Post by OzBenzHead » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 11:42 am

sydney1 wrote:My tail lights are Led and they are almost as bright as brake lights and work very well Sydney
Did you have to put some extra resistance in the line to compensate for the difference between incandescent and LED current draw? Otherwise, wouldn't it stuff up your electricals?
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Post by Aegean » Mon 19 May, 2008 12:58 am

This may be the guy you are talking about in NSW

http://www.tailights.com/

As far as I can recall, he requires a minimum order of 10 sets, and they cost, depending on complexity, around $45.00 each.

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Post by Jonathan_Essling » Wed 21 May, 2008 4:52 pm

If they've lost colour, try spraying them on the inside with nail polish.

Chap I met used to swear by it, said he could match his tail lights to the current fashionable reds - not so sure about the orange tho'

Don't think his SWMBO was too impressed when her nail polish went walkies, and it probably raised a few questions.....
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Post by drew56cus » Wed 21 May, 2008 4:59 pm

Thanks for the lead Craig/Agean. I will chase it up when I get back from the work trip. (Will also contact you about the ID tags).
Most of the tail lights I have seen are cracked.
For faded ones, I have also heard of rubbing the inside with vaseline. Imagine heading down to the shed and getting busted with some nail polish and a jar of vaseline!!
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Post by sydney1 » Sat 24 May, 2008 10:03 pm

the red tail light led Lamps available from Dick Smith Jacar are an incandesant lamp replacement about $10.00 each red non flashing for tail light and amber for indicators all work without any electrical changes.

i am playing with white led,s to improve dash / Speedo lights dont know how they will work with dimmer resistor will take photos and diagram if it works and post

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Post by Bartman4800 » Sat 27 Oct, 2012 11:51 am

This thread is now 4 years old; has anyone in the meantime looked at reproducing lenses?

I am cutting mine out to have the frame re-chromed, but I am interested in having some remade.


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Post by Mercmad » Sat 27 Oct, 2012 7:08 pm

...and in four years no one has bothered to try and make some :laughing6: ,but I need to pull finger and make some for my W111 coupe. I can only get SL tail light lenses which have the wrong profile .

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Post by drew56cus » Sun 28 Oct, 2012 9:05 am

From info I obtained, the cost of repairing the die cast housing and then rechroming made it not really worthwhile. From memory, it was something like $330 ea to do the housings. Never got the cost of making lenses.
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Has anyone tried changing lenses from one light to another??
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Post by Bartman4800 » Sun 28 Oct, 2012 12:39 pm

drew56cus wrote:From info I obtained, the cost of repairing the die cast housing and then rechroming made it not really worthwhile. From memory, it was something like $330 ea to do the housings. Never got the cost of making lenses.
What had to be repaired to the cast? Mine just have dulled out chrome with a few bubbles.
I think they should be able to be re-chromed easily.
What is the alternative Drew?
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Post by Bartman4800 » Sun 28 Oct, 2012 12:41 pm

Tmaguire wrote:
ImageUploadedByTapatalk1351376032.811854.jpg
Has anyone tried changing lenses from one light to another??
Scroll up to one of Drew's posts :whistle:
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Post by drew56cus » Sun 28 Oct, 2012 7:21 pm

Most of my tail lights had quite a bit of bubbling. You can't just fill over it and expect it to last. I have been told that not many chrome shops can deal with repairing die-cast properly. I guess the alternative to getting a competent chrome shop to do the repair is to cross your fingers?!

The problem with getting plastic lenses reproduced is you need perfect ones to make copies from. My right red parts are that good, but not the indicator. My left one is not good enough. So who wants to cut their perfect lenses out to be sent away to be copied for the greater good?!

And yes Tim, just dremel out the inside lip of the lens that holds the lens in place. I used little cutoff wheels. Note that the plastic tends to harden agains oince it cools. Slow and steady is the go.
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Post by Tmaguire » Mon 29 Oct, 2012 8:35 am

Might send a couple up for you Drew!


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Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 29 Oct, 2012 9:26 am

These still do go reasonably cheap on ebay now and then, two weeks ago I picked up this one for $50:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/280967878965 ... 1497.l2649

It was actually up on ebay for quite a while and I was surprised no one grabbed it sooner - the right hand tail lights tend to be harder to find in good condition because many have been heat damaged over the years due to the exhaust being on that side. There was also a pair of tail lights that appeared to be in very good condition that sold for around 120 or so a few months back. So good ones are still out there and not super hard to come by.
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Post by CraigB » Wed 24 Apr, 2013 8:32 pm

If you are stripping down lights for reproduction stuff, the best solution to the diecast thing is to have new brass mouldings made, and depending on how many done you might be surprised how cheap - ask around your local foundries. Have had Amilcar parts made this way. The brass is nice to work with, can be polished to a nice finish and then the platers will love you and can do a perfect job - or hand to them and they will do. Main thing is, you will never have a problem again and they will be better than the $1200 original ones.
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Post by eri67 » Wed 24 Apr, 2013 8:49 pm

CraigB wrote:If you are stripping down lights for reproduction stuff, the best solution to the diecast thing is to have new brass mouldings made, and depending on how many done you might be surprised how cheap - ask around your local foundries. Have had Amilcar parts made this way. The brass is nice to work with, can be polished to a nice finish and then the platers will love you and can do a perfect job - or hand to them and they will do. Main thing is, you will never have a problem again and they will be better than the $1200 original ones.
have been thinking the same, i have done some bronze casting, when at uni and really enjoyed it
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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 26 Apr, 2013 10:27 am

I am looking at new lenses too. I am in the process of taking the old lenses out to have the frame re-chromed.
We can probably team together to get a larger run. Might do a larger run and start selling them on Ebay...
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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 28 Apr, 2013 2:28 pm

Il be keen to get some made up too.

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Post by Zebchapman » Fri 28 Jun, 2013 5:57 pm

i would still be intertested in new tail lights, mine are really cracked and not in a good a good way.

thankfully drew was happy enough to lend me his while i passed mine for rego... think i still owe him a beer haha.

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 06 Jul, 2013 6:30 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:I am looking at new lenses too. I am in the process of taking the old lenses out to have the frame re-chromed.
We can probably team together to get a larger run. Might do a larger run and start selling them on Ebay...

How did you go with having your frames re chromed?
I'm gonna go down the same route, either use the better pair of the two cars I have and have them re chromed and some lenses made up- if that's possible.
Any body had any lenses made up before or frames?

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Post by eri67 » Sat 06 Jul, 2013 6:41 pm

harryskater_220 wrote:
Bartman4800 wrote:I am looking at new lenses too. I am in the process of taking the old lenses out to have the frame re-chromed.
We can probably team together to get a larger run. Might do a larger run and start selling them on Ebay...

How did you go with having your frames re chromed?
I'm gonna go down the same route, either use the better pair of the two cars I have and have them re chromed and some lenses made up- if that's possible.
Any body had any lenses made up before or frames?
There is a source on eBay for lenses, but are stupidly expensive, haven't got the link handy, as im om my phone, but about 80 dollars us for the indicators, and over 300 is for the red bits that's each!

*edit* I posted the link a few posts back... Doh!
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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 07 Jul, 2013 9:58 am

I just saw your link. Your right, expensive. But look great! how would those things even fit into the frames? They'd have to be modified as in the lip would have be cut off and the lenses glued in. Also my indicator lenses are red and I think I'd like to keep them red with the rest of the tail lights.

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Post by eri67 » Sun 07 Jul, 2013 7:28 pm

harryskater_220 wrote:I just saw your link. Your right, expensive. But look great! how would those things even fit into the frames? They'd have to be modified as in the lip would have be cut off and the lenses glued in. Also my indicator lenses are red and I think I'd like to keep them red with the rest of the tail lights.
they also offer a red indicator.
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Post by Mercmad » Mon 08 Jul, 2013 7:54 pm

Harry,they must have been replaced at one point because red indicators are not legal in NZ. They must be amber,same as here. I found ONE brand new tail light for Drew . The guy who has it bought it decades ago for his 230S but never used it. It's just like it left the factory. A really rare find.

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 14 Jul, 2013 7:03 am

Was it always that way in New Zealand Ron? Both my cars have Red indicator lenses!
I hope I can get it through the re registration process without having to change them for amber.

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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 6:30 am

Don't know if anybody has come across this website for replacement lenses but at least it's cheaper than Mr Fiat or whoever was selling on ebay. 95euro per tail light and 30 per indicator. Not bad considering some prices i got to make a mould were over 10k :Doh: I'm just waiting on an email to see how they've designed the back of these to fit their frames. Heres hoping they've changed the whole lip thing for a few tabs so that they will just clip straight in! I doubt it though.. :pray:

http://www.mbclassics.de/index.php?a=4363

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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 11:25 am

That looks very interesting Harry, let us know how they fit.

I will order a pair as well, but wait for your verdict :)

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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 7:44 pm

I don't advise waiting for my verdict Bart, I'm quite a while off getting to the tail light stage. Trying to concentrate on body/ running gear still. Lights should be coming near the end of the resto hopefully.
I did find out from the suppliers that the lip on the original lenses is the result of the manufacturing process- the lenses were fitted to the frames with high temperature. The lenses they sell apparently don't have this lip and they recommend using an aquarium silicone to ensure a watertight fit. I think they must basically glue onto the front of your chrome frame.

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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by Marrs » Sun 22 Sep, 2013 10:02 am

harryskater_220 wrote:Don't know if anybody has come across this website for replacement lenses but at least it's cheaper than Mr Fiat or whoever was selling on ebay. 95euro per tail light and 30 per indicator. Not bad considering some prices i got to make a mould were over 10k :Doh: I'm just waiting on an email to see how they've designed the back of these to fit their frames. Heres hoping they've changed the whole lip thing for a few tabs so that they will just clip straight in! I doubt it though.. :pray:

http://www.mbclassics.de/index.php?a=4363
Those lenses look flat, with no curved end section like the coupes require? Very odd indeed. I'd be curious what the real thing looks like. Also, most do not compensate for shrinkage in the materials as they use a standard lens for the master, thus the poor fit on almost all aftermarket lenses. Maybe these are better than they appear, here's to hoping!
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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by drew56cus » Sun 22 Sep, 2013 5:48 pm

These are lenses for the humble old sedans Marrs, not the coupes.
Harry, I have cut old lenses out of my sets a few times and siliconed in better ones. Easy.
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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 08 May, 2015 1:02 pm

harryskater_220 wrote:I don't advise waiting for my verdict Bart, I'm quite a while off getting to the tail light stage. Trying to concentrate on body/ running gear still. Lights should be coming near the end of the resto hopefully.
I did find out from the suppliers that the lip on the original lenses is the result of the manufacturing process- the lenses were fitted to the frames with high temperature. The lenses they sell apparently don't have this lip and they recommend using an aquarium silicone to ensure a watertight fit. I think they must basically glue onto the front of your chrome frame.
Did you ever get and mount those lenses Harry?

MBClassic told me they will be in stock soon. Meanwhile I ordered and received some indicator replacements from them.

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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by harryskater_220 » Fri 08 May, 2015 8:50 pm

Yeah Bart i got them but waiting for the surrounds to come back from the chrome platers before i can fit the lenses. They are looking sweet though. I'll let you know how they turn out!

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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 09 May, 2015 12:51 pm

So im still dismantling stuff.. and a bit stumped with this one.
Im trying to seperate the two parts of the chrome sides of the front seats.
Ive found the two circlips and removed those but its got this weird thing which looks to be holding it all together too. Any one done this before?

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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 09 May, 2015 12:53 pm

This is what those tail light lenses look like just sitting in the frames Bart. Pretty sweet eh?
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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 11 May, 2015 11:14 am

That looks awesome Harry! Can you get away with red indicators in NZ? I don't think we can here unless the car was imported.
Would you share with us how much the chroming cost you there?

I know chroming in Perth is a very costly business. Was the chrome pitted badly? I know my chromer did not really like the zamak (zinc/alu/magnesium alloy) parts to rechrome ...

But the result is stunning and will make a big impact on your car!

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1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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Re: Tail light lenses

Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 11 May, 2015 11:17 am

harryskater_220 wrote:So im still dismantling stuff.. and a bit stumped with this one.
Im trying to seperate the two parts of the chrome sides of the front seats.
Ive found the two circlips and removed those but its got this weird thing which looks to be holding it all together too. Any one done this before?

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Much hunch is, that the washer in the top photo is a press fit.
Try to pry the washer off. Later on, you might glue it back on with loctite bearing retainer.

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1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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