The Green Beast - or what's left of it

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by 230ew123 » Mon 26 Feb, 2018 1:51 pm

awesome, very inspiring, my dad had a finny wish he kept it

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by CraigB » Mon 26 Feb, 2018 6:27 pm

Gee there is a lot that doesn't look good with that one rear panel. Is it the same on a sedan if you could find a donor? Is it short enough to freight without crazy cost if you could source a new one? I reckon it would be worth exploring and then see how much would be quoted to get it all straight and rust free as is. Also with your bare metal it would be good to wipe some metal prep / phosphoric acid over it to stop surface rust. I've only seen it at proper paint suppliers, but one bottle will last your whole project and really easy to apply - wipe on and wash off and then it leaves this coating that you don't need to remove - can work the metal etc. and then wipe on some more at the end of the day. Just keeps this phosphate coating on there at all times and stops any risks of paint issues later.
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 26 Feb, 2018 7:58 pm

Phosphoric acid is available at Bunnings. I restore rusty fasteners that are hard to get by leaving them submerged in the acid, then bring the fasteners to the platers.

Nope, a Finny sedan rear panel is quite different. Taillights are much smaller on a Coupe.

I reckon a W108 rear panel comes closer....


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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by 230ew123 » Mon 26 Feb, 2018 10:51 pm

how much does it cost get bolts plated? Zinc I presume? What sort quantity do they prefer?

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Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 27 Feb, 2018 10:48 am

For zinc plating:

It goes per kg. You can mix and match smaller and larger pieces. But I paid about 15 dollars per kg I think.
This was with a yellow finish, which is an additional process.

They do an acid etch before the plating process.

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Tue 27 Feb, 2018 12:46 pm

I know what you mean Craig, I keep looking at it and wondering if a good panel beater could repair the existing and if he spent a week fixing it up that might cost less than a new part. I might even consider welding in a whole panel myself;

New parts exist:

http://www.oldtimerservice-vornhagen.de ... ::871.html

The price is the price, but I've tried this with the boot floor and the size of it means DHL wont ship it and it all stops at that point. I've found others in America too, but the price there including shipping was near $5k, and for that price I might as well get a decent body man to spend some time on it.

Might have to fly back to Germany and help Thomas with his ute and pick up a few parts for the trip home!!!
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 27 Feb, 2018 1:17 pm

What I have done with sills, is cut them in half for shipment and then weld them together on the other side.
Works fine, if you use those 1mm thick cutting discs.

It can be done, but you need to weld carefully. To your advantage, finnie steel is quite thick...

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Tue 27 Feb, 2018 2:37 pm

Craig, I've got a big tub of this stuff, I'm assuming it's the same
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by CraigB » Tue 27 Feb, 2018 7:03 pm

yes good point - I think it says you can treat panels and leave it as a coating for a certain amount of time... from memory. I imagine at least as long as the phosphoric acid. Mind you, i bet the phosphoric is a lot cheaper but I wouldn't use that under a KBS paint or use on proper rust like you would use rustblaster - would only use as treatment on unrusted to seal it.
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Wed 28 Feb, 2018 12:32 pm

I neglected to take a photo, but the fuel flap cover bit is completely knackered. It had rusted through at some stage and was completely filled with bog. I was picking it back to see if I could patch it up and use it again, but it's too far gone.

I've got a feeling a w108 is the same?? can anyone confirm that?

below is a photo from ebay of one that looks identical, it has the hole at the top to allow you to open it - I think sedan ones are different??
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1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 28 Feb, 2018 1:57 pm

Can you send us a picture of your existing fuel flap?

I am pretty sure we can sandblast it, and then close the holes by either welding/leading or brazing.

I might even have a go at it for you (if you pay shipping to and from Perth)
We have a blasting cabinet at work I can use, and then I will submerge it in phosphoric acid.

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Thu 01 Mar, 2018 11:58 am

Thanks for the offer bart, I'll get a photo tonight.

It's not the main plate that's a concern, although it's holier than a church choir, it's the internal strengthening part that is spot welded in at the top and seam folded in a the bottom, it's all rusted out.

It will make sense in the photo when I post it.

I think I can confirm that the part number is the same for w111 coupe and w108 sedans - A111 750 5606, so I might as the forum if anyone has a good condition w108 fuel door that they want to part with, that would save a lot of head scratching and fabrication.

There are a few on ebay from Germany also, various conditions and prices as always.
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1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Mon 05 Mar, 2018 9:32 am

Hey Bart,

Here's the photos of my fuel door, the whole bottom half is a bit rusty, metal very thin and all bent out of shape, I'm saying it's not really salvageable. I'm happy to weld rusty metal but in this case I think another one is in order.
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1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Mon 05 Mar, 2018 9:37 am

Here's few photos from the weekend, have now stripped the rear three quarter panel and door from the passenger side, door is in reasonable shape, but the rear three quarter has been in the wars, lots of ripples in the panels and a lot a large patches.

Have started on the roof too, so far so good, a couple of minor dents to be pushed out and a bit of rust at the rear edge, all fixable. I'll finish up the roof this week and then onto the bonnet and engine bay.
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1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 06 Mar, 2018 3:08 pm

eddie wrote:
Mon 05 Mar, 2018 9:32 am
Hey Bart,

Here's the photos of my fuel door, the whole bottom half is a bit rusty, metal very thin and all bent out of shape, I'm saying it's not really salvageable. I'm happy to weld rusty metal but in this case I think another one is in order.
I see what you mean. It is double walled.

Anything can be repaired but if a W108 piece fits than that should be the obvious solution.


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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Wed 14 Mar, 2018 8:38 am

The stripping of the green continues. I figured everyone has their favourite 'did you see how thick that body filler was?' story, so here's mine, the front fender has been cut and shut at some point and left very low, the shape being made up by nearly 10mm of body filler. I've finished the roof too, but didn't get a photo. The roof is in ok shape, a couple of dents where it looks like something was stored on top of it at some stage.

I've started on the engine bay too, uncovered a bit more rust that I missed first time round, so will need to break out the welder again soon.

Getting there.
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1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by Lance » Wed 14 Mar, 2018 6:25 pm

More work in getting that bog looking good than doing it properly in the first place.
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by sebada » Tue 01 May, 2018 2:37 am

eddie wrote:
Sun 28 Jan, 2018 8:38 pm
Hey Sebastian,

My tail panel has been repaired in the past - looks like accident damage. It’s not in great condition. I have seen them for sale at about 1800 euros, plus shipping, I can find the website if you’re interested. Shipping out of Germany for such a large piece is also difficult.


I have managed to get the passenger side floor in, just working on repairing the cross support boxes at the moment. Hoping to have them completed next weekend
Thanks Eddie for the info. Unfortunately 1800 + shipping is way out of my budget. I will have to manage how to fix, it is a lot worse than yours.

We'll see..

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Thu 03 May, 2018 11:18 am

Hi Sebastian

I know what you mean, the costs for spares on the w111 far outweighs the pagodas and other Mercedes except for the Gullwings in my opinion!!!

Keep at it!!

Little update. I stripped the bonnet the other day, few small rust spots, but generally pretty good. This time I did as per CraigB's suggestion and wiped down with the phosphoric acid, so will be interesting to see how it goes. I've noticed the panels I've stripped earlier are starting to get a brown/red sheen on them, so I will have to revisit them. The acid process was quick so no big deal.

I'm currently tidying up the engine bay. Will post a picture or two soon.
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1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Post by Mercmad » Sat 05 May, 2018 1:15 pm

Phosphoric acid is used by cow cockies (dairy farmers) for cleaning their milking plant . That means you can buy 25 liters for around $70 from farm supply places . Mix it with water about 6-1 ad it works great as a rust convertor and metal prep.

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Post by sebada » Fri 11 May, 2018 3:40 am

Great tip Mercmad !!

Big progress on the coupe, keep the updates coming !!

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by sebada » Wed 24 Oct, 2018 1:38 am

Hi eddie, how is your project going ?. Have you spent some time on the car restoration ?.

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Wed 24 Oct, 2018 12:50 pm

Hi Sebastian

The project has come to a it of a halt. I have finished all the floor work, and bought some new panels for the rear of the car. I was hoping to hand it over to a body shop at this point as there are more skills involved than I possess.

I've had real trouble finding a body shop that is interested in taking the work. Most try to put me off or at least ask to ring back in 3-6 months.

I'm open to any recommendations in South Australia

I've tried Adelaide Hills Panel, Edwardstown Motor Bodies and Classic Car Restorations in Longwood. I've sent them all emails and photos and had multiple phone calls but no interest to date. I think I need to take the car with me and dump it on their door!!!

Having said all that, I need to get the rear axle back in before it can be moved anyway, so I do need to get back into the shed and finish off some bits and pieces.
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1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by CraigB » Wed 24 Oct, 2018 1:06 pm

I have to call in to the one of those that I know so I will have a chat and put a good word in for you. Mind you the reason i am going there is that I had a small but tricky dent in this Morris bumper panel that I had dropped off with other parts to have the one dent and quick clean up of others and then get matched in 2 pack to another already painted panel i dropped off....... dropped off well before my stroke and still sitting there. I didn't put an urgent time limit on it but I have been in a number of times lately hinting that it is getting close to finished and need it..... so i am going to pick it up and do myself. I think he has so many long held friendships with clients with a constant flow of work - plus every time there is a race meet there seems to be a line up of GT3 porsche race cars and its just hard to get a look in - the place is always busting at the seams with cars. I have another contact though I might sound out.... just can't remember his name right now but know how to track him down i think.
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 24 Oct, 2018 2:25 pm

Beware of these shops.

Yesterday I spend a few hours with a Mercedes Specialist in the Jandakot area.
He has been around the block many times and is at an age many would have retired but I guess he likes what he does.

He showed me a W107 on his hoist that had rot removed in the firewall. It had been blasted completely (a 3k job) and repainted underneath.
It looked like a pretty average weld job. No mechanicals had been touched yet.

But the owner already sank 60k into this car!!!!! No upholstery touched, still needed a respray on top, still needed the engine to be done.
They managed do damage his dashboard with something hot as well....

This is a Perth mob, so you will not likely use them. But man, I wonder what their hourly rate is....

I will do it myself, so I can only blame myself.


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2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by CraigB » Wed 24 Oct, 2018 2:39 pm

Yep that does sound excessive - They may have put that many hours into it and $150/hr, but I don't think they have been working very effectively!Its interesting with the Morris I am doing for someone - quote was $45k from a place called Finch Restorations, but body was already completely done and painted but still sitting on a rotisserie with mechanicals all dimantled. And on a car that could only be worth $25k on a good day and with good money already spent. That seemed excessive but given the car was in pieces and recording my hours in finding parts and pulling it all back together, it doesn't seem quite so bad now given their $150/hour or so (from memory). Lucky for the owner i don't charge anywhere near that and the research and part chasing I do as a bit of interest. But its this sort of thing that makes me want to 'jump down peoples throats' when a really good 'nothing to do' car is offered for sale and people say 'tell him he's dreamin'. Put a minimum salary hourly rate on getting cars to a decent standard and these cars should be worth a lot more.
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by sebada » Fri 26 Oct, 2018 12:35 am

eddie wrote:
Wed 24 Oct, 2018 12:50 pm
Hi Sebastian

The project has come to a it of a halt. I have finished all the floor work, and bought some new panels for the rear of the car. I was hoping to hand it over to a body shop at this point as there are more skills involved than I possess.

I've had real trouble finding a body shop that is interested in taking the work. Most try to put me off or at least ask to ring back in 3-6 months.

I'm open to any recommendations in South Australia

I've tried Adelaide Hills Panel, Edwardstown Motor Bodies and Classic Car Restorations in Longwood. I've sent them all emails and photos and had multiple phone calls but no interest to date. I think I need to take the car with me and dump it on their door!!!

Having said all that, I need to get the rear axle back in before it can be moved anyway, so I do need to get back into the shed and finish off some bits and pieces.
Eddie, if you have gone so far with the repairs I guess you have got enough skills to finish the project. And you got those rear panels too, which will save you a lot of work. Based on my experience, I would never send my car to a shop that do not want to do the work.

Hope you solve these issues.

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Fri 26 Oct, 2018 3:59 pm

Thanks Sebastian, but the floor is hidden away. The external panels are very visible. If all else fails I might. Have to learn some new skills and move forward, but I don’t have the ability to do body work or paint, so it’s a fair step up.

Thanks Craig, if you could put in a good word that would be great. Now that I think about it I’m not sure if I emailed photos to the Edwardstown place, but I went there and met the owner face to face. Is this Rom’s shop?? It wasn’t him that I met?? The guy was pleasant enough but very non committal to anything.

I need to make the make the effort to put the axle back in, then I’ve got options to move it somewhere else
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by edenning » Fri 26 Oct, 2018 5:24 pm

Hi there, have you rung Meadows Panelworx Crash Repairs, he did a great job on a colleagues husbands Orange Torana.
Worth a call, he a young bloke doing good quality work building up his business.
cheers Evan

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Sat 27 Oct, 2018 9:56 pm

Thanks Evan, I will get in touch with Meadows chap and see if he can help out

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1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Mon 29 Oct, 2018 5:58 pm

So, I got in touch with Meadows Panelworx. Rick came out after work to have a look at the car. Really nice guy. He’s the paint man and he uses contractors that he knows for body work. He gave me an estimate that he said was realistic which was 1.5 x what I had in my head, no great surprises there. But he’s available and keen given his business is relatively new. So if I can get my back axle back in the next 2-3 weeks he might be able to take it straight away.

I may need some help to get this axle back in, I had major issues getting it out by myself. And I need to do a bit of seam sealing and undercoat painting to enable the axle to go in and not have to come back out in the future.

So this might be the next step! Importantly because he doesn’t have a huge order book the car would get a fair bit of attention and finished in a reasonable timeframe.

I’ll let you know how this goes.
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by T-Modell » Mon 29 Oct, 2018 6:21 pm

Hi,
that's good news ... so March is the first test drive? :laughing6: ... your last W111 drive was in May 2017 ...

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Post by CraigB » Mon 29 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm

Sounds great and a rare opportunity to find someone not 'oversubscribed'. Let me know if you want a hand with axle - one of those jobs easier with more than one. I have wheel dollies and various trolley jacks that might help. Keep meaning to pop in when driving past but never seems the right time for whatever reason... finally see the other German.
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by edenning » Tue 30 Oct, 2018 8:37 am

That's great news Justin. Let me know if you need a third pair of hands with the rear axle, Craig might not be as strong as he used to be. cheers Evan

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Post by eddie » Tue 30 Oct, 2018 11:00 am

Thanks for the offers Craig and Evan, will likely need to take you up on it.

I will head to the paint supply shops this week and at least progress the sealing everything up bit so that's out of the way and let you know when this could happen.

Funny you say that Craig, I was riding bikes in Belair Park last weekend and went past your place thinking we were supposed to catch up!!

Thanks Thomas, last ride in a W111 was very memorable - a true highlight of our trip to Europe - as well as bring a boot floor through airport checkins! March test drive is fine, do you mean 2020 or 2021? :think:
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Tue 30 Oct, 2018 11:05 am

Just as an update on the phosphoric acid exercise I applied to the bonnet (but no where else) the bonnet is still completely rust free, whereas the other panels now all have surface rust appearing. So it works well. Risk suggested getting the remaining panels blasted in some fashion and having an epoxy coat applied straight away. So that's my fault for no sealing the panels when I should have. Live and learn. On the positive side though it allowed Rick to view the whole car warts and all and could give far more appreciation for the work required. We were able to discuss fine detail on level of detail I'm looking for within my budget.

Anyways, will be good to get it all moving again. I got a fast car that you can't drive fast anywhere, really want a slow old car that can never go fast!!
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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Post by CraigB » Tue 30 Oct, 2018 12:12 pm

I know the blasting and epoxy is popular but on this Morris an enormous amount of time went into fixing all the distortion that this created and it still doesn't fit great - $10k in bodywork and paint and I still can't get stuff to align like it should. I'm not saying the right operator might be able to blast enough to get the panels clean without distortion but personally, having used other methods stripping and paint still good, its not something I would do. If you are valuing time then it is probably the fastest - or dipping but that is expensive (approx $3k for a car) and that can have its own issues.

For the panels not done, with a bit of time to spare before they start work, I would get in there with the acid solution and steel wool or possibly scourer and give it a good rub. Usually this will clean it all up. Also getting to the right weather to make sure things are all dried out. I think the main issue is where moisture is trapped under the paint and even 5 or 10 yrs later can come out as tiny pimples.... like on my Alfa - that i didn't paint. I showed it to an experienced paint guy and this is what he guessed was the problem - panels left, then sanded and painted but deep in the pores a bit of moisture. I'm thinking if things a dry, maybe leave panels in the sun and then do the acid.

Anyway, that's just a brain dump of the thoughts that ran through my head as to what I might try.
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 30 Oct, 2018 1:35 pm

Don't use steel wool with the phosphoric acid!!!!

That will leave particles of steel and make it rust even harder.

Use a new scourer pad, like scotchbrite, with a bit of Phosphoric acid. The surface rust will wipe straight off!


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Post by eddie » Tue 30 Oct, 2018 2:22 pm

I have concerns about blasting too, not least because I've done all the sills and internal box frames etc and don't want to be uncovering media for the next few years! Not least, from what I've read elsewhere the warping of panels is very real.

This chap seems fairly easy to discuss options with. Maybe soda in lieu of a sand???

I might try the scourer and acid on the weekend just for curiosity. The bonnet actually looks as good as the day I did it, so there's something to be said for the acid treatment.
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1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Post by eddie » Tue 30 Oct, 2018 2:25 pm

Evan

Before I commit to this properly, is there any chance you could ask your colleague for more feedback on the Torana work that was finished recently, good and back points, things they would do differently, how was dealing with Rick etc etc

Just to give a bit more comfort this will all work out in the end.
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Post by edenning » Wed 31 Oct, 2018 1:20 pm

Justin, his wife is working with me today, I'll let her reply now if she can. I might be able to PM you his contact details if needed.

hi there, Rick was amazing in every aspect. We took a long time looking for the right person and a price we could afford. The restoration went smoothly and rick kept us well updated along the way. We wouldn't change a thing and would most certainly use him again!
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Post by eddie » Wed 31 Oct, 2018 2:50 pm

I'll take that as a glowing endorsement.

Thanks Evan, and colleague!

I'll keep moving with Rick on the back of that
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
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Re: The Green Beast - or what's left of it

Post by eddie » Tue 06 Nov, 2018 5:02 pm

Hi All

Rick from Meadow's panel works has been in touch and would like to take the car on Monday 12/11/18. I've told him this is possible but relies on a few things, not least is whether Evan and Craig area available to assist.

Besides the axle I need to finish painting and body shutz in the area of the trailing arm (after work this week) before installing the axle on Sunday (I can't do Saturday due to family commitments). Are you guys available on the weekend complete with additional jacks and axle stands? I've told Rick that if this isn't possible I will let him know and we'll put the whole thing off until late November.

I have a couple of items to finish getting it prepared for him to take and I need some advice. I always get stuck at these points as i'm never sure if I'm doing too much (unlikely) or too little (more likely) before moving on to the next step. In the photos below from the underside of the car you can see exposed seam between floor and old transmission tunnel as well as ground off plug welds. I was going to do the following

1. leave the black e-coat as is and apply the body shutz directly to it (does it need any other preparation?)
2. clean the exposed metal and apply either KBS chassis paint or paint on etch primer or spray on rattle can epoxy primer (I have some of all available at the moment
3. apply the seam sealer over the top of 2.
4. apply the body shutz over the top of 3.
5. try to do all of the above in a single day due to some of the products having a limited time for overcoating (KBS in particular)

This would only be in the areas surrounding the trailing arm, the rest of the floor could be completed later on.

Am I on the right track with this? Especially point 2.

All the best
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1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 06 Nov, 2018 6:20 pm

Always key the black shop primer, with 400 grit. Then wash with thinners or prepwash.

The bare patches can be covered with a rattle can of primer/surfacer (I like the SCA brand, it works nice) for a bit of extra protection.

And take the stickers off first with a razor blade...


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Post by CraigB » Tue 06 Nov, 2018 6:55 pm

that sounds good Bart. KBS - in my head where that stuff is useful/important is where it is crucial to create this impenetrable seal so moisture doesn't get in there.... so for say the top of a bootlid where it is painted and water runs off you wouldn't bother with the effort but say a chassis member or gutter where water sits or somewhere that might get stone chipped through paint then maybe it is worth the effort. It has to be cleaned right to bond right and moisture can say get in from back etc. then you might not be sealing off the metal you want to. Does that make sense? I can' quite picture what that is, but if it doesn't fit into that category of really needing to seal off to prevent future rust then I would just use your other primer option and process as you described.

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Post by eddie » Tue 06 Nov, 2018 7:56 pm

Thanks for the advice once again guys.

Geez Craig, that’s one busy weekend! Don’t come over after all that lot, go home and put your feet up!!

I’m starting to think I’ll take Friday (maybe even Thursday - need to talk to the boss man) off work so perhaps that’s a good day to catch up and at least talk through a plan out loud.

Will be in touch later in the week.
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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Post by edenning » Tue 06 Nov, 2018 9:04 pm

I'm free all day Sunday Justin, and I can bring extra trolley jacks, platform trolley and axle stands if needed.
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Post by CraigB » Wed 07 Nov, 2018 10:12 am

Sounds good Justin - even if i can help to assess and put our minds together on best path for the prep and then i am sure you and Evan will get the rear end in easy and sounds like Evan has plenty of gear. The main thing is just watching you keep it fairly flat while lifting into place before your shocks and everything put limits on travel and bending the central joint - As i understand it. From memory you want to be lifting centre while compressing the two road springs by jacking the arms up until you can connect shocks and limit travel, then get the centre in place. You might want to check a manual though.
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Post by eddie » Wed 07 Nov, 2018 4:48 pm

Big Thanks to you both.

I'll be working on the car Friday, taking the day off to get the paint and shutz on, so any input Friday would be welcomed.

Evan,

I'll let you know how everything goes on Friday to confirm once and for all that it's on for Sunday.

I better let Rick know that it's looking likely that monday is a goer!! - famous last words!
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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Post by eddie » Sat 10 Nov, 2018 9:53 am

Hi all
While I’ve got the fuel tank out of the car, has anyone had their tank restored in Adelaide and could recommend a shop that does this kind of work. I guess the Mercedes tank is a bit different to the norm with the swirl pot and what not?

All the best
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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