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Post by paulietucko » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 2:22 pm

Hi, I'm new to this forum but I'm hoping the members here can help. I'm the owner of a 1963 300Se coupe that has gone missing. To cut a long saga (relatively) short it was left with a mechanic in Research in Melbourne who was locked out of the workshop by the landlord and subsequently stopped trading. Unknown to me at the time the landlord made little if any effort to track down the owners of about 5 or 6 cars still on the premises before selling the whole lot to a German car wrecker in Laverton for a very modest amount. The coupe was on-sold by the wrecker as he was unloading it...again for a fraction of the value of the car. To further complicate things the original, rare and expensive Dunlop brake calipers were removed for repair and sent on a seperate journey by the landlord to a scrap merchant! The police have been involved but have yet to recover the vehicle. Naturally its on the stolen vehicle register.

So here's the thing. Although both the wrecker and the current possessor of the car claim to have bought it in good faith both have been aware of the cars stolen status for many weeks. The wrecker has been cooperative but does not have any details of the person he sold it to apart from a seemingly fake name. The police have advised me that as the person who has the car knows that it is stolen they are now committing a crime.

The car is quite distinctive. It has a charcoal exterior (originally tobacco) and a parchment interior with sheepskin seat covers. The dash top is a distinctive contrasting red. The body is straight and rust free. It drives but needs roadworthy which is why it was originally at the mechanics.

More details & photos on the car are here: http://www.mbspares.com.au/Registry/Mer ... 02859.aspx

The car is way too good and original to be used for parts and it cannot be registered as the Vin is on the stolen register. Any tips leading to the vehicles recovery would be greatly appreciated and I'm willing to offer a reward. The person currently in possession may well be a member of this forum. If they would like to come forward we can sort something out - no questions asked - but frankly I'm not interested in buying the car twice. Note that I cannot claim on insurance without the insurance company becoming the owner when it is recovered which would give me no rights to the vehicle.

Messy situation. The car deserves a better fate. Any help ot tip offs would be much appreciated!

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Post by pastelgrey300D » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 3:52 pm

I wish we could welcome you to ozbenz in better circumstances. Good luck and I hope santa finds you... I'm sure everyone on here will keep an eye out.
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Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 4:18 pm

This is shocking news, especially so close to Christmas.

I hope you get the car back and everything ends well for you...

You could contact Chris Stewart on bikesncars@optusnet.com who is a vintage Mercedes wrecker in Melbourne and knows many people in the local scene.


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Post by CraigB » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 6:10 pm

Unfortunately it is not uncommon to hear stories like this where people have this narrow view of personal gain and at no point do that "how would i feel in this situation" test. Something i try to drum into my boys on what seems like a daily basis - its a great way to sort through your decision making. The landlord could have thought - what if that was my car in there, those people didn't do anything wrong here - wrecker who deals with cars and car people etc...

Long story, but i learnt that basic rule - to sell your car the landlord and the wrecker had to have legal 'title' i think they call it. Doesn't matter how much good faith, that legal title is still yours. In good faith they are not committing a crime as such i think, as i hadn't been in trouble, but they do not own the vehicle and my only action was against the seller of the vehicle. But it even sounds like they knew the situation. Have you thought of getting legal letters written to both the landlord and the wrecker. Sounds like two angles here, one that they have committed a crime possibly, but police unlikely to pursue i guess but certainly that they are liable for their part in the loss of your car. I'm no lawyer, but this was along the lines of advice i had, but my action would have been taken against a loser with no money who may or may not have 'stolen' this trailer from his brother while he was in jail! But a landlord and a wrecker seem like much better targets to me. Letter wont cost that much and might change their mood of cooperation. I don't buy that the wrecker knows nothing about who he sold it to - maybe I have just become an untrusting soul!

i have had so many bad experiences and it just seems to be getting worse or more frequent and i am completely losing faith in people - although on here you still find those people who would do anything for anyone. Someone known to pretty much everyone here advertised a 107 grille on ebay with one very dodgy taken from afar photo. I sent off a message, not realising the seller name was this person and asked for more photos to demonstrate condition - pointing out that rechroming mine was less expensive than buying a dented one that i then had to knock dents out of and then rechrome anyway, but i was looking for one with a good rim, didn't matter about the rest. When i realised who it was and they said it was good i completed the transaction. Grille arrives and small dent right on that top very obvious point and considerable denting on the sides - completely useless to me and in my opinion not resellable. So i tried to send photos and asking if there could be some mistake but the email would not go through for some reason so i sent a message via ebay to ask if the email was still the right one - the message came back abruptly that if there was a problem call him, and so i did twice leaving messages and have never had a call back. So if for example that person has your car i would have absolutely no faith they would come forward, because if they would risk reputation over something as piddly as a grille, they certainly wouldn't own up over as many parts as they can shift off your car. Your hope is that people who may have picked up parts for such a car recently can let you know individually and if you can recognise those parts you could send the police to those premises or better still if you have any bikie mates!

You don't want others to suffer the same fate but i also traded off the risks to my wider family of proof / defamation etc. - my small losses is just not worth it. But i have photos, emails etc to back up everything i have said here.

And then currently on 'the inernet' (hope that is loose enough) - there is a car being wrecked - the seller some time ago advertised a 'perfect' W126 coupe rear screen - rang him particularly asking about delamination, describing what it was, where it is and he said ' i know what delamination is and this amazingly has none. So at not inconsiderable expense i had it transported via ralph moore glass but the deal was is they would sit on it in their warehouse until they had a full 'container' to their distributor in Adelaide where i could pick it up from and this took long enough to be outside of the ebay feedback opportunity. It arrives and of course is delaminated, so not only the loss on the purchase but insult to injury the freight. I would have appreciated a call from Ralph Moore the windscreen specialist along the lines of "hey mate - you know that screen, before you incur the costs of transport did you realise it is delaminated - not their job sure, but if you apply the "How would i feel in this situation" i would have been eternally grateful and would have had half a chance of the bad dood in all this not being the 'winner'! I of course rang the seller - "wasn't like that when it left here" - suggesting Ralph Moore switched it - what do you do.

If i had the chance to rip off either of these people back, i wouldn't think twice about it - I just wouldn't do it. If i had the chance to destroy their reputation on one dealing - who knows their personal situation was at the time - have resisted attempting that too. But this world could be a whole lot better place if we could get away from that personal gain over others losses etc.

Maybe inspired to have this whinge - yesterday in a hurry doing something medical that should be all fine - but heard my name called from the carpark - acquaintance with her elderly mum - lost her keys earlier, used her spare but wasnt' cut well and was stuck in ignition and wouldn't lock doors - I got it out and got her mobile at least - thought about it when i went home that the key felt chunky and didn't seem to go in door lock deep enough - rang acquaintance and just back now from travelling to her mums house, filing down the sides of the keys and getting it to work for her...... and i bet i feel a whole lot better now than if i had a few hundred bucks in my pocket that i had ripped off someone.

Anyway Merry Xmas - sorry for long post but i really felt for you and particularly at this time of 'goodwill to all' - just don't bottle it all up and get you down like i often do - I am sure it will give you cancer!!
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Post by T-Modell » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 6:56 pm

Sorry to hear about that, especially those weird circumstances. Here in Germany they already steal W124's off the street to sell spare parts, so it's double annoying to loose a W111 like this.

I do hope for you that the police is helping you. Merry xmas anyway, as long as you are healthy, be happy ... the W111 is still only a pile of metal.

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Post by kimrh » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 8:01 pm

That sucks big time!!!
I hope the car is tracked down soon
It would be worth taking that story to the press for more exposure and to make it harder to be re-birthed.
Keep a close eye out on Gumtree for a whole sale or for a sudden upsurge in parts
The damn mechanic and the landlord are both at fault here as the Landlord would have known the cars were not the mechanics but his clients cars, and the mechanic should have informed you straight away before the Landlord had a chance to offload them.
The Landlord has committed a crime for selling property that he has no legal right to. I bet he moved those cars quick before he was legally stopped.
I would be suing him personally the mongrel.
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Post by Djenka018 » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 9:17 pm

IMO, this started with a mechanic that did not protect customer's property (aka give-a-damn factor = 0)
Lockout does not occur suddenly, it takes weeks or months of insolvency before landlords acts

I am probably a black sheep here, but I would go after mechanic and made sure he used straw for the remainder of his life.


Perhaps this should be a reminder for all of us to have tracking device built in.
Being uncommon in this country, thieves are unlikely to look for it.
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Post by konrad » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 9:19 pm

Go and see a solicitor. Initial interview shouldn't cost more than a couple of hundred dollars.
That landlord owes you compensation for the value of the lost car.
Abandoned property doesn't automatically, immediately become the property of the party in possession.
Reckon that landlord is in the poo poo.

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Post by konrad » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 9:21 pm

Forget the mechanic. He's gone "belly up" and may not have any assets as well as being mobile.
The landlord on the other hand does has assets which are hard to hide.

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Post by T-Modell » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 9:22 pm

How is it in Australia? Here in German law, you can never own a stolen good (you can posess it). If you buy something here in good belief and it turns out to be stolen, you have to give it back to the legal owner. The only thing left then is to try to get your money back from the seller.

I know the British laws are pretty different to ours, but if this case is the same and you can prove the ownership of this car, it should be "easy".

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Post by tips » Thu 24 Dec, 2015 9:53 pm

T-Modell wrote:How is it in Australia? Here in German law, you can never own a stolen good (you can posess it). If you buy something here in good belief and it turns out to be stolen, you have to give it back to the legal owner. The only thing left then is to try to get your money back from the seller.

I know the British laws are pretty different to ours, but if this case is the same and you can prove the ownership of this car, it should be "easy".

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Same here Thomas, I believe the last person in the chain has to hand over the goods and start the recovery process. It's one of the benefits of buying off a licensed dealer here, whilst you often pay more they protect you if it's a stolen or written off car.
Paul, Hope you get a good lead on the car and have it back in your possession soon.
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Post by CraigB » Fri 25 Dec, 2015 6:29 am

Yes i probably didn't describe it well but my legal advice was exactly as you say Thomas. I suspect this is 'common law' which i think is universal - only statute law being written differently in different countries/states. So for whoever the 'false name' is that the German wrecker says he doesn't know, he has every thing to gain by rebirthing etc, but risks in doing so when crossing the line of "I innocently bought this and have no knowledge of the story behind it" , so i think getting the word out is important because the more notice out there, the less convincing their argument is that they acted in good faith at all times. With a rare car like this i am having trouble with the concept that the wrecker just sold it randomly to someone who he doesn't know and has given a false name - and then i am not sure from original message how they both know it is stolen but can't find car? If you have been a long term German car wrecker, you will know these cars don't just appear like this, you would think would know laws about proving title etc and I would "put it to them" as they say in the legal trade that they knew it was dodgy and moved it on asap to pick up some cash. But who do you move something like that onto quickly, false name etc etc - I think he knows exactly who it is and that person knows the model they have etc etc...... I just hope they are not frantically cutting the car up or trying to replace sections to rebirth it. But then they are clearly crossing a line into criminal activity with nothing to fall back on re 'good faith'. And i also know that the police have extensive knowledge and methods of proving rebirth etc. because some years ago i employed an investigator into our team who was a retired police officer in SA who was responsible for bringing the Falconio murderer to justice through research into rebirthing and was still lecturing around the world on the topic. At that time i was working in the area of illegal clearance of native vegetation, with in my opinion grossly inadequate penalties for those deliberately doing the wrong thing, one developer pointing out to me in very clear terms how much of his development budget it was. The only catch they miss is that it is a 'criminal offence' and if proven they have a criminal record that has all sorts of implications. So if anybody reads this and knows about whats going on, i would pass on to the holder of the car the suggestion of getting legal advice as to potential scenarios if they own up or hide this car. Anyway it would make my day for some justice to happen here.

Have you presented this story to all the Benz car clubs? I am sure Pastel would publish it in the SA newsletter.
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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 25 Dec, 2015 6:21 pm

This all smells with the waft of those in the industry not following the regulations and could lead to some interesting legal issues.
I recently had trouble having a vehicle towed which had some very dubious history.
First, a towie cannot recover a vehicle without the exact legal details of ownership.
Second, a wreckers yard cannot accept a vehicle without authenticated verified documents of ownership.
Third, that wreckers yard cannot dispose of the vehicle without notifying the regulatory authorities - this means either crushing the vehicle or on selling it.
Fourth, another wreckers yard or licensed seller cannot purchase or on sell a vehicle without verified owners documents.

These regs were bought out in Victoria to stop the rebirthing and illegal grey import business. - after it was discovered a section of the Roads Traffic Authority employees were mixed up in this business.

Having said that.

We have a very large public/private car park at complex I contract to. Next time you drive into one of those car parks have a look at the terms and conditions which will be displayed near the exits.
If you don't pay your parking bill or don't recover your car after an extensive period we reserve the right to take ownership of the vehicle and sell it to recover costs.
F.W.I.W. you virtually rescind any of your rights to your vehicle once you enter the private/paid car park. Your insurance company may scrub you when parking in a paid public/private car park.

When you leave your car at a mechanics or a stealership you should get a written contract with terms and conditions. A stealership should have them written up and displayed on the wall somewhere. It's probably a common sense approach that if you don't pay your bill you wont get your car back.
Unfortunately many places work on an ad hoc agreement system - the old British honour system and you go to your local mechanic, hand your keys over and expect to get your car back when it's repaired and you pay the bill. Victorian mechanics often have a sign up outside - member V.A.C.C. They are bound by a code of the Victorian Automobile Chamber of Commerce - but so are you.


The landlord in this case may have been entitled to take possession of any or all chattels and assets left behind in a delinquent property. The question is did he have legal possession of the property belonging to others. He was supposed to do due diligence of the property within. e.g.If he had disposed of a vehicle which was under finance he could very well be looking down the barrel of some Q.C.'s working for the finance company. There really should have been a liquidator or administrator involved with this.
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Post by paulietucko » Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:26 am

Hi all thanks for your replies. A couple of things. I have had some legal advice and the landlord is definitely in the wrong. Criminal charges are possible and a civil claim is also a possibility though I'm not so keen on paying lawyers and would only consider that as a last resort.

The person currently in possession has been informed by the wrecker when he came into the wreckers again..but apparently left no contact details. Make of that what you will.

I think it's a matter of time before the car shows up. There are not too many w112 coupes floating around!

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Post by kimrh » Mon 28 Dec, 2015 12:38 pm

Wreckers yards have security cameras inside and outside.
He is covering up and to flip a whole old rare car so quickly he knows exactly who the person is he sold it to.
Try and get a story in the local community papers to that general area as someone would have seen it being trailer-ed to his home (perhaps the neighbours in his street)
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Post by Mercmad » Mon 28 Dec, 2015 9:32 pm

I don't know about Victoria but in Queensland YOU CANNOT SEIZE GOODS in lieu unless you have you have a court order. I am sure I know who the "mechanic " was so there is EFF all chance of gertting anything from him. He's already been raked over the coals for other dodgy deals he did .
So ,as a land lord, you cannot seize goods left in a property until all reasonable steps have been taken to contact the true owners and then seizure must be advertised before disposal.
The landlord is liable for compensation so get VCAT involved tomorrow.
He has acted contrary to the law.

Your lawyer is pretty useless if he hasn't pointed this out .

Next, any goods stolen still belong to the victim of the theft. Again your lawyer hasn't earned his shekels if he hasn't told the police to grab the car wrecker and wring his neck. The wrecker is out of the loop WHEN HE SAYS WHO HAS THE CAR! Until then assume the Wrecker has the car still and has hidden it somewhere. You don't sell a W112 Coupe everyday and you don't sell it to someone whose name you don't know.
All wreckers MUST have written documentation of every single car that passes through their hands. Even the scrappies up here must have proof of where they get cars regardless of cost or condition. And they must retain it. So unless the wrecker has a signed receipt for the car... he still has it.

Theft is a viscious crime but when Lawyers and police cant be buggered getting off their arses to do the work they are employed to do it's gets really annoying.

As for the insurance, you should have put in a claim because insurance adjustor's will hunt down all aspects of a claim if anything dodgy is involved . insurance companies hate handing over money because they are in business to collect it,not give it away willy nilly.
The insurance adjustor's I have dealt with are almost all retired cops and without the restrictions of the police service they can and do tend to dig up all sorts of facts.
I am sure they would have turned up your car in days and if it is still in Australia ,handed it back to you . Insurance companies will let you retrieve a car for a fee or in the case of Shannons,you get it back free.
It's your car. it's about time you fought for it.

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Post by konrad » Mon 28 Dec, 2015 9:54 pm

OK.
Call me cynical but...........
something about this whole deal just doesn't seem quite right.

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Post by CraigB » Tue 29 Dec, 2015 6:50 am

Not exactly sure what you mean Konrad, but maybe this short circuits some stuff - did you see that this car and matter is on MBspares website ? I too might have been wondering conspiracy theories until i saw that and thought if JG has verified all this, knows the guy etc. then that's different - i don't know this guy but do know JG. But that might not be what you meant.

I got the feeling the guy is worried about losing the car to insurance etc - you can get cars back perhaps but what happens if had the car for a while and market price lifted above your insured value - will they want to get that capital value difference by owning and selling car rightfully rather than some fee - does the guy have to compete at auction to buy his car back with only half the value in his hand payout? Just speculating some scenarios here and yes you guessed it i don't like insurance companies generally!

I also hate the lawyers i have had the misfortune to deal with (would love to meet one with ethics one day though - i know they must exist!) and whenever i have tried to remedy something that way it just seems to cost with no result and you really need to add up cost benefit. Wont bore people with long winded examples - but have some shocking ones.
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Post by paulietucko » Tue 29 Dec, 2015 9:43 am

Craig, you are right on a couple of counts. John Green is well aware of this case. John was kind enough to post on the Facebook site on my behalf a while back. Re insurance - it's insured under "laid up insurance" with Shannons. What they have told me is that once they make the payout, if the vehicle is recovered they would then dispose of it through their contracted auctioneer. They may or may not advise me should this happen but would create a "file note" to let me know....which does not inspire me with confidence.

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Post by kimrh » Tue 29 Dec, 2015 10:40 am

Paul how about contacting ABC radio Vic to get a plug on their radio segment and get to speak to top Melb Lawyer David Whiting for some free advice on the legal perspective as to the Wrecking yard.
They are totally in the wrong legally and i am sure he would love to here about this seedy sequence of events especially for a rare old Merc coup (that will no doubt prick his ears up in sympathy especially considering you are fighting to get the car back and not just a payout)
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Post by konrad » Tue 29 Dec, 2015 11:45 am

CraigB wrote: I also hate the lawyers i have had the misfortune to deal with (would love to meet one with ethics one day though - i know they must exist!) .
I know of one. My daughter, a criminal lawyer who will not represent serious sex offenders, drug dealers or bikies and who acts "pro bono" for environmentalists in trouble.
Arrested at a protest rally at age 15 she decided there and then that ordinary people needed protection from the excesses of the State.
Needless to say she is not rich however she does have a Dad who is very proud of her.

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Post by CraigB » Tue 29 Dec, 2015 12:44 pm

That's great to hear and wealth is a relative term i reckon and depends how you measure it. I do actually know a number of good people with law degrees but while they all started practicing all have got out and used that knowledge in other fields. No doubt they would have maximum dollars to their names if they had beavered away in the jobs they started in, accounting for every second in their day charging it out to whoever they could, take on anyone willing to pay or unwilling but working out ways to keep them going and bringing in the dollars but i think they all consider they have 'richer' lives - sounds like your daughter worked that out early!
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Post by CraigB » Tue 29 Dec, 2015 1:10 pm

And it is probably not a bad time for people to check policies about salvage rights too - it is not automatic with all shannons policies and comes at a cost. - i think it is when it is younger than a certain age. But i see your situation is different and i guess from Shannons angle they are settling up for loss of car and then it could be years later the car turns up - its not like you are both there looking at a wreck. Given the circumstances though it is disappointing a company selling itself as the friend of the 'enthusiast' that they wouldn't at least try and ensure they let you know. But i do also see that situation could be tricky.
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 29 Dec, 2015 5:10 pm

One of my Customers is one of Shannons blokes and has 3 nice mercs too. Most of the people you talk to when phoning them are actual car nuts,that's one of the prerequisites of the job.
I hate insurance companies with a passion actually... having had a realshitfight with QBE and Ing 15 years ago. Just recently I had my roof replaced which took a year and I'm still fighting over various aspects of the work done and the money they owe me.I'm not holding my breath which brings me to another point.
The insurance ombudsman.
before getting too involved with a lawyer contact this office and find out exactly where you stand. Record everything that is said and ask to see codes of practice etc .
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Post by John Green » Wed 13 Jan, 2016 3:33 pm

Do any of you Victorians know if wreckers have to keep a police book? In a draw of my desk are three books with the details of every car that has passed though here in 23 years. Started the third book about 18 months ago. Needless to say a lot of cars. Also have to keep a file on each car with the receipt of purchase and details of disposal for 7 years. Cops actually showed up once, wouldn't tell us what it was about, looked at a particular page on the book and left...
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Post by Mercmad » Sun 17 Jan, 2016 9:03 am

On the subject of record keeping I am sure Vic law requires it,the same as every other state. And that means every car has to be logged. I am rebuilding a write off and every single 2nd hand part must be accounted for,where it came from etc. If I used a donor car I must supply a receipt for that donor car ,and the part numbers of components used off that donor must be also supplied . A wrecker can get into all sorts of trouble if they don't keep records because it shows them in a bad light (chop shop etc etc ) .

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Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 17 Jan, 2016 7:47 pm

John Green wrote:Do any of you Victorians know if wreckers have to keep a police book? In a draw of my desk are three books with the details of every car that has passed though here in 23 years. Started the third book about 18 months ago. Needless to say a lot of cars. Also have to keep a file on each car with the receipt of purchase and details of disposal for 7 years. Cops actually showed up once, wouldn't tell us what it was about, looked at a particular page on the book and left...

From my experience a couple of months ago - Victoria will be the same - it may even be a national thing.
This doesn't mean to say that cash jobs aren't done with denials all around.

A towie I have dealt with would be vary wary about picking up a job from a client without the proper paperwork - especially a classic car.
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Post by paulietucko » Sun 17 Jan, 2016 9:44 pm

Apologies to those who have sent me private messages. I have just found out that as a newbie I'm not authorised to see these until I make a certain number of posts..which I will now do!

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Post by paulietucko » Sun 17 Jan, 2016 9:55 pm

A couple of other details: The wrecker claimed to have asked for a stat dec from the landlord to ensure rightful posession but didn't get one when he picked the cars up.

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Post by paulietucko » Sun 17 Jan, 2016 9:58 pm

...and the wrecker has a signed reciept from the 'sale' to the current 'owner'. The name on that reciept appears to be false however since it does not show up in any searches.

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Post by CraigB » Sun 17 Jan, 2016 10:34 pm

should be no probs with messages now.
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Post by Brehon47 » Thu 03 Mar, 2016 3:05 pm

So ...is there any good news to greet 2016? I have an original fully registered Finnie W111 and would be gutted if it was stolen, irrespective of any insurance. I think I will take the advice of one of the posters above and fit a tracking device. Best of luck. Tiny
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Post by paulietucko » Sun 24 Apr, 2016 12:07 pm

Alas my coupe is still at large. I'm surprised that it has not yet reappeared but I still think this is a matter of time. Does anyone know anything about these types of cars being re-birthed? I would have thought it very unlikely but maybe I am naive.

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Post by tips » Sun 24 Apr, 2016 2:30 pm

Such a narrow market here that anyone that was involved and understands its value wouldn't advertise it. Have you exhausted every avenue with the police, wrecker, landlord and tennant? Maybe taking legal action ie suing the landlord and listing the others as interested parties including the so called wrecker with the dodgy memory might get some action or jog memories. Easier to lie to you than the courts. It's now such a strong international market on coupes and 6.3's that a lot are being sold and shipped to the UK which would be the worst case outcome so agitate as much as possible I would say. :angry5:
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Post by paulietucko » Sun 24 Apr, 2016 4:27 pm

Thanks. No haven't exhausted all options yet. Police haven't completed investigations so it still waiting to see how that plays out. Unfortunately it's messy between all those individuals you listed.

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Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 27 Apr, 2016 6:07 pm

Maybe hiring a Private Investigator is an option? It's probably not high on the Police's priority list....

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Post by Ivanerrol » Wed 27 Apr, 2016 10:30 pm

I agree with Tips regarding the overseas angle.

A friend had a classic jaguar stolen.

The insurance company paid out on it virtually straight away admitting the car would have been packed in a container and on it's way abroad within a week.
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Post by kimrh » Wed 27 Apr, 2016 11:34 pm

Have a read of this - its an eye opener on organised car theft in Australia.
I reckon there are many cars that end up in sea containers heading for the Middle East or Asia
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Post by Mick_Marsh » Thu 09 Jun, 2016 8:38 pm

John Green wrote:Do any of you Victorians know if wreckers have to keep a police book? In a draw of my desk are three books with the details of every car that has passed though here in 23 years. Started the third book about 18 months ago. Needless to say a lot of cars. Also have to keep a file on each car with the receipt of purchase and details of disposal for 7 years. Cops actually showed up once, wouldn't tell us what it was about, looked at a particular page on the book and left...
I took a car to Simmsmetal for crushing. Not mine. Not registered.
I had to supply proof of ownership (old rego papers), a letter from the owner approving disposal, a photocopy of the owners license and my license (they copied). They checked the documentation and the vehicle thoroughly.
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Post by Brehon47 » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:57 pm

So my friend did you sort the mess out and recover your vehicle ? Tiny
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Post by Brehon47 » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 8:08 am

Paul - it seems that your coupe has not been recovered. I followed your original post and the many posts that followed hoping you would post happier news. I have a 1965 Finnie - an old time favourite I first encountered in 1970 in Bourke of all places. I drove a 1963 model, Anthracite grey or similar with the classic rich red B-tex interior. It wasn't mine (and I blew a head gasket before it was returned to its owner) but the experience stayed with me until purchasing a second owner W111 a few years ago. Anyway a reasonably priced 300CE-24 (1990) came over the horizon and I bought it so the Finnie can have some maintenance done. I much prefer it in every respect albeit airconditioning would ensure my wife's presence more often!
Anyway my friend the newly acquired coupe provoked a memory of your own coupe...in fact I swiftly checked that it was a different specification to mine just in case I had bought a stolen car.
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Post by Honey500 » Thu 03 Aug, 2017 11:21 pm

Just read through this thread a sad tale with some very shady characters. In SA I have discovered through the purchase of my w126 that registering an abandoned vehicle is easy but only if it is clean and you have plate details. If yours is listed as stolen then someone trying to register would be picked up....the question is whether there is cross checking if it has gone interstate. I was hoping to see a happy ending to this thread but alas not as yet I assume.
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Post by Tony From West Oz » Fri 04 Aug, 2017 12:06 am

The most likely scenario is that the car was put into a container and sent overseas to a buyer.
Somewhat hard to get the car back from OS, from a buyer who most likely purchased the car in good faith.
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