W111 diff swap

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DEBENZ 108
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W111 diff swap

Post by DEBENZ 108 » Thu 04 Jun, 2015 10:37 am

Have bought myself another project car. Is a 61 220s (well I got 2 actually). It is going to have an engine swap as the two engines are complete but not running. I also have a W108 parts car with 14 inch wheels and disc brakes on the rear. Is that diff a bolt in swap or more fab work required. Car will be on aftermarket air bags so springs are not a concern. For those that are interested this one will be keeping a benz engine unlike my race car. Its going to be running the 5cyl 2.7L common rail diesel and sprint shift auto. I have a donor car (sprinter van) for that too. As I said 2 relatively complete engines/trans up for grabs and the one out of the W108 parts car, 250s from memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5EabtNqG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NccJE6SabY
Turbo's are for diesel's!!
http://www.dieselaustralia.com.au

2006 ML320 cdi W164, My car
2002 ML270 cdi W163, Her car
2002 316cdi Sprinter
1969 280s W108
1968 250s W108 parts car
1970 280se W108 going diesel power!
1962 220s W111 sold
1961 220s W111 sold

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Bartman4800
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Model you own: w111
Location: Perth WA

Re: W111 diff swap

Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 04 Jun, 2015 11:38 am

Where abouts are you?

Yes a rear axle from a W108 will be an easy swap (do not swap the diff but the entire axle). Check/replace the center mount rubber when you got the axle out.
You might have to use the Master brake cylinder from the W108 too to accommodate the rear calipers.
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

DEBENZ 108
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Re: W111 diff swap

Post by DEBENZ 108 » Thu 04 Jun, 2015 12:40 pm

Yes was going to swap entire axle. I am in Brisbane, Capalaba to be precise. We have only just moved house and I am still waiting for my shed to be built so work has not yet commenced on the project. I am just stocking up on part at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5EabtNqG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NccJE6SabY
Turbo's are for diesel's!!
http://www.dieselaustralia.com.au

2006 ML320 cdi W164, My car
2002 ML270 cdi W163, Her car
2002 316cdi Sprinter
1969 280s W108
1968 250s W108 parts car
1970 280se W108 going diesel power!
1962 220s W111 sold
1961 220s W111 sold

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Bartman4800
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Model you own: w111
Location: Perth WA

Re: W111 diff swap

Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 04 Jun, 2015 3:25 pm

Pity you are so far away, would not mind a spare engine...

Keep us posted, we can probably answer your wildest questions here.
There is also a subgroup here for Modders like you :happy3:

Mercmad is in your area, he is probably the most knowledgeable of all.

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

DEBENZ 108
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Re: W111 diff swap

Post by DEBENZ 108 » Fri 05 Jun, 2015 5:48 am

Have been to Mercmads place, its like being a kid at Christmas time. Will keep updates coming but im sure this will take some time. My W108 is getting a makeover at the same time, but its a little more non-conforming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5EabtNqG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NccJE6SabY
Turbo's are for diesel's!!
http://www.dieselaustralia.com.au

2006 ML320 cdi W164, My car
2002 ML270 cdi W163, Her car
2002 316cdi Sprinter
1969 280s W108
1968 250s W108 parts car
1970 280se W108 going diesel power!
1962 220s W111 sold
1961 220s W111 sold

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drew56cus
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Re: W111 diff swap

Post by drew56cus » Fri 05 Jun, 2015 6:45 am

Hi there, mercmad has told me of your exploits for a while. Good to see you stepping up in the style factor by going with a finnie for your new project!
After changing many diffs out over the years and wrestling with them and cursing at times, I got some tips from the master. Mercmad told me to bolt on the front of the trailing arms first, then jack the rear of the axle up into place - it was easier this way. Need 2 jacks. I got a couple of tapered guides machined up to help get the front trailing arm rubbers up onto the mounts - I have one here and gave one to Mercmad - you are welcome to borrow mine. Coat the mounts and guide liberally in water based grease and they slide up easily. Mercmad also made a guide for the 'rhino horn' that goes up into the boot.
Oh yeah, the last diff I did was a pain as it would not come out of the donor car - the rhino horn was rusted solid into the mount. So if there is any sign of rust in the mount in the boot, put a heap of Inox into it now so that it may have loosened up by the time you get your shed up.
I look forward to bumping into you sometime at Mercmads - I was going to pop in there over the weekend to say hi to him. I do car projects vicariously through him these days!
Cheers,
Drew
Drew
'65 220SE 4.5 Frankenbenz finnie :)
'65 220SE/C (#1 project - Tenorite grey)
'64 300SE/C (#2 project)
'66 250SE/C (#3 project)

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Mercmad
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Re: W111 diff swap

Post by Mercmad » Sun 07 Jun, 2015 9:15 am

The diesel is a great idea!, lots of Torque and cheaper to run.. although the rumble of merc V8 is hard to beat(or feed) .
I'm looking for a lot of interior trim parts for a W108 especially the parchment coloured door trims and windscreen side trims. let me know if you have any to part with.

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Re: W111 diff swap

Post by DEBENZ 108 » Fri 03 Jul, 2015 6:09 am

Whist hunting for w111 bits on ebay I stumbled across an old guy with 2 garden sheds full of finnie bits. So I bought the lot, three loads in my box trailer. Another set of door cards 2 sets of seats (one is a bench seat front which he said was rare??) a couple of wiring harness, another set of good doors, boot lid, bonnet and boxes and boxes of junk are among the bits. Wont have a chance to go through it for a while yet but if anyone wants anything in particular let me know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5EabtNqG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NccJE6SabY
Turbo's are for diesel's!!
http://www.dieselaustralia.com.au

2006 ML320 cdi W164, My car
2002 ML270 cdi W163, Her car
2002 316cdi Sprinter
1969 280s W108
1968 250s W108 parts car
1970 280se W108 going diesel power!
1962 220s W111 sold
1961 220s W111 sold

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Bartman4800
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Re: W111 diff swap

Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 03 Jul, 2015 12:55 pm

You lucky bastard :dance:

Sent you a PM.

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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Re: W111 diff swap

Post by Mercmad » Fri 03 Jul, 2015 4:08 pm

Hey Guy, i am at Rocklea now,just down the road from the old dump. Be careful when collecting old merc parts, I had parts from 18 finnys at one stage (makes me wonder how many they sold in OZ and how many are still out there) and virtually gave them away to make room so i could walk around the shed. :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6:

DEBENZ 108
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Re: W111 diff swap

Post by DEBENZ 108 » Fri 10 Jul, 2015 7:50 am

I know it can get out of hand Ron. I only plan to get this one car done and let everything else go to the next enthusiast. Sad part is, I now have enough for two cars. I have always wanted a Mercedes finnie ute??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5EabtNqG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NccJE6SabY
Turbo's are for diesel's!!
http://www.dieselaustralia.com.au

2006 ML320 cdi W164, My car
2002 ML270 cdi W163, Her car
2002 316cdi Sprinter
1969 280s W108
1968 250s W108 parts car
1970 280se W108 going diesel power!
1962 220s W111 sold
1961 220s W111 sold

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