Are there different light switches?

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Bartman4800
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Are there different light switches?

Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 4:00 pm

My '60 220S has a light switch that has 2 clicks to the left of the centre position (for parking light left and parking light right)

Kermit from 63 (built in Oz) does not have these switch positions. Is this normal?

I am actually thinking about changing out the switches, as the older one has a better positive action.
I probably also need the plastic key bit, as it feels the inside is buggered. There are lots in fleabay.


Anyone familiar with these differences?

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
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2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by eddie » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 4:52 pm

Hi Bart

I can try mine tonight, but I haven't noticed the left turn 'parking' function to date. maybe an earlier feature??

eddie
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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by Mercmad » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 6:14 pm

All of the light switches are the same, but the park light feature can get sticky. The plastic knobs should really be replaced once they have been pulled out . when turned right you get park light and headlight,but if pulled out the first click is for rear fog light and the second click is for the fog lights.

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 7:39 pm

Thanks Ron for pointing that pull out function as well. I only seem to have 1 click to pull out on mine.
I have a set of bulbs in the tail lights that I could not get to work; might be the magic second pull out position

Funny though, that Mercedes got away with a switch with 10 different positions and absolutely no explanation symbols :drunken:
If you set someone down behind the wheel and ask them to switch on the light, they might be looking for a bit...

I suspect the whole switch is rooted, time to replace....

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by eddie » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 9:37 pm

Hi Bart,

just tried my switch, it has two clicks CCW but nothing happens, never even noticed before, and it will pull out but not stay out, no click and no lights, never even noticed, so mines a bit stuffed too. Normal CW two clicks with lights and action all fine.

I might be in the market for a new switch too!!
1998 W210 E240 - yawn, but like a tank - SOLD, what a great car we'd had it 12 years and was still going strong
1969 Fiat 124 sport coupe - SOLD it...bit sad but onwards and upwards
2000 Mk4 VW Golf GTi - the german's should be ashamed - SOLD, no love lost there
1965 W111 coupe 220seb - project car, going to take forever!
1998 BMW M3 - interim car until the coupe is back, bit of a rocket to boot - SOLD, cant help but think I'm going to regret selling that one :think:
2003 Porsche 911 - had to see what all the fuss was about

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by Mercmad » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 9:52 pm

They are noramlly pretty robust switches but age can take it's toll. Yep,those extra bulbs are fog lights. My 6.3 actually has an extra fog lamp on the back ,a Euro feature . The W110 wagon had the park light light feature BUT...the side lights only worked with the Key OFF. So try it without the key in place and see what happens. The bulbs might be buggered too.

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 24 Mar, 2015 10:54 am

Oh Ron, while we are talking about this:

I checked and replaced almost all bulbs around the car. (need to go for the registration inspection soon) and I noticed that there are 2 bulbs in the front fog lights. A big one (unusual size) and a smaller one (15W I think)
Is the small one to take over from the other when it fails? They seemed to run on the same wire...
Or is this the parking light?

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 25 Mar, 2015 4:10 pm

A bump and a question:

I double checked both switches, and they both only have 2 pull positions (in or out)
Out is for the front fog lights as you said.

Pulled hard and could not get a 3rd position.

I went searching on fleabay and saw a few different light switches. Seems that the later coupe's/cabrio's had a switch with a light bulb in the center (same as W108 perhaps).
The sedan's never had afaik.

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:01 am

Ill be in the garage today bart i have written down what each function does on the 62 when i tested the wiring loom out. Will get back to you

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by harryskater_220 » Mon 06 Apr, 2015 10:16 am

sorry Bart i cant be anymore help other than confirming that from left is left park light, right park, off, side lights, dipped, then full with a click of the foot switch. Dont think mine does any extra things with the switch pulled out..

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 06 Apr, 2015 11:53 pm

Did you check the fog light bulbs Harry? They are sitting under the headlights in the cluster.

To remove them, just twist the little springs with a flat blade screwdriver, and gently pull it out.

Fog lights work on both my cars with pulling out the switch (but only one stop)

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by Brad220S » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 11:34 am

Mine (Australian) does not turn anti-clockwise.
My 2 parts cars, both German, do turn anti-clockwise.

Given the condition of the other 2 cars, I can't see how my switch would be stuck, but both of them operate easily.
Must be yet another Australian vs German difference.

Or possibly because mine is a 1960 model, the other 2 later models

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:53 pm

Brad220S wrote:Mine (Australian) does not turn anti-clockwise.
My 2 parts cars, both German, do turn anti-clockwise.

Given the condition of the other 2 cars, I can't see how my switch would be stuck, but both of them operate easily.
Must be yet another Australian vs German difference.

Or possibly because mine is a 1960 model, the other 2 later models
Hi,

It must be the country. My 1960 german donor does turn anti-clockwise, and the Australian 1963 model does not.

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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Re: Are there different light switches?

Post by sf0999 » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:37 pm

Ditto, my 1961 oz built does not turn left, first right parking, second right headlights and pull out for fog. My father 1965 W111 220S did have the 2 left position clearance lights.

Steve
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