Cosworth Auto

190E 2.3-16, 190E 2.5-16, 190E Evolution 1 & 2 models
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Cosworth Auto

Post by nicholas787 » Wed 16 Sep, 2009 8:06 am

To tell you the truth, I dont mind driving auto cars.

I've found an auto 2.3 cosworth for 10.5K

Ive been unable to find any reviews or write-ups on an auto cosworth...
Is it a sport gearbox, can you do quick launches or is there a sport mode? Etc

Your help would be Much appreciated

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Re: Cosworth Auto

Post by Ivanerrol » Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:49 am

Get the VIN number. Check it with the Russian site.

It maybe like many of the Ford GT HO's out there. - N.Q.R.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
Departed
W202 - C200, C180, C180
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W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
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Re: Cosworth Auto

Post by nicholas787 » Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:00 pm

N.Q.R?
ill get the VIN number..
Are you saying that 10k is too cheap to be genuine?
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Re: Cosworth Auto

Post by Ivanerrol » Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:55 pm

N.Q.R. - Not Quite Right.

Many made up spurious Ford GT Ho's out there.

Make sure the car is the real deal.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
Departed
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W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
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W140 420SEL
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Re: Cosworth Auto

Post by CraigB » Thu 17 Sep, 2009 11:48 am

I can't help with your questions but you could try carfolio (google it). I don't know how accurate it is but it sometimes has gear ratios in there.

As to the price, I think the auto really works against their value. I remember another one on here for ages that was for sale for less than that, and while not perfect, it looked pretty good.

but if you drive it and like it and intend on keeping it for a while so the resale price or time it takes to find a buyer is less important, then go for it. For me though, driving in a sporting way has always meant using a manual box to me, but once the SEC is back on the road I will need to learn something new but albeit with a big bag of torque to help. I just don't understand why so many sportlines in particular and also the cosworth were autos. Which maybe means it is all in my head about manuals and autos might not be that bad.

And as someone who has considered them, points that might help would be to get someone who really knows the model to look at it. Stories I have heard are that the timing chain and sprockets are a weakpoint on the 2.3 and replacement parts alone are in the region of $4k. They can be retrofitted with the 2.5 parts I believe that fixes them. Parts that are different (and therefore you would want to make sure are good because they are expensive to find others) are quicker steering and LSD, brakes are bigger but I think other parts are available there and better ones.

Anyway, a few random points to think about but I would be getting one checked.
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Re: Cosworth Auto

Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 17 Sep, 2009 11:13 pm

You need to be very careful when buying any of the 16 valve W201 models. They were not officially sold in Australia so any here will be private imports, often from countries with more hostile climates than ours. Whilst the W201 is not a rust prone car, bad climates (eg. humidity, snow and salted roads) can result in rust problems. Also remember that being the performance models, they often had hard lives and may have excessive mechanical wear or may have had severe accident damage. Generally speaking, any parts unique to the 16 valve models will be expensive to repair or replace.

Having said that, the 16 valve W201s are very desirable cars. I have long considered the possibility of owning one. They are however more an enthusiast's weekend or club car than an everyday driver. I'm not suggesting that you couldn't drive one as a daily driver, it's just that they are a bit "fussier" to drive and own than a regular 8 valve model and are more complex and expensive to maintain. I believe they have bottomed in value and the good ones will now be appreciating which also suggests that using a good one as a daily driver would not be the wisest choice.

Personally, I believe they lose some of their character in automatic form and the close ratio 5 speed Getrag manual with its "dogleg" 1st gear is an important part of the character of the car. If you are going to own an automatic, the 2.5-16 is probably a better choice than the 2.3-16 as the larger engine is not as "peaky" and exhibits a broader torque curve more suitable for an auto.

A friend of mine owns a Blue-black 2.5-16 automatic in very good condition that he wants to sell. Had it been a manual I would seriously consider buying it myself. I just think I would be disappointed with the auto as I really enjoy driving a manual and realistically my 5 speed manual 2.3 (8 valve) Sportline is a far more practical car for me as my daily driver. A 190E Sportline is effectively the same package as the 16 valve models but without the high performance engine (or dogleg box in the manual) and the skirted body kit. I also know that "Oz Coz" on this forum who owns a very tidy 2.3-16 in manual would also consider buying the 2.5-16 if it was a manual. Incidentally, Oz Coz is a very knowledgeable person to speak to regarding the 16 valve models as he is very much an enthusiast of those models.

Having said all this, it was interesting to watch the "Top Gear" episode where Richard Hammond drove an Almondine Red (which he described as pink) 2.5-16 manual. He concluded that they are very much becoming a sought after classic and still offer a great driving experience, but he considered the pick of them to be a black (actually Blue-black) or silver with auto transmission.
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Re: Cosworth Auto

Post by 70499 » Thu 17 Sep, 2009 11:31 pm

Greg in Oz wrote: Richard Hammond drove an Almondine Red (which he described as pink) 2.5-16 manual.
The best way to decribe this colour is Metallic Dog Tongue :shock:
Ahhh.... its been a long day.
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Re: Cosworth Auto

Post by oz coz » Sat 03 Oct, 2009 5:12 pm

Hi Nicholas 787,

I am based in Sydney and spend a fair bit of time in the Shire on Grandparent duty and can probably answer most of your queries. If you would like to meet up, please send me a PM. Tuesdays are usually best.

Regards.
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Re: Cosworth Auto

Post by Mr Cosworth » Tue 06 Oct, 2009 6:19 pm

Hi Nichoals 787
I take it you are referring to the cosworth for sale in victoria. Yes it is a grnuine car .It has been for sale for a while now same as my car (offered my car late last year to this forum for 6 K ) but being an import it needs australian compliance. Colour is smoke silver one of only two colours available in the 2.3 16V the other being black/blue. At 10.5 K it is cheap . I have bitten the bullet and am going through the process of complyng my car. It involves installing side impact intrusion bars child restraint anchorges and in my case being a 1987 model installing a cat converter. As the car goes being auto it is only marginly slower than a manual .The added bonus of a recaro interior the fast steering the asd the beefed up suspension and bigger brakes makes for a fun and tight drive. As for people saying it is too cheap yes it is but once complied it will be worth 20to 30 K if going by cars currently advertised in this country.These were never offered officialy for sale in this country . If you google 190 E Cosworth 2.3 16 V there are some interesting sites . Looking for parts is easy as well especialy in the UK where there were plenty sold and at the aussie $ is very good against the UK pound . If you need some more info PM me.

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