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F1 Safety Car

Post by rallyhoon » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 1:07 pm

So . . . I'm watching the Japan Grand Prix the other arvo in which the inevitable happens and the stewards cue the SL 63 AMG. Watching it go around, though, I could not help but wonder what sort of lap times it is doing.

I recall reading (in Auto Fiction I think) that at last year's (?) big launch for the C63 AMG at Bathurst, that some 'gun' put one of those (in showroom trim) around the iconic circuit only about two seconds off a decent V8 Supercar time. Bernd Maylander is clearly no dill behind the wheel (he's won the 24 hours at 'the Ring in a Porsche and has driven for MB in DTM) and it's no stocko SL 63 AMG (220 kg lighter for a start and they set up the suspension for each circuit), so I imagine it's pretty quick (and by neccessity).

Does anyone know what sort of lap times it turns in comparison?
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Re: F1 Safety Car

Post by Tony T » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 7:32 pm

I don't have an answer to the question, but I've often wondered the same thing.
They look like they're going so slow behind the pace car compared to race pace, but when you see the in-car shot, the driver is concentrating and doing good consistant times.
I can imagine how slow it feels to the drivers of the F1 cars, though. :lol:

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Re: F1 Safety Car

Post by 230Rocket » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 11:20 am

reading some of Marting Brundle's comments on this particular topic it would seem that sitting alongside Bernd during safety car phases would scare the living daylights out of most people, so I'd imagine he's absolutley caning it!

by contrast the F1 pilots sitting behind him lose all the temperature in their tyres and brakes not to mention rhthym and jive for their lap times and probably experience frustration or relief depending on whether it's a Red Bull or a McLaren!

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Re: F1 Safety Car

Post by rallyhoon » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 11:38 am

I read on Bernd Maylander's web site that, while the F1 guys are going comparatively slowly, they nevertheless appreciate that he's going reasonably hard. They 'play' with him, apparently, to the extent that they might 'rush' him under brakes if they think he can go that bit deeper, or if they think he can get on the gas a bit sooner or harder. It turns into a bit of game and he usually lifts once the SL is all up to ops.

No pressure, Bernd, you're only being harried by the best drivers in the world. But, surely, you can still step it up a fraction, can't you? . . . wow.

I agree 230, you can tell that he has real attitude on the thing. Watching him circulate it you can see similar pitch, roll and yaw response as you might expect from someone like Lowndes in the 888 car. That's what makes me think he is probably right on it. I'm thinking 58 seconds around Wakefield or 2:04 around Bathurst sort of pace (V8 Supercar does 59 on a good lap at Wakefield and the Mt Panorama lap record is 2:06).

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Post by Brad220S » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 7:43 pm

A C63 or any road going Mercedes or any road going car will not even come close to a V8 Supercar time on any track.
The "unofficial" production car lap record is 2:25 by Warren Luff in an R35 GTR on a drive day at the mount. Its believed they could get another second or two out of it on the right tyres.
Official Production car lap record is 2.27

As for Wakefield, John Bowe holds the Nations cup record with a 58.9 second lap in a Ferrari F360GT
According to Motor magazine their Wakefield lap times are as follows

1 Porsche 911 GT2 1.05.05
2 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.06.70
3 Porsche 911 GT3 1.07.40
4 Porsche 911 Turbo S 1.07.60
5 Audi RS6 1.07.07
6 BMW M3 coupe 1.07.80
7 Lotus Exige S 1.08.10
8 Mercedes SL63 AMG 1.08.10
9 Mercedes CLK63 Black 1.08.66
=10 BMW M3 Sedan 1.09.00
=10 BMW M5 1.09.00

Friend of mine holds the lap record for Mini's at Wakefield

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Re: F1 Safety Car

Post by WarrenM » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 10:58 pm

Good sensible post Brad- road cars will not live with a "proper" race car.



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Re: F1 Safety Car

Post by rallyhoon » Sat 10 Oct, 2009 8:15 am

I'm only going by what I read in Auto Fiction, Brad (probably why I call it that). By the way, V8 Supercar lap record at Wakefield is 59.0391, set by Steve Owen in April 2008. Given the Super Tourer record is 1:01.86, that seems about right (all I can manage is 1:18.03 in the X1-9. But it legally wears number plates, so . . .).

And, you're right, Warren, but I've seen some come pretty close. Mind you, I am thinking things like F430 Stradales running around with 2 L sports sedans (and the sports sedan IS still 3-4 seconds quicker). But, we're talking the 1:10 - 1:06 bracket at Wakefield here. Then again, I also watched with glee one morning as an Austin Healy Sprite (Marque Sports car) ran away and hid from an Audi R8.

I still ponder the lap speed of the SL. In rallying terms, it would be easy to compare. You'd just look at seconds per kilometer for a given stage (or circuit).
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Re: F1 Safety Car

Post by Brad220S » Sat 10 Oct, 2009 12:04 pm

One small thing to note, the quoted lap record for a V8 super car is not quite right, it's not a true V8 supercar,it is one of the development series cars. Heavier and less powerful than the main series cars. At Bathurst they are about 3 seconds faster

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Re: F1 Safety Car

Post by Mercmad » Mon 12 Oct, 2009 9:01 am

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Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 12 Oct, 2009 9:07 am

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