This is my sort of G Wagen

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This is my sort of G Wagen

Post by Des » Mon 28 Apr, 2008 9:22 pm

This is my sort of G Wagen

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Re: This is my sort of G Wagen

Post by coffee_mogul » Mon 28 Apr, 2008 9:32 pm

It would certainly help in morning traffic........just need some one to ride shotgun !

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Post by c124 » Tue 29 Apr, 2008 1:21 pm

Is this what the Australian Army is reviewing to purchase? I'm hoping that they go ahead with buying G Wagens, then MB might import a few for private/commercial buyers (obviously - and unfortunately - without the armament).

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Post by Gelandewagen » Tue 29 Apr, 2008 1:55 pm

I am actually privy to some info about this, so let me just drag over my soap-box . . . 8)
c124 wrote:Is this what the Australian Army is reviewing to purchase?
Mercedes-Benz has already been awarded the tender to supply and maintain 1100 G-wagens to the Australian Defence Force. They will consist of light-duty open vehicles, vans and station-wagon G280 4x4s with a 2850 mm wheelbase; also cab-chassis medium-duty units with either single, dual or extended cab variants in either 6x6 or 4x4 with a longer 3120 wheelbase, also G280. Australia are the first customers to be offered the 6x6 variant.

Des has posted a picture of an armored cab-chassis 4x4 wit 3120 wheelbase. Looks like it might belong to the Dutch, but that's just an educated guess.
c124 wrote:then MB might import a few for private/commercial buyers (obviously - and unfortunately - without the armament).
Many of us (G-wagen owners) were able to spend some time with the two managers that look after commercial and military vehicle sales for Australia Pacific recently. Unfortunately this will never happen for several reasons: The right-hand-drive civilian market is too small, it is impractical to gain Australian Compliance and no-one is going to pay $250,000 for a vehicle that is slower and lower spec'ed than a commercial model LandCruiser. In addition, the vehicles supplied to the army will be maintained for a minimum 30 years with the option of extending the contract by a further 15 years. What happens if Australia has another war with Germany?

Great post Des.

These are two of the Evaluation Vehicles that MB lent to the ADF (both destined to the crusher :( )
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Re: This is my sort of G Wagen

Post by Des » Tue 29 Apr, 2008 4:14 pm

Gelandewagen wrote:Mercedes-Benz has already been awarded the tender to supply and maintain 1100 G-wagens to the Australian Defence Force. They will consist of light-duty open vehicles, vans and station-wagon G280 4x4s with a 2850 mm wheelbase; also cab-chassis medium-duty units with either single, dual or extended cab variants in either 6x6 or 4x4 with a longer 3120 wheelbase, also G280. Australia are the first customers to be offered the 6x6 variant.

That is excellent news, thank god it didn't get supplied to Holden/GM to supply some sort of Hummer.

Do you know how a Hummer stacks up against the G Wagens?

It terms of durability/reliability/and amour?
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Post by Gelandewagen » Tue 29 Apr, 2008 7:17 pm

How do you think it stacks up?

The G-wagen is superior in all aspects - which is not to say the Hummer doesn't have some really good design features (like CTI) and extremely simple construction and maintenance. It is a great vehicle for blasting through the open desert.

Basically when a Hummer is hit by an IED it turns to shrapnel, killing/maiming the occupants. The G-wagen in armored form tends to resist that kind of attack much better - that's why any foreign dignitaries in Iraq at the moment drive around in Gs, not Humvees.
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Post by kaiser » Tue 29 Apr, 2008 11:31 pm

I was wondering how long before you posted on this thread mate :D

Why Dutch? Looks like a German Iron Cross in the glass behind the truck? All german military vehicles use the iron cross
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Re: This is my sort of G Wagen

Post by Gelandewagen » Wed 30 Apr, 2008 1:41 am

kaiser wrote:Looks like a German Iron Cross in the glass behind the truck?
Looks like you're right, it's just that the Germans generally eschew the "accessorised" look. The Dutch love to load up their trucks with all sorts of interesting killing equipement.
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Re: This is my sort of G Wagen

Post by Des » Wed 30 Apr, 2008 8:40 am

Gelandewagen wrote:
kaiser wrote:Looks like a German Iron Cross in the glass behind the truck?
Looks like you're right, it's just that the Germans generally eschew the "accessorised" look. The Dutch love to load up their trucks with all sorts of interesting killing equipement.

Interesting, looks like you are right, same insigna on a Leopard

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I thought they still used the straight arm version as they did in WW2

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Post by Hendrik » Wed 30 Apr, 2008 2:52 pm

Gelandewagen wrote:
kaiser wrote:Looks like a German Iron Cross in the glass behind the truck?
Looks like you're right, it's just that the Germans generally eschew the "accessorised" look. The Dutch love to load up their trucks with all sorts of interesting killing equipement.
This would be the special forces version, note the smoke launchers front and rear. The set out is similar to the SAS Landies, GP machine gun in the passenger seat and a heavy MG in the 'turret'.
Anyway I would have preffered that Oz builds it's own 4x4 type vehicle, I know they have become a bit better but the G is still a complicated machine and a broken down vehicle is a big problem in the field.
That is one area the Russians excel, building simple heavy duty stuff that just keeps going.

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Post by AMG » Sat 25 Oct, 2008 11:14 pm

The only issue I have with all of these vehicles is the fact they still roll around on pissweak 31-3" tyres. they need at least 35's or 37's to move around successfully on our soil at the speeds the adf love doing. (don't ask)

35's would be a good compromise between increased ground clearance and stability and the final drive ratios wouldn't have to be altered by much to achieve a very highly mobile vehicle.

humvees run 37's and up to 40" depending on the 'destination' but remember they are a whole lot wider too. not the best thing on aussie bush tracks, but extremely mobile nonetheless, for their size. they are a bit heavy on diesel though.

2 manufacturers - 2 very different approaches to offroad military vehicles.

The hummer is a lot of fun on the beach, I can assure you. It's not bad over big rocks either.

Never been offroad in a G. I suspect a 'mog probably has more articulation and in my mind, is closer to the humvee for comparisons based on clearance wheelbase and articulation etc.

and there's something uniquely cool about the mog that makes it cool, with infinitely more cred than a garden variety 4x4.
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Re: This is my sort of G Wagen

Post by Hendrik » Sun 26 Oct, 2008 10:32 am

JoeB wrote:The only issue I have with all of these vehicles is the fact they still roll around on pissweak 31-3" tyres. they need at least 35's or 37's to move around successfully on our soil at the speeds the adf love doing. (don't ask)
Yes but remember that the G and U have portal axles and diff locks, not sure what the HUMVEE boasts. The lighter weight of the G is also a plus.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=z0N7lXwfveM propaganda video where they could not find the diff lock lever in the G
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKAlkJfoQM there goes a ball joint
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ylf9f5m-sM this is how it's done
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VI-f83S16bc

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Re: This is my sort of G Wagen

Post by Gelandewagen » Sun 26 Oct, 2008 8:48 pm

Remember that a true 37" tyre only gives 50 mm more clearance than a 32" tyre, and that most 37s are actually closer to 35" tall and suddenly the difference isn't all that good. The Canadians have equipped their G-wagens with 35s but only for snow driving.

Hummers and Unimogs have portal axles, G-wagen do not.
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Post by Gelandewagen » Sun 26 Oct, 2008 11:10 pm

Here is a photo of a Canadian G-wagen.
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Re: This is my sort of G Wagen

Post by AMG » Tue 28 Oct, 2008 12:46 pm

Hendrik wrote:
JoeB wrote:The only issue I have with all of these vehicles is the fact they still roll around on pissweak 31-3" tyres. they need at least 35's or 37's to move around successfully on our soil at the speeds the adf love doing. (don't ask)
Yes but remember that the G and U have portal axles and diff locks, not sure what the HUMVEE boasts. The lighter weight of the G is also a plus.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=z0N7lXwfveM propaganda video where they could not find the diff lock lever in the G
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKAlkJfoQM there goes a ball joint
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ylf9f5m-sM this is how it's done
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VI-f83S16bc

The mog does a good job, like I mentioned, but a H2? hah no... I was referring to H1, the real 'HUMVEE'. These H2's and H3's are tarted up pavement prancing vehicles with absolutely no real credibility. lord help them if they scratch their 24's on a kerb, let alone go offroad and scratch the paint driving down a firetrail.

As Gelandewagen mentioned, a 4" increase indiameter is roughly only a 2" increase in clearance, provided the tyres are inflated. using beadlock rims (or cheating and using inserts) allows rockcrawlers to drop the pressures right down so the tyres bag-out, increasing the grip and spreading the vehicles load over a larger surface area, similar to driving on sand.

when you have 37" Baja Claws on your P-troll, you know it. the noise alone is enough to let you know, let alone the extra difficulty in actually alighting to and from the vehicle.
The clearance increase is noticeable, but I suspect many 4x4 owners have never experimented with oversize tyres and rims specifically when offroading. Most people don't need to either, as they don't really go 'off road' but rather stick to tracks and trails. Driving cross-country where there are no trails presents a significantly different method of approach, and one where traction and ground clearance, as well as better articulation is more of a mandatory requirement than a 'nice to have', as demonstrated by the mog in the creek crawling video.

The fun thing with civilian 4x4's is not how fast you get to your intended destination, but how well you negotiate the obstacles and the terrain you cover. I suspect the scope and requirements for the ADF are somewhat different than the intended civilian purpose.

The G-wagen definitely succeeds the Chrysler 300C as the 'Gun-platform for a drive-by shooting', especially with that turret option :)
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