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The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by Dweezil » Tue 25 Sep, 2007 10:00 pm

Hi oil burners (midnight and otherwise),

there have been various threads about turbo diesels that seem to contradict each other a little. If the interested parties can try and tie it all together for the rest of us it would be mightily appreciated. So, in no particular order:

If the LHD OM617 factory turbo doesn't fit into a RHD engine bay, what happened in Glen's car whose engine came from Maryland?

If the factory RHD turbo was oil-cooled, how did the rebuilt one that Tony has come to overheat?

Has Tony got it in there and working?

Do we know if any non-factory conversion jobs were somehow modified to get piston oil-cooling? In the unlikely event that any did, do they work?

Is there a standard radiator mod that's done to cool the turbo itself?

Does a US 300SD engine differ from a 300D engine?

Could a US 300SD engine slot straight into a RHD W116 280S(E)(L)?

If it does, do you also need a different transmission, and if so, which one?

Did we get a definitive answer on whether Dylan's turbo was indeed slaved up to a TE transmission?

Am I completely nuts in my theory that a US OM617 turbo might somehow squeeze into a W108/9?

That should keep you off the mean streets for a while.

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Post by John Green » Wed 26 Sep, 2007 5:50 am

There is a RHD version of the OM617A for the W123 chassis for sure, I know of at least three of them. One of which is the car tha Tony's engine came from. They were sold in the UK and Japan.

I suspect there never was a RHD version for the W116 or W126 as that model was never offered outside of the USA.
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Post by Tony From West Oz » Fri 28 Sep, 2007 11:47 pm

I want to get the time to install mine.
Working for a living has several drawbacks, One of which is that it limits the time I have available to work on my projects. I have assembled all of the ancillaries onto the engine, but since the engine has been back from rebuilding, I have not had the option to take 3 weeks off to rip the engine and tranny out of the Fatmobile and swap the tranny onto the turbo engine and reinstall it.

I also have other projects on the go, and they are taking time too. My Back Yard Aquaponics System (growing veggies in water from a fish tank which produces fish for family use), expanding my solar and wind power system, looking after my livestock and gardens, not to speak of helping my darling wife with her hobbies.

Is anyone interested in doing this engine swap for me? I can pay and I would like to be there to help with the swap, just so that I can get my hands dirty and know that it all went together properly.

I will get to do it!
I will get to do it!
I will get to do it!
I will get to do it!
I will get to do it!
I will get to do it!

I WILL!!!!!

Perhaps I need to set myself a deadline and book time off so that I can get the time to do it.


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Post by Dweezil » Mon 01 Oct, 2007 1:38 am

Hi Tony,

nice to hear about all the other cool stuff you're doing. With a bit of luck I'll be doing that stuff in rural WA in about 10 years.

Anyhoo, as a wee incentive, I'll give you a hundred bucks if you can videotape the swap so I can get a handle on how to do it.

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Post by Tony From West Oz » Wed 03 Oct, 2007 12:22 am

Dweezil,
I did post on the Removal of a M110 with an OM617 in a W123 chassis last year if I recall.

I don't have a video camera and my digital camera only has a half GB stick, so any vid would need to be a low resolution and may not be particularly useful.

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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by 300TDT » Thu 06 Dec, 2007 6:53 pm

Hi all,

I've had a LHD 300TDT here in Tokyo for a few years and was shocked to find out that I wouldn't be able to bring it back with me to Aus. But I'm planning to bring back an OM617.952 engine and the necessary bits & pieces.

John at MB Spares tells me that it wouldn't be too hard to put it in a local 300TD, but there seem to be very few available and the good ones aren't being sold.
With a bit of extra time (=$), I'm told it could be transplanted into a 280TE.

Does this mean it would also be OK in a 230TE?
I've found a 230TE I'm interested in, but want to confirm with everyone here that it is actually possible before I pay for it.

The Benz mechanics in Japan (not dealer) tell me that a 230E would be OK too, but perhaps they just want to sell me an engine...? And anyway, I'd prefer a wagon.

I want a diesel because I'm keen on using biodiesel/WVO/SVO.
Thanks for all your work Bruce! Great blog.
Hope to be in touch with everyone using alternative fuel after I've sorted out this engine thing!

Just found the thread on 1984 230te engine swap and a few other related threads!
So I assume it is do-able?!
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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by John Green » Thu 06 Dec, 2007 9:01 pm

John at MB Spares tells me that it wouldn't be too hard to put it in a local 300TD, but there seem to be very few available and the good ones aren't being sold.
With a bit of extra time (=$), I'm told it could be transplanted into a 280TE.

There has been some developments on this since we last spoke, on another topic we discussed how I have found a factory turbo wagin that was converted from LHD to RHD and all it took was a slight change to the design of the engine pipe?? This is interesting as i have found a few people who thought that the design of the manifolds was differant between the RHD and LHD cars, but I have since researched this myself and find this is not true. Not sure what the topic was but I am sure some of the diesel heads on the forum will know it. I even posted some pictures.
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Post by 300TDT » Thu 06 Dec, 2007 9:18 pm

Thanks for the quick reply, John.
I've read the "For Sale: 617 5cyl turbodiesel motor and trans from USA" thread. Very interesting!

So, I can put a LHD OM617.952 engine into a RHD 230TE engine bay?
Any comments on this would be most appreciated! :D

(I have photos of my LHD OM617.952 engine bay if that is any help.)
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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by Dweezil » Fri 07 Dec, 2007 12:58 am

Spent a coupla weeks in Nihon last year and I counted the number of pre-1990 cars on one hand. I'm surprised that:

a) you found a TD of any description, let alone a turbo
b) it's LHD
c) you found a mechanic who knew anything about them
d) you found a place to stick it anywhere between Osaka and Sendai
e) you could afford a place to stick it anywhere between Osaka and Sendai

Before getting too far down the conversion path, you'd best have a chat with the affable Glen Richards on the subject. Aside from the actual problems he had with the engine that he imported from the US, there were a bunch of niggling little tid-bits in the conversion that will be expensive if you're paying someone else to do the work.

Best of British to you, I'd love to see you pull it off and compare the results with my N/A TD.

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Post by 300TDT » Fri 07 Dec, 2007 2:00 am

Thanks for the words of caution, Dweezil.
But I think I'll give it a go.
Unless you know of a good 300TD for sale??

a) you found a TD of any description, let alone a turbo

I've heard there were about 300 turbos imported.

b) it's LHD

As far as I know, all W123s imported to Japan were LHD with Euro specs except for a few 230Es.

c) you found a mechanic who knew anything about them

I know of at least 10 shops that deal with classic Mercedes-Benz.
In Tokyo there are 2 W123 specialists, 1 for mostly diesels and 1 for mostly petrol (A lot of Des' modified W123 pics seem to come from this one).

d) you found a place to stick it anywhere between Osaka and Sendai

Are you talking about the tightening of diesel particulate emissions a few years ago?
It is not too hard to register such cars outside the restricted zones but use them in Tokyo, Osaka or Nagoya.

e) you could afford a place to stick it anywhere between Osaka and Sendai

Pricy parking is a fact of life here.
Sydney will be a relief!
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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by John Green » Fri 07 Dec, 2007 9:55 pm

So, I can put a LHD OM617.952 engine into a RHD 230TE engine bay?
Any comments on this would be most appreciated!

Like I said all you need is to change the engine pipe, this does howevr presum you have everything, this includes the boost control valve and the electrics to run it, just having the engine is only the start. This is not a conversin i have done, you need to talk to Tony from WA he has the OM617A that I used to own.
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Post by Tony From West Oz » Fri 07 Dec, 2007 10:02 pm

I am happy to offer any advice on your conversion. My only problems with installing a diesel engine into a car (originally petrol engined) related to the lack of vacuum / electrical services in the recipient vehicle and the location of those which were provided (wrong side of engine).

I hope to post photos of the transplant over the next few weeks.

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Post by 300TDT » Fri 07 Dec, 2007 11:00 pm

Thanks John and Tony,
I haven't bought the engine yet, just sourced it, so I will make sure it has all the extras (vacuum & electrical, etc),
as the turbo-diesel engine seller from the USA offered.
I would like to try this, probably early next year?
I guess my main problem will be explaining all this in Japanese when I try to buy the engine! :shock:
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Post by Tony From West Oz » Sun 09 Dec, 2007 2:20 am

Your 230E will not have the vacuum shutoff valve on the ignition switch, or even a place to put one. I used a vacuum solenoid from the Emission Controls of the 280E, operating on the 12V Ign. for the electronic ignition, to apply vacuum to the IP. when the 12V was turned off, thus shutting down the IP.
Mu donor vehicle did not have a functioning GP relay, so I have a manual GP operation with a heavy switch under the dash to apply power to the GPs. I just count to 10 (series GPs on this engine) then crank. Always starts, although in winter, I need to count to 15 or 20 ;)
A/Cond compressor clutch, temp gauge, etc , wiring had to be swapped to the other side of the engine.
Will post pix of my Turbo Diesel installation, as things happen.
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Post by Dweezil » Sun 09 Dec, 2007 10:52 pm

300TDT, the big question is, why can't you bring the 300TD(T) back from Nihon? Depending on year of manufacture, you could bring it back intact and drive it as a LHD as soon as it turns 30.

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Post by 300TDT » Sun 09 Dec, 2007 11:10 pm

S'pose I could ride my bicycle until 2013?!
Can sell it for a good price in Japan.
May already have a buyer. :D
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Post by glen richards » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 9:44 pm

I prob would not do the conversion again,it cost me a lot of money,around 10 all up,but myself and my father sorted out a lot of the problems,you could not afford to pay some one to sort out everything,having said that,it has turned out to be a very reliable,reasonably powerful tow car and now that I have it,when I wear it out it can be rebulit again.om617952

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Post by 300TDT » Thu 20 Dec, 2007 1:15 am

Thanks Glen. I don't have $10,000 burning a hole in my pocket at the moment...
and I don't think my Dad will be much help!
Am currently trying to get a price for the turbo-diesel engine plus all necessary "other bits".
That will decide whether I continue with this project or not.
Hope that John's brainwave re a new engine-pipe will make it financially possible, as it now looks like the total cost from Japan might be similar to that of the USA offer. :(

If you have a moment, could you detail the various problems you had to sort out?
Unless you've already done so in another thread?
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Post by Tony From West Oz » Thu 20 Dec, 2007 11:32 pm

The OM617 912 is out (of the Fatmobile), the tranny has been disconnected and cleaned down. The OM617 952 is on the bench awaiting the tranny bolt-up.
Many of the nuts and bolts which I need did not come back from the engine re-builders, so I am forced to remove the ones I need from the old engine.

I could have done this transplant in 3 or 4 days, but my Mum is crook and may not make New Years, so much of my time has been spent with her.

I will bolt up the tranny and source the bolts I need but don't have, tomorrow.
Hopefully, I shall have it running on Sunday afternoon.
I have only taken a couple of photos, my hands are always too black to pick up the camera,

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Post by Tony From West Oz » Thu 31 Jan, 2008 11:43 am

The engine is in and I have started it, but there is a rattly/clunky noise from the front of the engine, so I have contacted the engine rebuilder.
I have checked the chain tensioner, which has a new spring fitted (old one had signs of wear and it appears to be doing its job, the tensioning rail moves freely under tensioner pressure.

I also filled the PS Pump in case that was where the noise emanated from. I will start the engine again today, to determine whether the noise remains.

In my FSM for the 300D, there is a difference in the Tensioner rail between the OM617.912 and the OM617.952 engines. The 617.952 has what appears to be some ball bearings & a spring which work with notches in the working area to ratchet the tensioner so that it stays in the last position.
Mine does not appear to have this arrangement.
  • Was this on all 817.952 engines?
  • Is it essential (the 617.912 doesn't have it)?
  • What else could be making the noise?
Does anyone have an expanded view of this area of the engine (from the parts book)? If so, can you please PM me, I will give you my email address so you can email me the pages.

Thanks
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Post by Tony From West Oz » Fri 01 Feb, 2008 12:34 am

OK,
Here are the photos of the engine in my Fatmobile.
Only showing the turbo side of the engine, as that is the main difference between the 2 engines. The other side is a bit messy due to the veggie conversion plumbing.

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'84 W123 300D replaced good OM617 912 with OM617 952 and enjoyed having good acceleration for the first time since first driving a 300D in 2002 - became engine and trans donor for 300CD Turbodiesel conversion. Now parted out.
'86 W124 300D sold (Wife's old car - sold )
'85 W123 300CD, 275 000km (Fatmobile) rebuilt turbodiesel from previous Fatmobile transplanted into 280CE (SOLD)
'99 W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car - Sold)
'98 W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car - Sold)
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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by griffis » Thu 21 Feb, 2008 10:52 pm

Hi Tony,

I have a W123 300TD, 5 speed manual, 1985, right hand drive. Have long wanted to convert to turbo (more power on hills), using an imported N.American engine (complete with all assosiated systems). E Bay offers many a cheap rust bucket with aparently good mechanicals.
Concerned about turbo plumbing to steering box clearence. Can not see from your photo's if this was/is a problem and how you fixed it, if was.
Please post more photos.
Of the variose 300D turbo's in the US which would you recomend and why, or are they all much the same.

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Post by griffis » Fri 22 Feb, 2008 5:16 pm

What are the chances of grafting a Sprinter 2.9 (turbo) or 2.7 (5 cylinders both) in/onto a 300TD Five speed manual?

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Post by bruceT » Fri 22 Feb, 2008 6:41 pm

I have been thinking of that conversion possibility for my W126 280SE, if nobody wants to buy it. Those sprinter diesels really haul ass. The 2.6 litre version hauled 4 adults and a lot of gear all around Tassie in a 6 berth Maui camper van last year. Even went up Mt Wellington in the thing! Miles of torque, that's for sure.
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Post by griffis » Wed 27 Feb, 2008 9:12 pm

Hi to my fellow oil burners,

There would seem to be few if any real problems with the actual installation of a WB 123 300D Turbo engine into a right hand drive WB 123 car, particularly onto an auto. transmission.

The real mountain of a problem is obtaining a supply of reasonably priced N American or European 300D turbo's.

The cars are available over there. Look on e-bay

What we need is a reliable contact to vet, purchase, disassemble (or half cut) the donor vehicle and send the good bits over here.

Who knows of such a person?

Alternative get together - pay my way to/from & within the USA /accommodation/ & hire wheels, - I will check out your preferred vehicle, remove contents of engine bay & anything else you want - pack- load on transport to Australia - all cost and custom clearance your responsibility. My reward - the fun of traveling around checking out cars & bringing home my own 300D turbo (at my cost) for my car.

I understand from customs that private importation of 1/2 cuts, engines and parts does not attract duty (whole cars, even rusted ones - is another matter).

Sean

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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by Dweezil » Wed 27 Feb, 2008 9:45 pm

I went a reasonable way down that path last year. May I suggest:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4453&p=27919

If you've got that sort of money to throw around and went through with it, I'd be dying to see the results.

May the Farce be with you.

Dweezil

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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by 230ew123 » Tue 04 Apr, 2017 11:47 pm

griffis wrote:What are the chances of grafting a Sprinter 2.9 (turbo) or 2.7 (5 cylinders both) in/onto a 300TD Five speed manual?

did you get anywhere with this?

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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by unheardofinstruments » Sat 03 Mar, 2018 11:04 pm

I bought two turbo diesels from the usa with manual gearboxes ...and they never arrived, don't get them from Anne Schlageter in ohio! Got the longest series of emails with promises and she kept two thousand bucks and shafted me. A friend just put a turbo on the normal 300d motor and it has been running very well for ages and is much quicker, a pleasure. The head on the turbo has different valve guides, lower compression, different cam too I think to the normally aspirated head but his head has has handled it well so far. I was toying with supercharging it instead...

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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by mathuisella » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:31 am

I took posession of Tony from west Aus's 300D turbo a week and a bit ago, currently changing it from Auto to Manual transmission. Then to sort out some other things with it to get it on the road :)

happy to take pictures ect: to help anyone else with an engine like this.

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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by mathuisella » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:59 am

unheardofinstruments wrote:
Sat 03 Mar, 2018 11:04 pm
I bought two turbo diesels from the usa with manual gearboxes ...and they never arrived, don't get them from Anne Schlageter in ohio! Got the longest series of emails with promises and she kept two thousand bucks and shafted me. A friend just put a turbo on the normal 300d motor and it has been running very well for ages and is much quicker, a pleasure. The head on the turbo has different valve guides, lower compression, different cam too I think to the normally aspirated head but his head has has handled it well so far. I was toying with supercharging it instead...
I think supercharging's parasitic effect wouldn't be good with these cars having a lower rpm and not much power to begin with, turbo would be better. just have a smaller turbo if you want it to kick in sooner.

i think factory turbo kicks in post 2000rpm ?

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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by tsharkey » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 7:43 pm

mathuisella wrote:
Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:31 am
I took posession of Tony from west Aus's 300D turbo a week and a bit ago, currently changing it from Auto to Manual transmission. Then to sort out some other things with it to get it on the road :)

happy to take pictures ect: to help anyone else with an engine like this.
Is this a new 4 speed or is the sedan going to be an auto again. You must have this down to a fine art by now, this will be number #3 conversion ? At least you will have the 2nd most desirable combo - Manual Coupe with an OM617A, the only one better would be an M117 ....
W123 1981 300TD - Family Kid mover
W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
W123 1984 300TD 5 Speed Manual, to teach the kids how to drive
W123 1982 300TD Factory OM617A Turbo (Hans) - Project
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)

Past benzes
W114 1969 250CE - PO put in an M110 transplant and nearly sent me around the bend
W123 1981 300TD - "Matilda" - RIP hit front side & rear but left my brother + niece A-OK

Current Projects
Coupe restoration, Turbo Wagon freshen up

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Re: The Big Turbo Diesel Thread

Post by mathuisella » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:40 pm

tsharkey wrote:
Mon 16 Jul, 2018 7:43 pm
mathuisella wrote:
Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:31 am
I took posession of Tony from west Aus's 300D turbo a week and a bit ago, currently changing it from Auto to Manual transmission. Then to sort out some other things with it to get it on the road :)

happy to take pictures ect: to help anyone else with an engine like this.
Is this a new 4 speed or is the sedan going to be an auto again. You must have this down to a fine art by now, this will be number #3 conversion ? At least you will have the 2nd most desirable combo - Manual Coupe with an OM617A, the only one better would be an M117 ....
Yes, it's a new 4 speed, somehow in 3 years ive managed to locate 3 manual transmissions. :O crazy luck there.

the red sedan im looking to sell :) cover the costs of the coupe and stuff :)

it is my 3rd conversion, but the 2nd i've done by myself.

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