Have you got a lumpy idle ?
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Have you got a lumpy idle ?
Hey everyone, well my new car has a lump idle and the car shakes. Engine mounts look alright, and going off of this video i'm looking towards the fuel injectors.
part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAOVL3C0dvg
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cdyiy4g930
So, i've taken the injectors out.
before, each injector
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCbY1yS76p4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbP-COShXnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pTbfBMUuz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psQFTET9us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6fz49BVSZ0
and how they should be, ( using a video from my red om617 NA, post cleaning )
cleaned with old nozzle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Fbeg-X6A8
cleaned with new nozzle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzE7D4bCnZM
and how the injectors are currently some of them were so stuck they needed persuading..
and putting them in the ultrasonic cleaner after a brass brush cleaning by hand.
part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAOVL3C0dvg
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cdyiy4g930
So, i've taken the injectors out.
before, each injector
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCbY1yS76p4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbP-COShXnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pTbfBMUuz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psQFTET9us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6fz49BVSZ0
and how they should be, ( using a video from my red om617 NA, post cleaning )
cleaned with old nozzle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Fbeg-X6A8
cleaned with new nozzle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzE7D4bCnZM
and how the injectors are currently some of them were so stuck they needed persuading..
and putting them in the ultrasonic cleaner after a brass brush cleaning by hand.
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
The top picture looks like some eejit put loctite thread locker on the thread of the injector?
That is a big no no...
Or could it be the remains of vegetable oil?
What fluid did you use in your Ultrasonic Cleaner?
Bart
That is a big no no...
Or could it be the remains of vegetable oil?
What fluid did you use in your Ultrasonic Cleaner?
Bart
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2012 W212 E250CDI
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
It's the remains of heavy vege oil use.
I use mineral turps, reccomended by a friend who's has a ultrasonic cleaner a lot longer than me.
the nice and clean injector body is the combination of a brass brush as well as the ultrasonic cleaner, either of them by themselves won't get that sort of result.
Currently cleaning injector nozzles, i've got a pretty good idea why lumpy idle, the nozzles were so stuck that when the car heated up, metal expanded and the carbon deposits around the nozzle ect: acted like a gasket and made a tough seal that the car couldn't get through with enough pressure unless the car was off of idle. My random thought on it any ways.
P.S does anyone have the tool to remove the collar and the prechamber ? i would love to give those a clean as well :(
I use mineral turps, reccomended by a friend who's has a ultrasonic cleaner a lot longer than me.
the nice and clean injector body is the combination of a brass brush as well as the ultrasonic cleaner, either of them by themselves won't get that sort of result.
Currently cleaning injector nozzles, i've got a pretty good idea why lumpy idle, the nozzles were so stuck that when the car heated up, metal expanded and the carbon deposits around the nozzle ect: acted like a gasket and made a tough seal that the car couldn't get through with enough pressure unless the car was off of idle. My random thought on it any ways.
P.S does anyone have the tool to remove the collar and the prechamber ? i would love to give those a clean as well :(
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
I don't have the tool, unfortunately.
But have you tried vinegar to dissolve this gunk?
It worked great on carburetors.. and it is dirt cheap
Bart
But have you tried vinegar to dissolve this gunk?
It worked great on carburetors.. and it is dirt cheap
Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
2012 W212 E250CDI
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
2012 W212 E250CDI
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
Yeah, dissolving it would be nice, but it would all go as a liquid into the cylinders :/
I'm wanting to take the prechambers out and put them into my ultrasonic cleaner :)
I'm wanting to take the prechambers out and put them into my ultrasonic cleaner :)
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
Hi ya, I have the tool but may be a bit far away.
Can you post some details of the ultrasonic cleaner ?
btw - Did you ever get those 2 way check valves ?
Can you post some details of the ultrasonic cleaner ?
btw - Did you ever get those 2 way check valves ?
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
Those check valves came through. How much do i owe your for them ?
Oh and sadly it wasnt the valve, i still have a leak narrowing it down to the fuel door or boot.
An overnight satchel to brisbane would be amazing.... just let me know your bank details, more than happy to pay postage costs to get the prechambrr and the collar out so i can clean them.
The ultrasonic is a 3 litre one from ebay. $105.00 with 2 ultrasonic generators in it as well as a heater. Like this one
https://m.ebay.com.au/itm/Digital-Ultra ... ultra.TRS0
Oh and sadly it wasnt the valve, i still have a leak narrowing it down to the fuel door or boot.
An overnight satchel to brisbane would be amazing.... just let me know your bank details, more than happy to pay postage costs to get the prechambrr and the collar out so i can clean them.
The ultrasonic is a 3 litre one from ebay. $105.00 with 2 ultrasonic generators in it as well as a heater. Like this one
https://m.ebay.com.au/itm/Digital-Ultra ... ultra.TRS0
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
I bought this, shipped from the USA.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mercedes-4M ... 2749.l2649
Cost $150 :(
Am i correct in thinking that i need a seperate puller for the prechamber itself ?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mercedes-4M ... 2749.l2649
Cost $150 :(
Am i correct in thinking that i need a seperate puller for the prechamber itself ?
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
Hi - Meant to reply and say yes you can borrow, sorry. There is a puller that screws in and uses a slide hammer to remove or bolt to unscrew to pull out - You could fashion one your self
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/die ... uller.html
Tim/
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/die ... uller.html
Tim/
W123 1981 300TD - Family Kid mover
W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
W123 1984 300TD English 5 Speed Manual
W123 1982 300TD Factory OM617A Turbo (Hans) - Project
W123 1982 300D - OM617 NA (Hektor) - Son's
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)
Past benzes
W114 1969 250CE - PO put in an M110 transplant and nearly sent me around the bend
W123 1981 300TD - "Matilda" - RIP hit front side & rear but left my brother + niece A-OK
Current Projects
Coupe restoration, Turbo Wagon freshen up
W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
W123 1984 300TD English 5 Speed Manual
W123 1982 300TD Factory OM617A Turbo (Hans) - Project
W123 1982 300D - OM617 NA (Hektor) - Son's
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)
Past benzes
W114 1969 250CE - PO put in an M110 transplant and nearly sent me around the bend
W123 1981 300TD - "Matilda" - RIP hit front side & rear but left my brother + niece A-OK
Current Projects
Coupe restoration, Turbo Wagon freshen up
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
looks like with the tool i bought, i may be okay for the collar, but for the prechamber, i'm finding it difficult to find the 22mm bolt/threaded rod with 1mm thread pitch needed.tsharkey wrote: ↑Wed 08 Aug, 2018 7:27 pm Hi - Meant to reply and say yes you can borrow, sorry. There is a puller that screws in and uses a slide hammer to remove or bolt to unscrew to pull out - You could fashion one your self
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/die ... uller.html
Tim/
called machine shops, cost $100 for a 100mm length of M22 with 1mm thread pitch
saw a couple of pieces online, cost me another $150 aud :'(
Should've just bought the one from mercedes source, as it screws into the prechamber to remove the collar and then can be combined with a slide hammer.
Just going to shell out the $150 and get the mercedes source tool, just to be done with it and throw it in the tool box for 10 years until next use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uTuk1RZRjk
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
Aren't the DIY'ers using an old bike crank to get the thread you are after ?mathuisella wrote: ↑Thu 09 Aug, 2018 2:33 am
called machine shops, cost $100 for a 100mm length of M22 with 1mm thread pitch
W123 1981 300TD - Family Kid mover
W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
W123 1984 300TD English 5 Speed Manual
W123 1982 300TD Factory OM617A Turbo (Hans) - Project
W123 1982 300D - OM617 NA (Hektor) - Son's
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)
Past benzes
W114 1969 250CE - PO put in an M110 transplant and nearly sent me around the bend
W123 1981 300TD - "Matilda" - RIP hit front side & rear but left my brother + niece A-OK
Current Projects
Coupe restoration, Turbo Wagon freshen up
W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
W123 1984 300TD English 5 Speed Manual
W123 1982 300TD Factory OM617A Turbo (Hans) - Project
W123 1982 300D - OM617 NA (Hektor) - Son's
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)
Past benzes
W114 1969 250CE - PO put in an M110 transplant and nearly sent me around the bend
W123 1981 300TD - "Matilda" - RIP hit front side & rear but left my brother + niece A-OK
Current Projects
Coupe restoration, Turbo Wagon freshen up
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
I don't have any bicycles :'( there is however a discarded bike a few streets away from me. too bad i just ordered the part from mercedes source. Ah well. It's done now and any other brissie people in the future could borrow the tools off of me.tsharkey wrote: ↑Thu 09 Aug, 2018 2:18 pmAren't the DIY'ers using an old bike crank to get the thread you are after ?mathuisella wrote: ↑Thu 09 Aug, 2018 2:33 am
called machine shops, cost $100 for a 100mm length of M22 with 1mm thread pitch
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
https://youtu.be/nWrJDjCFm9U
after all the following, the engine has lost 99% of it's rough idle, yet to confirm 100% as i'd need to take it for a drive :P
1. fuel injector delivery valves.
2. fuel injectors nozzles.
3. engine mounts.
4. valve adjustment.
5. rocker arm correction.
Just thought to update this specific thread as per the topic of it was directly for the lump idle.
So if you have a lumpy idle, check the list of things as above and if anything is unclear, i'm happy to take pictures and video to help explain :)
after all the following, the engine has lost 99% of it's rough idle, yet to confirm 100% as i'd need to take it for a drive :P
1. fuel injector delivery valves.
2. fuel injectors nozzles.
3. engine mounts.
4. valve adjustment.
5. rocker arm correction.
Just thought to update this specific thread as per the topic of it was directly for the lump idle.
So if you have a lumpy idle, check the list of things as above and if anything is unclear, i'm happy to take pictures and video to help explain :)
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
Still have lumpy idle. unsure where to go from here :/
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
Have you tried IP Rack Damper Adjustment ?
https://mercedessource.com/problems/eng ... adjustment
Is the rough idle only when cold, or only when warm or always ?
https://mercedessource.com/problems/eng ... adjustment
Is the rough idle only when cold, or only when warm or always ?
W123 1981 300TD - Family Kid mover
W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
W123 1984 300TD English 5 Speed Manual
W123 1982 300TD Factory OM617A Turbo (Hans) - Project
W123 1982 300D - OM617 NA (Hektor) - Son's
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)
Past benzes
W114 1969 250CE - PO put in an M110 transplant and nearly sent me around the bend
W123 1981 300TD - "Matilda" - RIP hit front side & rear but left my brother + niece A-OK
Current Projects
Coupe restoration, Turbo Wagon freshen up
W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
W123 1984 300TD English 5 Speed Manual
W123 1982 300TD Factory OM617A Turbo (Hans) - Project
W123 1982 300D - OM617 NA (Hektor) - Son's
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)
Past benzes
W114 1969 250CE - PO put in an M110 transplant and nearly sent me around the bend
W123 1981 300TD - "Matilda" - RIP hit front side & rear but left my brother + niece A-OK
Current Projects
Coupe restoration, Turbo Wagon freshen up
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Re: Have you got a lumpy idle ?
I had a crack at it, i think it's been 'adjusted' all the way in. I didn't notice any difference.tsharkey wrote: ↑Fri 16 Nov, 2018 9:14 am Have you tried IP Rack Damper Adjustment ?
https://mercedessource.com/problems/eng ... adjustment
Is the rough idle only when cold, or only when warm or always ?
the lumps idle seems to be there all the time. It's a lot better than before when i first got the car as the engine mounts, injectors, fuel and air filters have all been changed.