Early 123 wagen questions

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njv
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Early 123 wagen questions

Post by njv » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 12:00 am

Hi guys,
checking out an early (1980) 280te in Aus.
2 things had me puzzled and i thought i knew a bit about the 123 wagens.
this one had only 5 seats, the rear floor was covered by a hinging section that covered the two indents where the seats normally were. i didnt even know 123s came in 5 seat only version? can they be retrofitted?
secondly, the middle seat was a bench, no split middle seat (ie 1/3, 2/3). ive never seen this. it also had no holes for headrests.
was this an early wagen feature or in some markets?
any info appreciated
regards
nathan

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Re: Early 123 wagen questions

Post by 300TDT » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:42 am

I think they are all common options.
I believe the 3rd row seats can be retrofitted with all the addition hardware (incl. seatbelts etc).
I have a 7 seater with a bench 2nd row + 3 x headrests.
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Re: Early 123 wagen questions

Post by tsharkey » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 7:56 pm

njv wrote:
Mon 16 Jul, 2018 12:00 am
i didnt even know 123s came in 5 seat only version? can they be retrofitted?
secondly, the middle seat was a bench, no split middle seat (ie 1/3, 2/3). ive never seen this. it also had no holes for headrests.
was this an early wagen feature or in some markets?
any info appreciated
regards
nathan
Hi Nathan - I have retro fitted the 3rd row seats in 3 wagons over the years. Very easy to do if you have a donor wagon. There was a guy selling most of the 3rd row setup in blue recently on eBay for $75. You will need

- 3rd row Seatbelts - The bolt holes are in the side walls, on the floor beside the wheel arches and along the roof. The toughest part is putting the holein the roof lining in the right spot - I used a pin to locate the mounting point
- LH + RH B Pillar trim with seatbelt holes
- Seat holder that fits onto middle of 2nd row seat - the screw holes are there for it underneath the carpet
- Mounting brackets that fit into the floor for the 3rd row seat
- 3rd row seat (bum pad and back rest)
- wood (yes - WOOD) plank that fills a void at the back of seat when they are all down
- mat that fits into the bays the seat goes into
- carpet with clips that sits runs across the top.

The single bench was never sold here. My english 5 speed has it. If you want to convert to the 2/1 combo, you will need all the levers and clasps from a 2/1 setup. A straight forward conversion but I have never bothered as the 5 speed wagon is a povo pack version (albeit with a sunroof). Also has a nice red interior which I rarely see in a W123, let alone a wagon.
W123 1981 300TD - Family Kid mover
W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
W123 1984 300TD 5 Speed Manual, to teach the kids how to drive
W123 1982 300TD Factory OM617A Turbo (Hans) - Project
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)

Past benzes
W114 1969 250CE - PO put in an M110 transplant and nearly sent me around the bend
W123 1981 300TD - "Matilda" - RIP hit front side & rear but left my brother + niece A-OK

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Coupe restoration, Turbo Wagon freshen up

njv
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Re: Early 123 wagen questions

Post by njv » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:56 pm

Thanks very much guys,
kind of reassuring. to me a wagen is not a wagen if it has 5 seats. real station wagens have 7 seats!
the one i was looking at with 5 had some good aspects, but if im going all in on a full resto, im not going to do it on a 5 seater - it makes no sense.
sharkey, im much happier knowing you can fit the seats. getting another wreck should not be much of a problem at this point in time looking at the gumtree market!
keep you posted on the developments.
regards

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Re: Early 123 wagen questions

Post by njv » Thu 30 Aug, 2018 1:15 am

got the car a month ago. its now running, albeit a bit rich!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGFz5ce ... 0lw03c010c
more work to come

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Re: Early 123 wagen questions

Post by mathuisella » Mon 03 Sep, 2018 6:11 pm

:) did you manage to get the extra seats in ?

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Re: Early 123 wagen questions

Post by njv » Wed 05 Sep, 2018 11:16 pm

Thanks for following up Mat. I need to buy a donor yet, and ive got one in sight!
ill keep you posted but was reassured by tsharkeys notes its doable

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