WTB 300D Turbo,manifold, etc

[peterac]

Hi All

Chasing an STT turbo and all associated parts to put bolt on. If you have a contact let me know please.

Cheers

[julian]

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[peterac]

OK Julien, I'm working on the interpretation?

[julian]

Rare as...
:dance:

[Tony From West Oz]

As rare as.......

[peterac]

Yeah......... but I want one!

[Tony From West Oz]

Why not get a factory one from the USA?

[3DB]

Good point from Tony - I looked into it a while back and it wasn't prohibitively expensive.....well the complete engine probably was at about $5K with a top-end rebuild, delivered to your nearest sea port...but the manifolds were pretty reasonable.

The mob I was talking with were very helpful:

Intake
http://www.dieselmercedes.com/Mercedes_ ... -m67ta.htm

Exhaust - I would go with the EGR version as it gives you a nice port to fit an exhaust gas temperature probe, which I feel is a very good idea when fitting a turbo to a N/A engine, especially if you are going to run more than 7 - 10 PSI of boost and/or add fuel.

http://www.dieselmercedes.com/Mercedes_ ... -m67tz.htm

You can probably find them cheaper too. Ask forum member 'timtams' - I think he bought at least the exhaust from the US and had it shipped over for <$100 all up.

[peterac]

You mean a complete turbo engine? I was hoping to score a kit which would be up my skill
level to bolt on or as usual am I missing something? Hens teeth........

[Tony From West Oz]

Peter,
3DB posted links to images of the inlet and exhaust manifolds for an OM617a (turbodiesel engine).
I am sure that you could bolt them on, with a suitable turbocharger. Coupled with a larger exhaust system it would give a significant increase in usable power.

[tsharkey]

I have brought in 2 complete engines with transmission, as well as just the manifolds and turbo (for a spare, in case one fails)

I would bring in the 2 manifolds, turbo, engine pipe, air cleaner (which is larger), air cleaner mounting bracket, plastic U tube (to connect air cleaner to Turbo) and front snorkle (as it is larger).

This will weight a bit, so see freight would be the way to go. If there is local importer of US cars (Mustangs etc), talk to them. I get my heavyweight stuff brought in via a car / parts importer who has a freight forwarder in California who I send my boxes too which are added to their container, which they bring across every few months. I provide the receipts for the import manifest. That said, haven't done it for a while as I have every thing I need for the moment.

I have someone who will round up all the parts you need from wrecking yards in and around Sacramento if you want to investigate and price this up (although he doesn't do the export bit). He is honest and very picky about how he pulls the parts, labels the item and gives you all the screws, mounting bolt etc. You will pay for this care tho. A few years ago, the W123s were plentiful, not sure if that's the case now.

Some tips,
Don't use the old air cleaner unless you place a wire mesh on the inside, otherwise you run the risk of sucking the whole paper element through the turbo.

You will need to mod the engine pipe slightly to stop it fouling on the steering box (just gets tucked in).

The Air Cleaner needs to shift 5mm closer to the engine so it doesn't foul on the brake master cylinder.

If you did this, it would look factory ...

Also think about how to deliver extra fuel to aid the boost. The turbo IP has an "ALDA" (Automatische LadeDruck Anreicherung) or Automatic load/pressure enrichment. Not sure how this is done without this on the IP, but the after market kits must achieve it some how. I suspect the Turbo IP will not fit on later NA OM617 as there is an small oil lubrication line running to the block.

[peterac]

Thanks everyone for the input. Lol, I was hoping someone would say "oh yeah, I've got a kit, it costs this much" and then we negotiate. I get it, tuck it away until I get time to think about putting it on. Eventually remind myself how to start then work to the finish.

I appreciate the outline you gave Tim, but my brain is already hurting thinking about more than the above. I'm sure it is easier than I imagine organising the import but.....

[230ew123]

so I am correct that Tony is one of the few in Oz which has a Om617 up and running with turbo? I saw somewhere someone got a G wagen with a turbo diesel in Oz, but not many it seems.

It seems an incredible shame that Oz missed out on what is titled one of the greatest diesels ever made.

So which engines from which cars would fit comfortable in a w123 which either came with turbo or can simply upgraded? did any make it to Oz? what about some of the newer cars with indirect injection..

I know what an old diesel is like, last forever but like a slug..turbo would be the way to go.

I wonder what the shipping costs are from the U.S, engine and manifolds?

Gets exciting looking at diesel turbos, but saddened that Oz just simply was over looked.

[Tony From West Oz]

There are a few of us with Factory Turbodiesels (OM617 952) and at least one with an aftermarket Turbo upgrade to their OM617912 engine.
Yes, It was amazing stupidity for MB Aust to not release the turbodiesel engines until the '90s with the C250 and E300 turbodiesels.

[230ew123]

pardon my ignorant questions..

so, it is possible to get an original 300d or even better, station wagon, with the 617912, obtain an inlet and outlet manifold from an american 0m617950 or 617951 turbo engine and attach a suitable turbo (which is/are?..((I guess the turbos from the the 950 or 951))), larger exhaust, perhaps shield the steering and brake booster and fiddle a bit here and there..?

getting my head around it...

also, Tim, I know you have the stuff but is the turbo up and running? very interested in this project..

even have visions of converting a wagon to a ute..!hypothetical of course..when the kids have grown up..

[Tony From West Oz]

Yes, but I would recommend importing the whole engine. That way you get the IP with the boost compensator, an engine designed for the additional heat load on the pistons (Oil sprayers under the piston) and the oil feed for the turbo from the oil filter, in addition to the air cleaner, manifolds and turbo.
I think that the package is a much better proposition. Parts for a full overhaul are a bit pricey, but if you do compression and leak-down checks, or even better drive the car and check for blowby smoke from the oil filler cap, you should be pretty safe.
Even if you wanted to overhaul the engine, you could swap the manifolds and turbo onto your engine while the overhaul of the imported lump is in progress.

Lots to think about, but you need someone you can trust to pick the engine for you. Did you want a USA holiday? You could buy a few, fill a 20' container (3 front halves, filled with rear parts (lights, bumpers, etc) could fit.

Have fun.

[230ew123]

yes the under piston squirters is another factor.

I have friends on the east coast of the states, but the stage of life I am at I would go tour europe and catch up with cousins in France if time and opportunity arises..but I may have to go to the states again perhaps within the next ten years..

so which stock turbo engines would be able to be replaced into a w123 which may already be in oz? is there any straight forward ones?
I got interested in the ssangyong for a bit, but which has mixed reports,
the 5cyl turbo sprinter?,
or would the 202 c250 turbo (once the plastic perishes) be swapped into a w123?...

however, an original w123 turbo would be the most straight forward I imagine..

[Tony From West Oz]

Yes, any of those engines could be made to fit. It may require an adapter plate for the tranny / starter and/or running starter cables to suit the mounting location. The IP is on the same side as for a OM617 for each of those engines, so fuel and return lines are in the right places.
Note that the '98 and 99 OM605 are a fly by wire IP and have the dreaded Shut Down valve and O rings on all low pressure fuel connectors in the engine bay.

[3DB]

There was another thread started on swapping a Ssangyong Musso engine into a W123. I wonder whether the turbo, manifold and supporting bits from a wrecked Musso would bolt up to a Mercedes N/A equivalent (not sure which engine is the equivalent? OM602?). Are they that much of a direct replica?

[John Green]

so I am correct that Tony is one of the few in Oz which has a Om617 up and running with turbo? I saw somewhere someone got a G wagen with a turbo diesel in Oz, but not many it seems.

It seems an incredible shame that Oz missed out on what is titled one of the greatest diesels ever made.

We have built a 300GD with OM617A and intercooler for a good customer, was a big difference from the NA version. Brought a 300TD with OM617A from an old forum member for the engine to do the conversion. Also Derek ??????? who used to have Lyngane Motors in Hornsby still has a 300GD with a modified OM617A engine in it.

There is a 300TD that used to be LHD still getting around. It pops up on eBay every now and then.