New keys for a W123

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New keys for a W123

Post by WJB » Sun 06 Jan, 2019 6:04 pm

Hi everyone,

My recently purchased W123 only came with one key. Are there any recommendations for getting copies made? I'm in Melbourne.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by stumpjumper » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 1:24 am

It can be a complex business, but a good start is to contact your local MB distributor with your car's VIN and ask them to get a copy of the car's data sheet. The distributor in SA did this at no charge for me and it only took about a week.

The data sheet should have on it some key numbers - perhaps for all three original keys. A major locksmith should have the blanks, or you can buy them on eBay.

Whatever you do, get a spare ignition/door key cut and keep it safe. If you weren't aware, W123's are hell on earth to deal with without a key. Not only are they very hard to break into, but getting a key made using the ignition barrel is time-consuming and very expensive. Just getting the ignition barrel out is a pain.
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by WJB » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 3:38 pm

Thanks for the advice.

I called Mercedes today and after providing the car's VIN they were able to locate the car's data sheet (still in German).

It will cost $45 for a new primary key and $25 for a new secondary key and it will take about 2 weeks for the new keys to arrive.

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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by mathuisella » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 4:59 pm

what is the difference in keys ? primary and secondary

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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by gazman » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 7:06 pm

I believe the primary is the master and the secondary is the valet that only works on the doors and ignition. So as to limit access to the boot and glove box :naughty:
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by tsharkey » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 8:03 pm

Just make sure no one has changed the ignition barrel to an after market one. I suspect if your one key works on doors, boot + glovebox as well as ignition, this has not happened.

Might be worth getting the barrel priced and changed. I just did Hektor as the key was jamming and the steering lock getting progressively harder. You don't want to wait until it seizes. I rest the tumblers for the boot, glovebox and door locks to the new ignition barrel key.
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by gazman » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 8:15 pm

To reset the door tumblers is that DIY or a job for a locksmith?
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by markb » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 8:22 pm

tsharkey wrote:
Mon 07 Jan, 2019 8:03 pm
Just make sure no one has changed the ignition barrel to an after market one. I suspect if your one key works on doors, boot + glovebox as well as ignition, this has not happened.

Might be worth getting the barrel priced and changed. I just did Hektor as the key was jamming and the steering lock getting progressively harder. You don't want to wait until it seizes. I rest the tumblers for the boot, glovebox and door locks to the new ignition barrel key.
Hi Tim
Just curious where in Melbourne you got the other 3 re-keyed in Melbourne? ( I currently have 1 key for ignition, 1 for boot, 1 for petrol cap and god knows for doors and glovebox...I have electronic central locking, so the barrels have frozen up after 8 years :banghead: )
Would be good to have 1 key for all :dance:
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by tsharkey » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 8:39 pm

Hi Mark,
I did them myself. Pete49 (who is a locksmith) gave me us this link a few years back. Really useful - https://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t= ... 23#p160937
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W202 1998 C250D Factory OM605A Turbo - Partner's daily driver
W123 1982 300CD Retro fitted OM617A Turbo - Mine
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W123 1982 300D - OM617 NA (Hektor) - Son's
W123 1985 230TE - Brother's
W123 1985 300D - Sister in Law's
1962 S-Series Valiant (Tho Daimler & Chrysler divorced, still part of the extended family)

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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by stumpjumper » Mon 07 Jan, 2019 9:30 pm

Hi Mark

I think I was wrong about 3 original keys. When I bought my car, there were 3 keys, but 2 were ignition/door/boot keys.

I'm in Adelaide, and Nelson Locksmiths here had the blanks for the main key and the valet key - even with cutting a lot cheaper than new keys from MB. There are cheaper blanks on eBay too.

I don't think W123s came with a locking fuel cap, so your fuel cap may be an aftermarket one.

Tim

PS I read that Frank Sinatra hated keys and liked one key that unlocked his car, house, briefcase etc. It didn't say how he did that.
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by markb » Tue 08 Jan, 2019 5:12 am

stumpjumper wrote:
Mon 07 Jan, 2019 9:30 pm
Hi Mark

I don't think W123s came with a locking fuel cap, so your fuel cap may be an aftermarket one.
Yes, I know the fuel cap is an aftermarket one, as I bought it on fleabay from a guy in Adelaide....
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by markb » Tue 08 Jan, 2019 5:14 am

stumpjumper wrote:
Mon 07 Jan, 2019 9:30 pm
Hi Mark

I don't think W123s came with a locking fuel cap, so your fuel cap may be an aftermarket one.
Tim, yes, I know the fuel cap is an aftermarket one, as I bought it on fleabay from a guy in Adelaide....

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1987 S124 230TE Diamond Blue (2002-2007 Family cruiser)
1983 W126 280SE Champagne 106k Klms (Custodian in 2013)
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by stumpjumper » Tue 08 Jan, 2019 11:29 am

I've just taken my own advice and went to Nelson Locksmiths to get another ignition key for my W123. I now have two spares.

It's a good feeling. I know from experience the difficulty of getting into a W123 if you're locked out, let alone rekeying the ignition barrel.

You have to work fairly hard to lock the keys inside a W123, but it can be done. I left mine on the aircleaner cover of the locked car, and closed the bonnet. That wasn't a smart move.

Nelson Locksmith said they can usually cut a MB key given the code from the data card, but not always. The cost is $10 including the blank, which is a plain silver key without the fancy black handle.

The guy said he's happy to post a key to Melbourne, if you send them the code.

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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by spock1 » Fri 11 Jan, 2019 8:32 pm

Not sure if this helps but I recently lost the ignition key for my 300d 1981....Locksmith told me to bring in the drivers door lock and opening mechanism and he cut a new key for the ignition for me....cost $20. works like a charm.

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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by John Green » Sat 12 Jan, 2019 8:21 am

WJB wrote:
Mon 07 Jan, 2019 3:38 pm
Thanks for the advice.

I called Mercedes today and after providing the car's VIN they were able to locate the car's data sheet (still in German).

It will cost $45 for a new primary key and $25 for a new secondary key and it will take about 2 weeks for the new keys to arrive.
Will be interested to see how this goes. have a read of this thread:

https://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t ... rd#p181999

Towards the end of last year the cost of getting the dealer to access the datacard went from free to $190.00
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by WJB » Sun 13 Jan, 2019 8:19 am

MB scanned and emailed me a copy of my car's data sheet. It's all in German. A column of numbers down the left with a description of each on the right. Not having seen a data sheet before I have no idea what I'm looking at.

John, I saw the post of your gold 230e. Looks in incredible condition.

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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by John Green » Sun 13 Jan, 2019 8:40 am

WJB wrote:
Sun 13 Jan, 2019 8:19 am
MB scanned and emailed me a copy of my car's data sheet. It's all in German. A column of numbers down the left with a description of each on the right. Not having seen a data sheet before I have no idea what I'm looking at.

John, I saw the post of your gold 230e. Looks in incredible condition.
Interesting, I wonder if they have reversed there decision due to the public outrage at it? Any chance you can scan it and post it up here, interested to see what it looks like?

One other possibility is that the MB dealer you have used, has kept the datacards from the times when all the dealers had them, rather than just throwing them out like many dealers did.
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Re: New keys for a W123

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 13 Jan, 2019 9:25 am

WJB wrote:
Sun 13 Jan, 2019 8:19 am
MB scanned and emailed me a copy of my car's data sheet. It's all in German. A column of numbers down the left with a description of each on the right. Not having seen a data sheet before I have no idea what I'm looking at.

John, I saw the post of your gold 230e. Looks in incredible condition.
You can get a free Google translation App for your smart phone. Use the camera on the phone and you can get an instant translation.
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