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Post by AMG » Tue 27 Mar, 2018 4:58 pm

Looks like the Aussie bowlers got busted playing with their balls...

Then again, At least they admitted to playing with their balls, unlike the past denials from other players.

Thing is though, If you're caught playing with your balls, or tampering with someone elses balls, it is a slightly embarrassing scenario.

Let's hope the analogy of bowling maiden overs isn't fused with always playing with their balls either.

And the ACB is going to give the lads a right bollocking over it, and it's likely the offenders will walk out of the dressing room with their tail end having copped a hiding.

It just shows that dishonesty (cheating) in sport is more prevalent than many would believe and it's quite pathetic that people still believe that the only advantage you can have is an unfair one.

Apart from bringing the nation's reputation for sportsmanship into disrepute, they should be publicly shamed.

I say this for all sports where a person is chosen to represent his or her nation at any international event.

The expectation is that you shall give it your best.
The expectation of your nation is that you behave in a manner that is respectable
The understanding is that the publicity of the sport you participate in now makes you a household name.
Whether you like it or not, you will be seen as a role model.
Your behaviour at all times is subject to public scrutiny, and whether you like it or not, the behavioural standards levelled upon you as a national sporting representative dictate that your behaviour should be beyond reproach.

If a person is selected to represent their nation, surely the governing body makes it very clear to those chosen that the expectations that come with this selection mean that those terms are not-negotiable.

They banned Dawn fraser for life, for stealing the olympic flag.
Cyclists have been stripped of medals and yellow jersey's for illegal substance use

If you tamper with your balls..... well.... :violent3: Howzat?

I guess if they got caught with their hands on middle stump they'd just be called a bunch of wankers....

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Post by Christo C » Tue 27 Mar, 2018 6:27 pm

Dishonesty & cheating .... all prerequisites to brilliant career in Banking.
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Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 27 Mar, 2018 7:10 pm

Poorly timed since the Commonwealth games are imminent at the Gold Coast.

The foreign crowd are likely to hand out some stick to the Aussie athletes as a follow on. :whistle:

Our players might have the excuse that every other team does it - but the moral of the story is don't get caught and then try and cover it up.
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 27 Mar, 2018 9:19 pm

I see something else at play here. A lot of publicity has been splashed on something which is of very little importance in the scheme of things. Why? The public needs to have it's attention drawn away from the outcry surrounding the looming racist genocide in South Africa. Dutton, a possible future PM is at odds with Turnbull and Co. So the media have gone all out to support their man (if you can call him that) Turnbull, in Canberra. I actually have deep family Roots in South Africa with two towns named after my GGG grandfather, two Cousins were MP's there (one founded the movement which gave birth to the ANC ) and one of my GGGrandfathers was born there after his parents moved there from St Helena in the Atlantic. So i have always watched it closely. Did anyone know several thousand people marched in brisbane last week in Support of the white Farmers being killed there right now? http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/ ... 49a105d0e

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Post by CraigB » Wed 28 Mar, 2018 10:00 pm

Certainly a lot of media focus

People steal, rape, bash, murder etc etc and we still don't hang them. We accept they have done the wrong thing and then focus on rehabilitating them and releasing etc. The point I have been making to my boys (and others who have remarked to me "oh yeah, hadn't thought about it that way") - also only relying on media who i don't trust - but what i have seen is that those responsible have said "we have done the wrong thing" - full stop - no excuses, no trying to dodge or blame somebody else etc, just they have done the thing and they can't change that now. I'm not used to that sort of response these days - always seems to be somebody elses fault, some reason why its not that bad etc etc. - listen to politicians talk! They will be punished but I have no doubts the real 'life sentence' will be that no matter their achievements there will always be a "but" attached to it. Anyway, just seemed to be an example of having a bad situation and making it better rather than worse - just seemed to be a point missed in what i have seen.
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Post by AMG » Thu 29 Mar, 2018 7:44 am

From what I heard Warner & Smith got 12 months in the sin-bin and Bancroft got 9 months with good behaviour

Whilst I understand your point Craig, this managed omission is simply not enough - they need to "cop it sweet".
the problem is the attitude is still there... You can see from their body language that they thought they could get away with it and to a large extent they have-, this non-deterrent sentence/punishment acts as a precedent for every other offender that should come along from now on..

The problem is the ban is almost an incentive/encouragement - not condemnation of the act itself.

So what it really amounts to is this.....
Cheat. by all means - try your best, see how long you can get away with it.

That's something we associate with South Africa, India, America, Russia, China and all the drug cheat individuals the world over.

So we should all follow the cheats mantra:
"When" you get caught - admit it. "no excuses"
cop your 12 month ban, be back on the scene and playing straight after.

I disagree - the bastards should be banned for a minimum of 5 years. Long enough so that it becomes a serious disincentive.
If the message isn't clear enough already - cheating in any way shape or form is not just an end to your professional sporting career, but also the financial windfall that you derive from it. (and we need to qualify that - Cricket Australia is a Professional sporting body.... these people all get paid to play. it's not like the majority of olympians / commonwealth games athletes who have a day job to make ends meet).

1. bringing the sport into disrepute.
2. inadequate sentencing
3. no 'fine' mentioned

It really is a get out of jail free card for the lads.
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Post by CraigB » Thu 29 Mar, 2018 9:27 am

No arguments on penalties - I just haven't followed it enough or thought about that side of it.

No argument to 'cop it sweet' and i thought the initial interviews were saying that and i didn't see the body language you refer to. But that has all gone out the window for me if the news report I heard this morning is true and they lied about using tape when it was sandpaper. That was my point - do something stupid and then from that point on prove that you recognise that and you change forever. One detail with the sandpaper and they are doing exactly the opposite to my point - trying to get away with it etc., lessen the impact etc. etc. I am also hearing commentary like "no other country would just give 12 month ban etc." - Once again, take a situation, accept it is wrong/bad -its history by then and its all about making your next moves right and not continuing the wrong. I like to look for the half full glass, just a bit dissapointed this morning that I don't think it is there!
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Post by T-Modell » Thu 29 Mar, 2018 12:19 pm

It's a good thing, that I'm not interested in cricket; I told my wife (who's a fan), that I wait to understand the game, until it is fully developed. As far as I know, they're still testing :laughing6:
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Post by AMG » Thu 29 Mar, 2018 4:46 pm

CraigB wrote:
Thu 29 Mar, 2018 9:27 am
No arguments on penalties - I just haven't followed it enough or thought about that side of it.
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I like to look for the half full glass, just a bit dissapointed this morning that I don't think it is there!
Yeah Agree. I think someone took your glass while you were asleep and emptied it out on the lawn. Maybe they were trying to fix the cracks in the pitch :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :occasion5: :occasion5: :occasion5:
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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 29 Mar, 2018 10:03 pm

Thomas, The testing has improved somewhat since a few years ago.

In the old days the testing took 6 days at a time - now it only takes 5. There was also the saga of a the bowler taking 8 goes at time trying knocking to knock the batsmen's heads off - now they can only try it in 6 goes.

If you think the cricket mob have no morals then just listen to FM radio hosts or the Chanel Ten 7:00pm TV show hosts. :dontknow:
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Post by Ludwig » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 10:12 pm

now come on you guys. be honest. put the blame where it belongs.
WITH THE FANS
they (you) insist upon wins and wont watch if their team consistently loses. they (you) don't watch....the advertisers don't spend....advertisers don't spend......no more cricket.
if you want to see who is to blame. go and look in the mirror.
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Post by Christo C » Sun 01 Apr, 2018 12:37 pm

Thats stretching logic beyond its limit. Nowhere do fans require cheating at any level.
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