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$1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sun 16 Feb, 2014 6:10 pm
by bahnstormer109
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BECKER-MEXIC ... 4ad01ed1b1

Here on ebay someone is selling a reconditioned Becker Mexico for $1000. It has some sort of Bluetooth thing added into it.

Is this really where these radios are heading or is this seller dreaming?

I have a spare one of these and if they are fetching these prices, I'm not sure if I should cash in and sell mine, or keep it in case I need one one day and can't afford to buy one!

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sun 16 Feb, 2014 6:19 pm
by markb
Yeah I saw that one too Paolo...gone are the days when you could pick one up at the wreckers for $200 with amp, as I did back in 2000. ( out of an early 123 at Mercwreck for my 71 108 )

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sun 16 Feb, 2014 6:45 pm
by John Green
We get $250.00 for these working or not, so I would suggest that by the time the Bluetooth is added and it is rebuilt, that is what they are worth...

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sun 16 Feb, 2014 7:11 pm
by T-Modell
If you want a refurbished Becker like this here (from a professional repair shop like Koenigs), you're talking 600-1000 Euros. Even on Ebay 300-600 Euros (and then you have no guarantee etc.) are not uncommon.

Becker Mexico Retros are around 2.400-3.000 Euros at the moment ... :banghead:
Thomas

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sun 16 Feb, 2014 10:52 pm
by kimrh
You can get your Becker radio overhauled and at the same time have bluetooth/music streaming etc installed by this local guy in Sydney - Michael Nguyen
He even sells units he has purchased and restored himself when he has them in stock - but most times he just overhauls yours (you post to him and he posts back)
To re-furb yours he charges $200 / adding music streaming aux input with hidden input $100 or instead adding bluetooth $150
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121273471791 ... 26_rdc%3D1

Quote from his ebay advert
For those who know, the legendary Becker is timeless, the system sounds great and nothing compared to original look.
Unfortunately some electrical stuffs don't last forever and one fine day it may refuse to work.
So if you really value the original, don't let any crappy aftermarket get into your vintage.
I also offer bluetooth music streaming into the unit, non-instrusive and completely hidden away.
If you have original phone kit, I can integrate bluetooth handsfree into it too.
It'd work and look exactly like original, only that with your modern phone and without the wire.
For Mercedes, I have working Becker units for sale (Pacific and Mexico 2000) - please contact.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 12:16 am
by Greg in Oz
The only reason you would want one of these is to retain a period-correct appearance. They don't perform particularly well and sound very ordinary. Refurbishing them will restore their original (very ordinary) 1960s performance and adding Bluetooth will just mean you can listen to your modern music storage device with very ordinary sound quality.

I still have the one I removed from my 350SLC back when I purchased the car in 1983. I put it aside in case I ever wanted to restore the original appearance and replaced it with a modern (for the early 1980s) fully-featured (with Dolby noise reduction, separate tone controls, etc.) stereo radio cassette player that sounded vastly superior to the old Becker.

The first Becker I have ever owned that offers good sound quality, performance and range of features is the 2140 Grand Prix in our 300TE. The 2140 is almost identical (except for a couple of minor features) to the 2340 (or 2340AV) Mexico often seen fitted to W140 S-Class which were known for their good sound systems. The only failing with the system in our 300TE (apart from a lack of bass from the small speakers which I addressed with an active sub-woofer) is the Becker 2630 Silverstone 10 CD changer which occasionally misbehaves. I believe this CD changer is essentially a re-badged Sony which was the case with many of the units from that era, including the almost identical Eurovox CD changer in my 190E (which has stopped working completely).

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 8:48 am
by redlaser
The older Becker is now an ordinary radio I find...there are certainly better and cheaper ones about with digital reception and CD stacker and a rotating volume control!! ...BUT... I'm not about to change my fiddly Becker 'cos I'm a pretentious sort!!...Surely only a Merc owner wud insist on retaining a Becker radio?

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 9:40 am
by KimB
I agree with Greg.

Maintaining the original Becker is for the diehard enthusiast. We upgraded all three cars to good quality Pioneer units with Bluetooth phone connectivity. It was a case of chalk and cheese compared to the 80s Becker units. Two of the Becker units had died natural deaths anyway, so switching to modern units was a no brainer. Mind you we have kept the Beckers in case the cars are sold later to that "diehard enthusiast".

Cheers
Kim

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 11:14 am
by Greg in Oz
Yes, maintaining the original unit is for the enthusiast although I like to retain the original appearance or at least one that is period correct. For a daily driver there is probably a good argument for updating the audio although I would recommend this be done in a mannner that is totally reversible (as should be attempted with all mods). One day someone may want and will value the car if everything is original.

If the car is an enthusiast "weekend" car then there is probably a good argument for leaving the original equipment in place. One possible option is to disconnect at least one pair of speakers from the radio (preferably the best sounding pair) and connect them to a hidden power amp with its input supplied from a bluetooth receiver or just a cable with a 3.5mm stereo jack plug. This allows a phone or MP3 or similar player to be used as the music source.

The original Becker Mexico in my 500SLC is crap but for originality I will be leaving it there. I may one day investigate the hidden amp idea if I can achieve that without irreversibly modifying the car. For now, I will just enjoy the V8 "music" from under the bonnet, and my navigator's instructions.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 11:31 am
by scorchi0
Greg in Oz wrote:...I would recommend this be done in a mannner that is totally reversible...
Totally agree.

I've recently replaced the Becker 1402 in my 300TE with a Kenwood unit (bluetooth, ipod etc etc). Tried to go for something that's not too hideous (I'd say 95% of modern head units are ugly) and most definitely didn't want to butcher the wiring on the car.

This was my option.
Image

Since new head units in Australia don't come with the ISO plugs, I cut them off and soldered the Kenwood wiring harness to the one above. Just had to make up a couple of bridge pieces for the fader plug to loop through to the rear speakers so nothing was cut in the car harness.

Sorry, a little off topic..
cheers,
Trent

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 12:41 pm
by bahnstormer109
Non-original radios are a huge pet hate of mine and I always rip out any new CD player and convert my cars back to whatever Becker model it is supposed to have. Seeing a Benz for sale without its Becker even puts me off buying the car. People hack up all the wiring in the dash and bypass the speaker fader switch etc to change the radios and cause more problems.

The 230TE I'm fixing up at the moment has a new flip face colourfully illuminated CD player that had USB cords hanging out of it that is just atrocious. It's tacky, cheap looking and makes the car look like it's been driven by a teenager. The buttons are tiny and it's far to complicated to work the functions while sitting in the garage let alone while driving. It will be going in the bin.

I don't understand this notion of "modernising" an old car? I like old cars because they are old. They're simplicity is relaxing. If I wanted to talk to my dashboard I'd buy a new car.

I feel kind of embarrassed for the driver when I see an old car with modern mag wheels clear indicators new stereo and speakers and parking sensors cut into the bumpers. It's like they wish they could have a new car but can't afford one so they had to bastardise what they already had instead. I feel sorry for them.

If anyone has an unwanted Becker send it on to me working or not!

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 2:29 pm
by Ivanerrol
Greg in Oz wrote: The first Becker I have ever owned that offers good sound quality, performance and range of features is the 2140 Grand Prix in our 300TE. The 2140 is almost identical (except for a couple of minor features) to the 2340 (or 2340AV) Mexico often seen fitted to W140 S-Class which were known for their good sound systems.
The knock'em dead sound from the W140 system was due to properly engineered analogue Bose amp and speakers that were fitted rather than the head unit.
The head unit you picture in your images was not the one installed in my W140.

It's everyman to their own taste when it comes to audio.
I would have to admit that the garish LCD and LED displays on modern units seem to emanate from the boy racer style. - I have one on the pioneer headunit in the W210. :whistle:

The older Becker units were first class stuff - for their time. They were far better units than the A.W.A.'s and Clarion units installed in the bread and butter cars of the period.
The radio in my 1971 HG Foldin was a 6 transistor Clarion - It was an optional extra -it came with one in front dash speaker. It was a $100.00 - dealer fitted.
There were 8 transistor, 9 transistor and 12 transistor models also as an option with a corresponding cost increment.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 3:54 pm
by redlaser
Back in the good ole daze..my 1954 Vanguard didn't have a radio so I fitted a valve Ferris complete with vibrator power supply under the dash of course...worked well as in them times radios had an RF stage allowing day and night time interstate stations to be pulled in...but if you left the radio on whilst stationary at the drive in say, the Ferris drained the battery quick!!...now a days, there's no RF stage as radios gotta sound like FM with a receive radius that covers about 35-55 kms!!...can't recall if my 1959 220S had a daddyo (what we called 'em then!) fitted?

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Mon 17 Feb, 2014 4:20 pm
by Ivanerrol
redlaser wrote:Back in the good ole daze..my 1954 Vanguard didn't have a radio so I fitted a valve Ferris complete with vibrator power supply under the dash of course...worked well as in them times radios had an RF stage allowing day and night time interstate stations to be pulled in...but if you left the radio on whilst stationary at the drive in say, the Ferris drained the battery quick!!...now a days, there's no RF stage as radios gotta sound like FM with a receive radius that covers about 35-55 kms!!...can't recall if my 1959 220S had a daddyo (what we called 'em then!) fitted?
Many years ago B.I.L. gave me one of thoses Ferris units to fix. I passed it on to some one else who passed it on to some one else etc etc.
It was in a '57 Chev.

Radio's didn't become prevalent until the Japanese started installing them in their cars as a no cost option. Wakened the OZ manufacturers up quick smart.

What happened to the '54 Vangaurd?

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Tue 18 Feb, 2014 1:11 am
by Greg in Oz
redlaser wrote:Back in the good ole daze..my 1954 Vanguard didn't have a radio so I fitted a valve Ferris complete with vibrator power supply under the dash of course...worked well as in them times radios had an RF stage allowing day and night time interstate stations to be pulled in...but if you left the radio on whilst stationary at the drive in say, the Ferris drained the battery quick!!...now a days, there's no RF stage as radios gotta sound like FM with a receive radius that covers about 35-55 kms!!...can't recall if my 1959 220S had a daddyo (what we called 'em then!) fitted?
I remember way back when my grandfather was alive and had an early (c1961) "Splitty" VW van (like a Kombi but without side windows) as his work van. He managed to find a used "period correct" valve radio (complete with inbuilt vibrator power supply) which he asked me to fit and wire for him. It fitted the intended opening in the metal dash perfectly. The only problem was the vibrator resonated through the entire metal dash and was almost louder than the sound from the speaker! Wish we still had the VW van today given their current values. My grandfather's was given away for free when he had no further need for it.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sat 22 Feb, 2014 8:13 am
by pianoman+88
Funny this topic comes up right now, as I'm in the process of deciding what to do with mine. A previous idiot owner of the car had removed the lot, but kept it in a box, so I have the original Becker Mexico with CD player & separate boot mounted amp that was in my 560 as new. It's at Soundlabs now for evaluation, and the tech there has given me three options.
1: Sell it as a partially working spare, the front end & CD are fine, along with the long multi-core cables ( they are perfect) but the amp has leaking capacitors, so is very problematic, for about $600.
2: They can fully repair it for about $800+ but with no warranty. Then the complex process of re-installing it to the 560 would take a further $700 to $1000 to complete. That's a big job, removing seats, carpets, dash, etc etc. It would still have no guarantee of continued good operation.
3: Buy a restored period Becker with cassette player (who uses them anymore??) for about $600 plus installation.
So, my decision is to upgrade to a high end current Blaupunkt for $550 installed. It may not have the totally original look of the Becker, but will still be a high-end German system with much better sound. Given the innate silence of my 560, that's rather important. So, I guess, with all that, the working $1000 Becker is looking actually like a bit of a bargain.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sat 22 Feb, 2014 1:40 pm
by AMG
I posted a thread years ago regarding the stereo upgrade I did in Schultz.
I copped a lot of flack for upgrading the headunit to an Alpine.

Still have that unit, but it's now in Gretel, serving duty as a device to fill a DIN sized hole. Sure it's nice and all, but I'll think about an upgrade in the future.

In Lurch, I used a Pioneer DEX-88Prs headunit. it's NLA, but was the companies flagship unit which contained an amp, time alignment EQ - by far the most important requirement in a car for good quality sound.

I purchased a DEX-99PRS a few years ago, as I heard they were going to cease production. it's damn expensive.

The only unit I would actually condsider to replace a Becker unit, to keep a period correct look is a Nakamichi CD700ii Because, quite honestly, you can waste a bucketload of money on other fancypants brand names - bose mcintosh etc... and get junk sound out of them.

one can spend stupid sums of money on audio equipment - be it home or car. Everyone hears things differently too, so what sounds good to you may not sound good to anyone else. Very subjective analysis traits in audiophile commentaries.

You can analyze these things with all the high end test equipment too, but that doesn't mean it sounds nice either. Some of the most expensive HiFi I have listened to sounds worse that a 20 year old $200 amplifier hooked up to a crappy FM signal.

In competitive SQ competition, 2 headunits consistently front the winners circle. those are the Nakamichi, the Pioneer 99. The Naka is a great source unit for hi fidelity CD's. The 99 is as good, but adds high end electronics - time alignment EQ and very high specification preamplifiers - it's designed to be that way. The Naka is just good out of the box, without pretentious traits.

So is a becker mexico worth a grand with bluetooth??? not in my opinion. If I want originality, I don't modify.

It's why Hermann is totally unmolested and has the original headunit. if I want to play the ipod, I simply use the age old headphone-cassette adapter. Yes, it is a little cumbersome.

I much prefer the sound of the engine in all my mercedes, to the sound of the stereo - since I no longer have a 2 hour each-way commute to work. I used to like having a stereo. Now I'm liking not having it.

I'm sure I'll go through all the process again one day, but it's not important to me to retain an old looking headunit if you want modern technology. If there isn't anything that is in keeping with the interior, then I simply wouldn't install it.

This is why I think owners of old mercedes need to have a car they can bastardise and not worry about. and one car to cherish. One car to drive on nice days, one car to drive in spring & summer, and one car to drive friends around in, without being seen as either too pretentious or too cheap.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sat 22 Feb, 2014 10:16 pm
by kimrh
I am with you on this one Joe re the quality of the original Naks - as i have both a Nakamichi CD400 and a MBV1 yet to instal into both my SEC's - plus i sourced two sets a late Gen2 door covers with door mount speakers and the factory speaker frames so i could go to a 6 speaker system in both coupes.
I am open to advice on what modern speakers to source and if any amps are needed for a simple crisp clear sound that i hope to get the most from the Nak units?
No expert at all on system instals as to what matches what but handy in actually doing the install work.
So without getting too complicated what would be a good set up to match to the the Nak head units?
I have heard the "infinity speakers" by Harmon are a good match but have yet to look into it.

To tell you the truth i prefer to hear the sound of the engine singing most times and hardly use the radio

I do have about 5 Becker Mexico cassette head units stashed away in a box plus the earlier Kenwood KMD 673R headunits with boot mounted stacker/amp that are still in both coupes when i bought them (they must have been a popular swap when CD's came out for some reason for the W126 - one unit even has a matching burlwood face plate)
Anyone pitch in as to why both coupes would have these Kenwood headunits chosen back when they came out?

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Tue 11 Mar, 2014 6:16 pm
by tsharkey
For my full HiFi Upgrade involving a Becker.

I got a pure highway 300Di DAB+ and iPod adaptor from the UK, put it infront of a Becker 1402, which tunes into it via the FM Radio.

Get ahold of the "001 820 63 89" module which were common in the US (where they added seperate Left & Right amps for the additional 4 speakers) which plugs into the back and gives you line out, then make a cable and add a high quality car amp (In my case - Class D NAKAMICHI NGTD4 which doesn't generate too much heat and is small) using the 25watt ouputs of the Becker to drive a sub or another set of speakers. I have a Pioneer TS-WX11A underseat sub (From Germany as not sold here. Under pasaanger seat as no where else to put it in the wagon). Add 4 x Polk 4" Coaxial Speakers (as that is all that will fit in my speaker holes).

The 300TD never sounded so good. Can even down out the OM617 if you wanted to go deaf.

This set me back around $650 all up.

Benefits:-
1: Original Becker look in the car (OK, W123 had an earlier variant, the 612 which doesn't have the line out option, so not 100% correct. I could use one of the earlier models that had the seperate amp, but I got the radio for $35 from Imlachs)
2: Strong (50watts RMS x 4 Channels), clean sound. No leaky capacitor issues there.
3: Digital Radio (handy driving around Mel Metro) plus proper iPod management
4: Discrete iPod \ DAB+ display which sits up high.
5: 100% reversable.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Wed 12 Mar, 2014 1:17 am
by m48pro69
Hi guys this is an area i do know about as i have more than a few trophies from national car audio competitions. When i was competing in the 90's i still have my Nakamichi tape deck and music bank cd changer. The tape deck controls the cd changer it was about 2800 for both from memory back in the 90's. The music bank is not like normal cd changer it does not have cartridge it loads each cd one at a time on draw like desktop computer. As for sound quality for over the last decade only one cd player matters in competion http://www.clarion.com/au/en/products/2 ... 36084.html nothing else comes close but it list at $2000 . I have a few friends who still compete. As for speakers dynaudio or focal. If SQ is al that matters anyone can make bass but to make it sound good that is the challenge :dance:

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Wed 12 Mar, 2014 1:42 am
by m48pro69
You can wire a 3.5 mm jack into your 6 pin co :dance: nector but this is the easiest way if keeping becker head unit is important http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/p/M-06 ... +Modulator

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Wed 26 Mar, 2014 10:19 pm
by metrofarm
bahnstormer109 wrote:http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BECKER-MEXIC ... 4ad01ed1b1

Here on ebay someone is selling a reconditioned Becker Mexico for $1000. It has some sort of Bluetooth thing added into it.

Is this really where these radios are heading or is this seller dreaming?

I have a spare one of these and if they are fetching these prices, I'm not sure if I should cash in and sell mine, or keep it in case I need one one day and can't afford to buy one!
$1000 sounds like internet prices .

I don't know if I could be bothered with the Bluetooth for a vintage setup when you can buy handsfree Bluetooth things that clip onto the sun visor for 15 bucks or so. But I can see the attraction of having a vintage Becker in a 45 year old car. But not for 1000 bucks. I've got two of these pinstripe units now, complete with the subsidiary amp that the speakers connect to. Both cost me 22 bucks from a 'You Pull-it' type of wrecker. I suspect that was just luck though. I've tested mine and they both work, well the radios do (don't have any cassettes), and they do need some light globes inside to be replaced, but a basic service shouldn't be too much. In a vintage car that I'm not using everyday, well probably good enough.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Thu 27 Mar, 2014 4:56 pm
by konrad
Enough already.................the gentle purr of a well tuned Mercedes engine and the slight hum of tyres on the road is music enough. If you want quality sound then stay home and listen to your sound system there.

Re: $1000 Becker Mexico ?

Posted: Sat 25 Aug, 2018 9:41 pm
by SW4
In the pursuit of period correct features in my 1986 UK delivered 560 SEC restoration I now turn some of my attention to the original radio. The MB Data Card says this car was equipped with option #251 Becker Radio Mexico Cassette, Full Stereo Electronic. From my research I believe the original radio to be a Becker Mexico BE 753.

Sometime in the cars history a new Becker unit was added with a CD stacker in the boot. I don't want this in the car and want to go back to the original specifications.
This brings me to my next few questions. I have removed the rear seats expected two amplifiers to be there but to no avail. There doesn't seem to be a tuning box in the boot of the car either. Would this car have come out with this as part of the radio and do you really think that during the update it has been removed?

If I have to reinstall all the original equipment is this going to be a costly exercise? Who would be capable of doing this kind of work in Queensland?

Thanks