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Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Fri 01 Aug, 2014 10:01 am

Hi there as you see my Name Damo, and I am about to embark on the wallet thrashing of a life time building a 190e Track day car.
Locally the series is dominated by that other well know German brand with a prop on the logo, so we wanted something different and to surprise the hell out of them when come up on their rear bumper.

So basically I don't even get to drive it, because its for my 14 year daughter, I get to pay the bills, scratch and scrape my knuckles and swing spanners while she gets all the glory ( provided she actually wins).
This a progressive en devour, the car we bought is a 1985 190e, lowered with sports wheels and a body kit, ( which will be replaced with a EVOI kit at a later stage.( We cant use the EVOII kit as the rear wing and guards are too big).
Now bearing in mind she has raced Go-karts since she was 5 years old the first step is to get her to learn to drive a manual car, so the car will pretty well stay as we got it for a while, until she is up to speed driving it fast, and to the limits of its tuning status Ie None!
Then next step is up the braking capabilities, Im thinking of w124 E320 brake calipers and Rotors, and to add some minor suspension twweks like caster plates and up-rated shocks.
Next A Roll cage and sending to Jenny Craig for a weight reduction, erm gutting it of everything it doesn't need!
She will then go in some Sprint and time trials to get her uesed to other people on the track, and running with them.
Then it will be more suspension upgrades in the order of Coil overs, and the full monty trick suspension, and bracing brakes.
And some light racing work.
Last stage will be a heart transplant in the order of a 3.2 Six with an EFI conversion and that will develop as the coin comes in to race spec.

That is the plan, so if any of you have ideas on cost saving stuff and ideas how to make this thing hall ass then please feel free to comment. I will add to this as we go along, and hopefully inspire some more 190es to go racing. We cant let the Bavarian's dominate any longer!

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by AMG » Sat 02 Aug, 2014 4:32 am

Welcome to the asylum!

I think it all depends on what class of racing you are competing in - as to the type and level of modification allowed.

however, without knowing what kind of 190e you have, it makes it a little difficult.

the 201.029 has the added benefit of having a removable radiator support panel, annd being a 6cyl car already, has the necessary go to be competitive in say a club sprint event, with a few small modifications.

fastest way to go faster is to strip all the interior out.
less mass = increase in power to weight ratio.
second thing, replace the suspension bushes. Wholesale. with urethane.
adjustable rear links for the rear, and a good alignment, enough to get about 2º neg camber and about 1.5mm toe in (total) on the rear.

On the front, an increase in front bar - while increasing propensity for understeer, will net much less body roll until you can get coilovers.
caster is about 10º30' camber about -3º (optimal, but get 2 on standard kit is good going) and about 1.0mm toe out total, to assist with quick turn-in response.

H&R do good replacement sport cup kit's or even the springs alone, which stiffen it up and drop about 40mm. Bilstein B8 for a car that can be driven to and from the track as well as run on the track (compromise)
wheels: get some r129 (evo1) 16x8 ET34 15 hole OE rims, or the lightweight CLK rims and stick some R spec rubber in a 205/50 R16. delrin guard spacers -15mm to get more clearance on the front. Thats enough to get the grip. Also gives you some sidewall on the tyre to go kerb-hopping and the evo rims are STRONG and will take punishment like no other. 17" rims have more tyre choice, but tyre width becomes critical and youre increasing unsprung mass. save the large wheels for the bodykit conversion.

Ground Control make a 190e coilover kit with adjustable koni dampers and eibach 2.5" springs. adjustable perches etc... runs to over $2.5K for the lot. I am sure Jay has got a few kits, but you want to try a few other things first... it's a lot of money to drop on dampers and springs.
1. adjustable front camber plates.
heavier rear swaybar (I mean MUCH bigger - 19-22mm) you can get these from fulcrum (they have all the selby swaybar presses etc) and hedgehog motorsport (aka Supornsak or "AKE" as we know him) has all the urethane bushes, incl. rear subframe. you want a 90-95 shore A hardness polyurethane. Thats about as stiff as it gets. Any harder and there is no compliance. You do need to have some compliance, or the car will start to crack in areas you don't want it to.
front bar - best to look for a w201.029 sportline front bar, but if you can't locate, grab a 124 bar. chop 40mm off each end, reverse the hanger brackets and fit urethane bushes to the bar at all 4 points.

I have some alloy /poly DTM engine mounts & trans mount to stiffen up the engine... increases the vibration but improves throttle response out of sight.

Front LCA bushes in 87-95 urethane, and new OE balljoints - better still find a set of late w124 / r129 front lower control arms, with good balljoints. these arms have an offset angled balljoint which allows you to fit HUGE SL600 front brakes without issue. Only thing is, you WILL need w124 front spindles, because the 190e's are pissweak and have a tiny outboard wheel bearing. grab the front spindles from a late w124 when you get the brakes. in fact, grab the whole front suspension, and do the bushes and balljoints on the spare LCA's.

You're right about in the ballpark regarding the brakes on the front. just get some crossdrilled / slotted rotors to match and some QFM comp 3 pads for the callipers. On the rear, you need to get vented rotors and the c36 calliper. /400e rears. 16" wheels are mandatory for the brake upgrade.
upgrade the booster to a 500E master vac. get a proportioning valve. braided lines.

There are some body braces for underneath. one for the front, one crossbrace for the trans and one for the rear subframe. worth every cent.

Going any wider than 8" on wheel / tyre and sub 30mm offset means cutting the rear arches and pumping the sheetmetal. Clearancing the front is a little trickier. Ake sells a fibreglass front guards with the flares already glassed, as a one-piece setup, which will give you even more clearance on the front - enough to run low offsets.

steering box..... you need to find a 201 sportline steering box. otherwise too much wheel work for the kid. Shes used to a gokart. the slow rate on the standard box will feel terrible. sportline has a quicker ratio. the 16v is quicker again, and about 5 times more expensive. not a big difference between sportline and 16v ratios though.

engine mods can wait. if you have a manual box, you may have a dual mass flywheel. great in traffic, crap on the track. depending on your gearbox input shaft length, it may be an issue. long input shaft = good. short = dual mass flywheel. converting is not straightforward.

Differential.... look for a 3.27 / 3.46:1 diff. spring-block mod to an open diff will temporarily net you an 'almost' LSD, but you'll need frequent oil changes to remove the metal swarf. Better still is a 185mm w124 diff, with the 201 rear hat. LSD's can be shimmed. Wavetrac do make a really expensive LSD centre. Not for a club sprint car though... the LSD centre would be worth more than the cars initial cost.

there are some interesting ideas on tailshaft couplings - some alloy/urethane hybrids etc out there.... stick with the standard rubber ones. But replace your centre bearing and the rubber mount.

Upgrading the universal joint and rebalancing a tailshaft is almost 600bucks. the original uni is staked in, so to replace it , you must remove the uni joint. the spline shaft must be separated and a new uni & yoke welded and machined then the whole lot balanced again. ( I just did this). At least the uni is replaceable after that surgery.

Thats about a start for you... some food for thought anyway. not to mention battery isolators etc fire extinguisher, racing harness & seat, and the usual PPE/safety gear.
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1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
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1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by kimrh » Sat 02 Aug, 2014 8:43 am

I have got a set if Lorinser RS90 16 x 7.5" et35 that are also a very well made strong rim that might suit your needs
I have also got a set of AMG Monoblocks 16 x 7.5" et17 and 16 x 8" ET11 so maybe would need a spacers -but also a very nice strong rim
Anyway just some other options if you can't find what your are looking for (freight is cheap via EGO -Hunter Transport - aprox $120)
plenty of options in 17" for later if you wanted to enquire - just PM me if you wanted to enquire
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Hendrik » Sat 02 Aug, 2014 11:21 am

Didn't they change the offset on the 201 in 85?

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Post by AMG » Sat 02 Aug, 2014 3:51 pm

From a race car perspective Hendrik, it really 'doesn't matter' - because the modifications required to the front which ensure reliability are essentially what remove those differences from the equation.

because one would prefer to have the larger w124 or even r129 front stub axles, lower control arms and brakes. as well as a 124 swaybar to reduce body roll.
The most critical point of all being the outboard hub bearing, which on a 201.024 for example is of insufficient diameter to take a constant abusive loading from racing use.
This is why the 16v received the larger stub axles, and when the evo2 was released, it shared 500e front brembos, R129 500SL front stub axles and late offset balljoint lower control arms.
All intended to be of sufficiently engineered specification to withstand the abuse of DTM competition.

The beauty of the 201 is in it's diminutive size. Being so compact, strong and light means it makes for an excellent base as a track car.
All the 201 ever lacked in DTM competition was the original cosworth engine specification and design.... The blame for that can be laid squarely at the feet of MB, who took the original cosworth design and set about completely stuffing it up, instead of using it as supplied. How a 350bhp reliable engine design got so strangled that it ended up a sub 200bhp abomination is all a moot point now, but those responsible should have been castrated, because all those years of BMW m3's smashing the bejeezus out of Mercedes is a direct result of the idiots who messed around with that cosworth engine design.

all other things aside though - parts availability and the 'amount' of overall expenditure to have a competitive car is really ridiculously small, compared to the sums people put into WReX's and bitsashitties to improve them.

Or you could go buy a brand new car - if you have that kind of disposable income.

But for a kid coming out of karts, moving to a cheaper form of the sport than open wheel racing - a 201 represents a great transition to learning about the importance of suspension setup, vehicle dynamics and best of all, keeping it low budget.

Ive seen people spend stupid money on engines, or making older cars try to handle as good as a standard clapped out w201.... The reality is the 201's design brief means that the car lends itself perfectly to this application. and If I told you that you can rebuild the suspension to a race specification in it's entireity for less than 1000 bucks, you'd start to look very closely indeed.

And if you are mechanically inclined, then rebuilding brake callipers from late w124 or R129 and swapping them over is a very cheap upgrade indeed.
H&R springs are about $240 US a set, and B8 Bilsteins can be obtained online for less than half local retail prices.
a 124 front swaybar is not worth $25.
a custom 22mm rear bar is a little pricey, but still well under $200.
Poly bushes for the LCA not expensive
A set of adjustable rear links with poly bushes and heim joints in hard anodized 7075 are not expensive as custom pieces go, but 'generic' parts can also be had through online stores in the US, as our stateside 201 racing buddies have compiled a list in that regard.

When all is said and done, a very good handling car can be had without huge expense. Certainly cheaper than say a 107 coupe, and much stiffer, with a lot less weight to throw around (but possibly not as cool looking... jury is out on that one)

Quite possibly the only achilles heel is the underpowered m102. in which case you toss it, drop in a 3.0 m103 as a stop-gap measure, until funds permit a 'built' engine.
But even m103's are easily souped - simply adding an appropriately sized turbo and ECU, and running e85 will get things moving a whole lot quicker. some would say possibly too quick.

Cheaper than an m104, or a 16v by a good margin, and cheap power. Couldn't get the same reliable power out of a 16v for under 30K, and doing the same to an m104.... well let's just use Ortolan's car as the benchmark example of where m104 meets the description 'bottomless pit'

Still, it demonstrates what is possible when resources are relatively speaking 'unlimited'. but if it were me.... I'd be looking at a non-mercedes engine like a 2JZ or 2ZZ if I was going for a huffed engine with 600+ bhp. (and then worry about the gearbox, driveshafts etc as they blow up....
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by AndrewsSL/SEL » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 9:20 am

^^^That's the exact logic Joe put to me when I started looking a buying an MB that actually handled, after being exposed to the cornering prowess of his 16v.^^^

What he did to the 201.029 2.6 I bought from him still puts a smile on my face, and still makes guys in HSV's wonder WTF when I stomp on the brakes in the next lane as the traffic lights go red. The w124/r129 brake upgrade is seriously good :dance:

The most important thing IMO is start with a good 2.6 base car. As Joe explains, the mods can be done one at a time at the right price, using the info that's already out there both written above and on the 190rev forum. A couple of w124 300E [M103.98 24v is best] in your local wreckers will be a great source of parts and it'll give you a good engine, but the main difficulty will still be the manual gearbox swap over.

Oh and welcome to the forum

PS fill in your location so other may be able to direct you to potential options in your area. :thumbup:
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 9:33 am

Wow, such a lot of information. Thanks for replying to my post, its alot to take in and I will reply later as we are going down to pick the car up today.

Please be assure your suggestions are most welcome, and valued please keep them coming.

Speak to you all later
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Hendrik » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 11:50 am

I guess it also depends on the specification for the particular race class, wasn't there another member building a 190E track car until circumstances changed?
Ahh this is the one I think viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8455&hilit=190E+track

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Post by Damo Cane » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 3:53 pm

I think that car ended being a street and track car. This car is going to be a track car only.
We have had to look carefully at the regs for what we want to do, and we can go up to 3000cc with out having then thrash it out with Porshes and V8 falcons. Keeping it at under 3000cc (M104 is 2996cc) we stay in a good class to race in.

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Post by AMG » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 6:09 pm

Clayton's car was a project that went completely Bezerk, then went sideways on him.

Life happens, and things change. That is just how things go.

The best thing about that car, is that when it was finally pulled down, most of the parts ended up in other forum members cars... and not wasted

I purchased quite a few bits and pieces from Clayton along the way as the design brief and his goal for the car changed. Andrews red 2.6 got a few bits here and there, and now Nick's 2JZ got a complete rear end capable of taking 500+ bhp of his 2jz.
A lucky guy picked up a complete SL600 silver arrows brake upgrade, and Greg's got a bunch of steering parts I picked up for him a couple weeks ago.

But the first thing to do is get used to the car. Then make an assessment on what areas need work first up. Design the budget around the work required and cost it up before touching any tools or disassembly of the vehicle.

Once the costs are done, factor in about a 30% overhead for additional work or repairs.

Make sure you have or have access to :
Pressure washer (preferably a steam cleaner)
Tig welder
Lathe
Mill.
bearing press
The specific tools needed to perform routine work...
some specific tools to remove and replace bushes, wheel carrier bearing, subframe bushes to think of a couple.
spring compressor (MB specific)
bearing pullers (internal and external)
slide hammer
MB engine tools - specific ones, like dowel pin pullers, valve spring compressor tools. fan clutch tool etc
Auto sparky or be sufficiently experienced in auto electrical repairs (will rely on this skillset a fair bit)

A good supply of raw materials - high carbon steel, 7075 alloy and possibly 4130 for the rollcage (if you have the skill req'd to competently weld 4130)
Parts list - completed & fully costed.

loads of planning now save you $$$ longterm.
You will recoup a better than 50% return on your investment should you sell if things do not work out. Unlike in karting. (been there, done that)

let us know what you picked up and send pics!
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1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"

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Post by Damo Cane » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 6:40 pm

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Post by Damo Cane » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 6:54 pm

Thank you fir your post, its actually quite inspirational, considering we nearly backed away from it because we got hung up on special stuff. It wasnt till I spoke to old time racer who told me the art of racing is manufacturing and adapting stuff to your needs. Anyone can buy stuff off the shelf, but they never understand the car when it goes wrong because they are not involved in true development.
Ive always thought this car could be a bloody good little track car, and to be really honest cant figure out why more people haven't used it, but their loss I hope will be our gain.

I hope the pictures come through ok and you should see one very happy kids with her Benz :love4:

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Post by AMG » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 7:03 pm

You did OK.
Lorinser LO's and a 16v bodykit. heheh...
almost looks too good for a track car.....
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"

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Post by Damo Cane » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 7:15 pm

AMG wrote:You did OK.
Lorinser LO's and a 16v bodykit. heheh...
almost looks too good for a track car.....
Thanks, one thing I have learned from Motorsport ( And I have run a Kart series for a fair few years now) is in order to win you have to start with a good base. You will never succeed if your start with a bad base.
Other thing I always tell people who want to start racing, In order to win a small fortune in Motor racing, start with a big one!

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Hendrik » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 8:39 pm

Hey I mentioned that that particular 201 was good value for the kit and mags.
Also if the driver does the bad thing, there is plenty of cheap 201's out there.
How stiff is the 201 chassis? Put it on three axle stands.......

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Post by Damo Cane » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 10:26 pm

Sorry I cant find where to add my location, so I am in Brisbane.

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Post by Greg in Oz » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 10:50 pm

Damo Cane wrote:Image

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My almost 16 year old son is very envious. He had his eye on that car since Hendrik posted the link on the forum and I showed it to him. Since I recently purchased a 190E 2.3-16, he has taken a liking to the look of the body kit on the 16 valve models and this particular car ticked the boxes for the body kit and manual transmission (that he also wants) at a more affordable price. In his eyes this 190E would have been a bit of one-upmanship over his 18 year old brother who has laid claim to our blue-black 190E 2.3 automatic. And there was me attempting (without success) to convince him (and my wife) that he needs a G-Wagen (this one viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19686 ). They saw right through that suggestion and recognised it as a poor attempt by me to buy another toy for the weekend.
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Mon 04 Aug, 2014 8:58 am

There is a 2.6 for sale on Ebay at the moment, second listing, at $500. 6 cylinder over a 2.3 could be seen as upmanship??
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 1400994061
and another one 2.5 manual went for $1500 or so a couple of weeks ago. It was a nice looking jigger too.
Keep looking they are out there. Mind You a G Wagon may be a good choice for me, I'm going to need something to pull the car on a trailer.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Wed 06 Aug, 2014 11:49 pm

So its been a busy few days. Many phone calls and emails. So where are we up to?
So as I said Shannon wil just use the car as is, but soon she will get to the point the standard brakes wont cut it anymore. One that point is reached its off the road it comes as a road car. With current wheels we are told any configuration of 4 pot callipers wont fit with them. So we will up grade to w124 brakes and the wheels will come off ( so if your after the wheels let me know). We are exploring the avenew of wheel adaptors so we can fit Commodore dtud pattern wheels on. For racing purposes going this way will widen the track allowing even bigger 6 pots later, and we have much wider choice in race wheels. Once the 18x8 wheels are on it, its then a race car only. We have a poly kit coming from Ake, and he is also now measuring up a special Sebring extractor set for it.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Hendrik » Thu 07 Aug, 2014 2:42 pm

Why commiedore? My weak alcohol soaked brain cells are trying to tell me that falcoon wheels are the same bolt pattern.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Thu 07 Aug, 2014 4:33 pm

From what I can find Falcons are 114.3 PCD. And I can only find two off sets. 120 is commodore and BMW. more off set options. We have looked at it though. If we can get the right off sets it would be preffered option as it is closer to 112.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by AMG » Sun 10 Aug, 2014 1:02 pm

Damo check your Private messages - I sent you one.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Sun 10 Aug, 2014 11:57 pm

Hi Joe I did get a message. I dont know how to reply to it via the message. Its not in my messages section though.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Mon 11 Aug, 2014 12:00 am

Thanks for your kind offer but, we need to go to a bigger rim to get the 6 pot brakes we want to put in at a later date.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Mon 11 Aug, 2014 10:59 am

Wheels and tires are 4 sale in the parts section.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Sun 17 Aug, 2014 10:52 pm

A bit of a update. I promised number one daughter when she could do 1min 20 lap of Lakeside, I would do something on the car. Well third attempt at driving this car she did it. Didnt expect it to come that quick!!!.
I can tell you there is nothing more unsettling than being a passenger in car driven at just over 150kmh with a 13 year old at the wheel!!
So as promised something was done. The whole muffler system was junke and a brand new 2 inch system installed. And my did it wake it up... sounds fantastic too. Lots of burburling as it comes of acceleration. Next time we are out ill video it.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Hendrik » Mon 18 Aug, 2014 11:26 am

Damo Cane wrote:I can tell you there is nothing more unsettling than being a passenger in car driven at just over 150kmh with a 13 year old at the wheel!!
Well actually trying to teach a 16 year old on a public road is probably worse.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by tips » Mon 18 Aug, 2014 9:07 pm

Hendrik wrote:
Damo Cane wrote:I can tell you there is nothing more unsettling than being a passenger in car driven at just over 150kmh with a 13 year old at the wheel!!
Well actually trying to teach a 16 year old on a public road is probably worse.
I'll +1that Hendrik mine has taken a liking to the 166 and I am trying to get her back into her mothers 163, no hope.
Damo sounds like she is going to make you broke by the time she is 14 if you keep making rash promises like that one...
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Tue 19 Aug, 2014 3:07 pm

I think regardless if I make the promises or not she will send me broke, shes a 14 year old girl!! at least I get to have fun with it Im sure glad she aint into horses!!

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by pastelgrey300D » Wed 20 Aug, 2014 10:00 am

Im sure glad she aint into horses!!
Be very glad she's not into horses - or boats - if you reckon cars can be expensive....
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Hendrik » Wed 20 Aug, 2014 10:42 am

pastelgrey300D wrote:Be very glad she's not into horses - or boats - if you reckon cars can be expensive....
The word boat actually stand for Break Out Another Thousand :laughing6:
You could say I am going to have to boat to fix my boat.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by +min » Wed 20 Aug, 2014 3:01 pm

Hendrik wrote:
pastelgrey300D wrote:Be very glad she's not into horses - or boats - if you reckon cars can be expensive....
The word boat actually stand for Break Out Another Thousand :laughing6:
You could say I am going to have to boat to fix my boat.
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by dearlove » Tue 09 Sep, 2014 11:59 am

God reading this makes me want to get another 190
I had the 400e brakes, bilsteins and h&r springs. Manual gearbox, seats and windows :(

Just on the wheel spacer/adapter, I think you'll find in 99% of racing they're outlawed. For good reason. The bolt/studs rip out of the adapter!

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Sun 21 Sep, 2014 8:56 am

Just a bit of an update so far.
We have a set of 17inch wheels for the car. And we have just finished stripping the interior out and getting ot ready for a roll cage to fitted in a couple of weeks time. Some of it was easy enough but pulling the Aircon compressor off was an absolute pain the proverbial.
102 kgs of weight removed from the car!!

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Mercmad » Fri 26 Sep, 2014 1:59 pm

There is a scrap dealer/casr wrecker at the end of my street(Andrew St Rocklea) who has a 190 in his shed. it was a good car until last week when one of his boys stacked a ute on top. Plenty of good bits on it though if you need suspension and other bits.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Fri 17 Oct, 2014 8:59 am

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by dearlove » Mon 03 Nov, 2014 1:28 am

thats awesome mate, car looks mint

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by kimrh » Mon 03 Nov, 2014 2:38 am

Is that Black 190E the finished product externally or just a pic as an example?
It looks awesome.
Perhaps your daughter may one day inspire to climb up to this category racing in a 450SLC purpose built track car from the 80's era like this one with a turbo'd chev engine that John Bowe once raced
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Mon 03 Nov, 2014 7:34 am

Hi Guys , no thats not our car but what we hope it will look like.
At the moment the car is away having the roll cage built and installed. As you might imagine its quite a lengthy process. The builder has had to measure Shannon as each cage is built with the driver in mind. He is to some extent copying a DTM cars cage but some bars do need repositioning to suit Shannon.
When its back ill post a some pictures.
He will also fit the custome made Doobinson springs to the car. We cant give Doninsons the final measurements till the ca has its cage in.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by kimrh » Mon 03 Nov, 2014 10:01 am

These 190E's are an awesome base to build a track car and are so steeped in racing history
Even today they look so good in race spec form - keep up the build pics Damo
So much good stuff on Youtube and that hillclimb V8 powered 190e is just out of this world
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by 70499 » Mon 03 Nov, 2014 8:14 pm

If your interested, I can post 40+ old DTM pictures of the undercarriage/suspension and roll cage set up.
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Wed 05 Nov, 2014 6:47 pm

Yep , would love it thanks

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by 70499 » Wed 05 Nov, 2014 8:48 pm

Damo Cane wrote:Yep , would love it thanks
Placed all the picture over on this thread............

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Fri 07 Nov, 2014 5:16 pm

Thank you so much, they are fantastic!!

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by SELfor50 » Thu 12 Mar, 2015 1:56 am

Great thread mate. Really glad to see someone else racing a merc.

Have you been in touch with Clayton at all who had the other 190 build thread on here? His was supposed to be a track beast, but took a few different turns..
I mention it because i'm not sure if he still has a collection of spares that might be of interest/use to you.

Keep the updates coming.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Greg in Oz » Mon 27 Apr, 2015 6:50 pm

For some time I have been wondering about the progress of this build given the lack of recent updates. Now I see on Facebook that you are selling or have sold it. What happened?

It's a pity you pulled it apart. If the car was still available as it was when you purchased it, it would have made a good first car for my younger son who still has his heart set on a manual 190E with a 16v body kit (see my previous reply at viewtopic.php?f=30&t=19696#p141403 ).
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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by Damo Cane » Tue 28 Apr, 2015 3:03 pm

Hi Guys, its been quite a ordeal so far. As you have read previously the car was stripped and was sent away for its Roll cage to be fitted last November. The chap who agreed to do it came and picked the car the car up. We went through all the fine bits of what was wanted and needed. We made an arrangemet about payment, and essentially just over $1100.00 was given in deposit as the car departed. Over the next couple of months we were assured that progress was made on the car, first we told the steal had been bought, then that the base plates were welded in to the car. We had stated we wanted regular pictures of the car progress so we could see it and that we could let others like your selves see the progress.
Forward time to March, this year and the still no car had arrived back, and still no pictures of the car, we were told that the cage had been cut and test fitted to the car and after a short period of a week or two the still no word again.
In the end I insisted that the car was brought back, we had given the guy the car, a brand new $1000.00 race seat, harnesses and everything the guy needed to put the cage in the car as this all had to be made to measure for Shannon. Fearing we would never see any of it again reluctantly I agreed he could just keep the deposit just return what was ours.
Some two weeks later after various phone calls and arranging tow trucks the car was still not returned. Again in the end I agreed to pay him to return the car for the tow truck fee, and finally the car was returned to us at night.
We rolled the car back into the garage where we left it till next morning. On inspection the next day, it was evident no work was done on the car at all, no base plates had been welded in, no holes had been cut in the fire wall, or rear panel to suggest a roll cage had been test fitted. Nothing the car was exactly as it left save for having allot of surface rust.
No roll cage can be fitted to a car with out base plates or plates to the strut towers. The car was just left out in the weather.
We were broke, both financially and emotionally afterwards. A friend who rang us a week or so later to see how we were going and found out what had gone on, then bought my daughter an almost race ready Hyundai Excel, with a cage in it, so she could go race with his son. The car was delivered to us, and we had to add a few more bars to the cage and do a few bits to get it track ready. That car is now nearly ready, we just need to put the glass back in and change the suspension over.
As for the Merc, we did need the money and were going to sell it as you had seen, but family stood in namely my mum,who knew Shannon would be heart broken if we did sell it, and well lets say we don't need to sell it now and its still in our garage. We will make into a race car as soon as we can. We have set aside some time and some funds to clean the inside up and keep it good until we are ready to go on with it. and another friend has agreed to go on with the roll cage.

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Re: Building 190e Track day car

Post by kiqnkf » Sun 10 Apr, 2016 7:08 pm

Damo Cane wrote:A bit of a update. I promised number one daughter when she could do 1min 20 lap of Lakeside, I would do something on the car. Well third attempt at driving this car she did it. Didnt expect it to come that quick!!!.
I can tell you there is nothing more unsettling than being a passenger in car driven at just over 150kmh with a 13 year old at the wheel!!
So as promised something was done. The whole muffler system was junke and a brand new 2 inch system installed. And my did it wake it up... sounds fantastic too. Lots of burburling as it comes of acceleration. Next time we are out ill video it.
Nope.

It can't have.

Too many "experts" agree that an exhaust on a mercedes simply can't be improved upon..... :violent3:

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