Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

1982-1993 :180E, 190E, 190E 2.3, 190E 2.6, 190D 2.2, 190D 2.5, 190D 2.5 T
Post Reply
User avatar
Greg in Oz
OZBENZ Admin
Posts: 3214
Joined: Tue 01 Aug, 2006 10:08 pm
Model you own: I own multiple different models
Location: Sydney, Australia

Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by Greg in Oz » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 12:13 am

It has been a whole 18 months since I purchased my 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth so I must have been feeling the need for another purchase. Actually, since purchasing the 2.3-16, my younger son has expressed a desire to own something like a 190E with manual transmission and a body kit. Back in 2011 I purchased a cheap 1992 automatic 190E 2.3 on eBay (see viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12502 ) for my older son as a first car so I guess it is only fair to do something similar for my younger son. The desire for manual transmission and a body kit made the search somewhat more difficult and obviously a Cosworth was out of the question.

A few weeks ago I spotted the eBay listing for the 5 speed manual 1985 190E 2 litre with BBS body kit at http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111812995043 and decided it may be worth watching. It was being listed more as a parts car and looked a bit rough and being more than 3 hours away in Canberra meant a pre-purchase inspection would be difficult. I figured it was worth watching and having a bid if the price didn't go too high. At worst it could be a parts car and donor for a manual conversion of another car. At best it could end up as a usable road car and something for my boys to learn a bit about fixing up an older car.

Just seconds from the auction close, I popped on a bid and ended up winning it for a little less than where I had set my maximum price. The price was little more than one third what the last eBay 190E cost me and I could have bought 30 of these for what my 190E Cosworth (also a 1985 model) cost me. I was somewhat reassured to learn that the seller was a guy in Canberra who I have known for over 25 years and this was his son's car. It had been taken off the road over 5 years ago following a minor accident.

Whilst the car could be started and moved, not having been registered or driven for over 5 years meant that attempting to drive it back to Sydney on an unregistered permit may be risky. The solution was to trailer it so our trusty 300TE was called upon for its biggest tow job during our 17 year ownership. I borrowed a trailer which turned out to be very solid with full checker-plate floor and similar material for the mud guards! Consequently, it weighed a solid 760kg empty (and was rated at 2000kg laden). A quick mental calculation said it would just take a 190E and not go too much above the 300TE's 1900kg braked trailer capacity. As it turned out, the combination towed beautifully and on several occasions I was startled when I looked in the mirror to see what I though was some fool tailgating me in a black 190E. I set the cruise control at about 105 and was only reminded of the load behind when the wagon's sweet 3 litre M103 called on a lower gear on the hills to keep everything moving at over 100.

And, so how did the new purchase turn out? Well, with a jump start in Canberra it fired up fine and I was able to drive it onto the trailer and the same procedure got it back off the trailer at this end. It is a bit rough with some clear coat peeling from the black exterior and some damaged interior trim. It is however better than a parts car and what I have checked out so far looks fine. There is negligible rust (certainly nothing serious or structural) and all the electrics work although there is some dodgy wiring associated with the air-con and cooling fans and daggy retrofitted remote locking / immobiliser / alarm wiring. The engine runs fine apart from a slight misfire at idle. I'm surprised it runs at all considering the age of the fuel in the tank. Clutch feels good and gearbox seems fine apart from a selector which is sticky through the neutral position across the 3 shift planes. Suspension all checks out fine and brakes should be good with new fluid. Damage to the rear which was the reason for taking it off the road (and wrote off the car which hit it from behind) seems to have done nothing more than pushed the sports exhaust forward and popped the ends of the rear apron away from behind the rear wheel arches.

Overall, younger son and I are very happy and looking forward to getting it back on the road. Here are a couple of photos with it on the trailer when we arrived home. More photos will come as we make progress with it.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

User avatar
T-Modell
SLS AMG
Posts: 2767
Joined: Mon 10 Apr, 2006 12:47 am
Model you own: w107
Location: Weinheim / Germany
Contact:

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by T-Modell » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 12:30 am

Congrats to your purchase Greg! I like the old "D" sticker on the back :laughing6:

Good luck with repairing it and getting it on the road again ... reminds me of my first Merc, a 1986 190 carb ...
Thomas
---------------------------------------------------------------
1967 W111 250SE Cabriolet, horizon blue
1973 W115 220D 5.0 Pick-Up Argentina, work in progress 2017/18/19
1986 R107 500SL, arctic white, the midlife crisis viagra replacement
2007 R171 SLK350, calcit white
2008 S211 E63T, calcit white, sleeper

brother benz68
Pagoda
Posts: 118
Joined: Wed 06 Mar, 2013 7:06 pm
Location: 21 Jump Street

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by brother benz68 » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 8:30 am

That looks like a great purchase Greg, and I'm sure your son will love working on it.
The body kit looks very nice as does the black paintwork. Well done!

I had exactly the same idea when I purchased our 180E manual for my two boys. The W201 is a great car.

CraigB
OZBENZ Admin
Posts: 4907
Joined: Thu 23 Jun, 2005 1:18 pm
Model you own: I own multiple different models
Location: Hawthorndene (Adelaide)

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by CraigB » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 1:50 pm

Looks great Greg and I reckon when young people get a car they work on or 'input' in some way, they look after it better than the item handed to them on a plate - unless things have changed since my day - and ultimately that can mean they do less crazy stuff and are safer. When young have been in one roll-over and numerous nearly bad accidents - one of my mates had his back broken when another mate rolled with him in the car. Hours of work rubbing it back for paint etc might make him think twice about throwing away all that hard work! But i am sure you have given them a good grounding in respecting cars anyway.
Craig Baulderstone
Lurch
280s's
280SE3.5
280SL
350SL
500SEC's
560SEL's

User avatar
T-Modell
SLS AMG
Posts: 2767
Joined: Mon 10 Apr, 2006 12:47 am
Model you own: w107
Location: Weinheim / Germany
Contact:

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by T-Modell » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 6:14 pm

CraigB wrote:...But i am sure you have given them a good grounding in respecting cars anyway.
I do think it's a bit unfair to these poor boys ... FIVE W201's in the house, they are basically brainwashed :laughing6: ...

When they come into the "I oppose my parents no matter what"-phase, I guess they come home with a Holden ute :laughing6:
Thomas
---------------------------------------------------------------
1967 W111 250SE Cabriolet, horizon blue
1973 W115 220D 5.0 Pick-Up Argentina, work in progress 2017/18/19
1986 R107 500SL, arctic white, the midlife crisis viagra replacement
2007 R171 SLK350, calcit white
2008 S211 E63T, calcit white, sleeper

User avatar
AMG
OZBENZ Admin
Posts: 5788
Joined: Thu 01 Jan, 1970 10:00 am
Model you own: I own multiple different models
Region: New South Wales
Location: Dark side of the Moon
Contact:

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by AMG » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 7:05 pm

T-Modell wrote:
CraigB wrote:...But i am sure you have given them a good grounding in respecting cars anyway.
I do think it's a bit unfair to these poor boys ... FIVE W201's in the house, they are basically brainwashed :laughing6: ...

When they come into the "I oppose my parents no matter what"-phase, I guess they come home with a Holden ute :laughing6:
Thomas
Familiarity breeds contempt as they say.

I forsee a potential problem as they grow up.... "Dad, when are you going to GIVE me your Sportline??" followed by "Dad, when are you going to GIVE me the 16v??" :laughing5: :laughing5:
meanwhile Greg stuggles on with the 124 TE as his daily and Karen gets a series 3 124 cabriolet as a shopping trolley... :wave:

over time Dad witnesses both black 201's suffer the 'typical' teenage abuse (burnouts, handbrake turns in parking lots, encounters with kerbs, pylons and bollards denting every panel " :liar: wasn't me dad I swear! ), lack of maintenance by kids, "yeah I changed the oil dad" :liar: but when dad checks the dipstick, it's bone dry, except for the tip which is covered in a black sludge.... :argue:
a transmission which flares in every gear except reverse, which needs 6000rpm on the tach before it engages :bom: , slamming you into the steering column.... :sad1: a perpetually empty fuel tank, leaving mum stranded when she has to move it out of the driveway so she can get to her own car, :pale:
never washed, :angry1: never vacuumed, :angry2: floors full of empty chip packets and mcdonalds serviettes, :sign11: (but not used condoms, because they're always thrown in the bin :laughing6: ) friends who smoke and use the seats as ashtrays :angryfire: and fluffy dice hanging from the rearview mirror, albeit with one side missing the stick-on dots, because they fell off due to being parked in the sun all day and half fhe fluff is singed by heat. :violent3:

I could go on and on, but that would be painting a grim picture of what is (hopefully for Greg) not an envisaged reality, because The kids are actually pretty well behaved and not ungrateful in any way.

Yet a part of me (just stirring) still wants to see them experience the painful side of owning a car - just something that leaves them in an unplanned situation... forcing them to make their way home without a vehicle, or on a towtruck, knowing full-well they caused the problem and will have to pay to fix it themselves..

Mostly so they learn to truly appreciate what their parents have provided them with. Freedom, education, independence, common sense ( a bit hard to come by in todays kids) and an appreciation for fine examples of well designed and engineered motor vehicles. (and a healthy obsession for Mercedes-Benz... )

Otherwise, you could argue that having someone else always look after everything for you is not really a 'life lesson' is it? :occasion5:
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"

User avatar
T-Modell
SLS AMG
Posts: 2767
Joined: Mon 10 Apr, 2006 12:47 am
Model you own: w107
Location: Weinheim / Germany
Contact:

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by T-Modell » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 7:18 pm

Joe,
I really enjoy the stories from your past :laughing5: :laughing5:
Thomas
---------------------------------------------------------------
1967 W111 250SE Cabriolet, horizon blue
1973 W115 220D 5.0 Pick-Up Argentina, work in progress 2017/18/19
1986 R107 500SL, arctic white, the midlife crisis viagra replacement
2007 R171 SLK350, calcit white
2008 S211 E63T, calcit white, sleeper

User avatar
AMG
OZBENZ Admin
Posts: 5788
Joined: Thu 01 Jan, 1970 10:00 am
Model you own: I own multiple different models
Region: New South Wales
Location: Dark side of the Moon
Contact:

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by AMG » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 8:24 pm

HAHAAAAA

Not all mine Thomas I'm afraid. :laughing5: :laughing5: :notworthy: :laughing6: :occasion5:

Though I could be guilty of a few burnouts and handbrakies.... My cars were always well looked after and always spotless inside and out... no smoking no food in the car (mates didn't like those rules).

But the rest of it - pretty typical teenage 'community transport vehicle' behaviour down here. Only difference is now most of it is JDM import trash with every panel a different colour, Fast & furious bodykits stuck on with gaffa tape and cannon exhausts with 6" tips being fed by a 1.5" exhaust.

No more 'fully sik' gemini's or Monaros here. No triple weber'd toranas or bridgeported RX3's... No, the cars of my youth are long long gone, and funnily enough becoming quite expensive....

The irony of it all. :king:
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"

User avatar
T-Modell
SLS AMG
Posts: 2767
Joined: Mon 10 Apr, 2006 12:47 am
Model you own: w107
Location: Weinheim / Germany
Contact:

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by T-Modell » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 9:37 pm

Yep,

the good old stories ... to scare Greg a bit ... when I was 19 with my first car, a Volkswagen Polo (740kgs, but 75hp, quite fast at the time), I entered a quite full parking, light snow on the road. There was a parking spot on the other side, along the side curb. Well front wheel drive, but with throttle down, handbrake up, I did a 180 degree U-turn more or less on the spot and I parked in ... a bit like the parking scene in Blues Brothers, when they want to convince the chef of a fancy restaurant to join their band again ... if anything would have just gone a little bit wrong, several cars would have not looked like before ....

Somehow we survived.
Thomas

Edit: here it is ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWbnrfKRFxI
---------------------------------------------------------------
1967 W111 250SE Cabriolet, horizon blue
1973 W115 220D 5.0 Pick-Up Argentina, work in progress 2017/18/19
1986 R107 500SL, arctic white, the midlife crisis viagra replacement
2007 R171 SLK350, calcit white
2008 S211 E63T, calcit white, sleeper

kiqnkf
C Class
Posts: 46
Joined: Tue 22 Feb, 2011 9:29 pm
Model you own: w201
Location: S.E. Suburbs, Victoria.

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by kiqnkf » Sat 02 Jan, 2016 1:23 pm

AMG wrote: Yet a part of me (just stirring) still wants to see them experience the painful side of owning a car - just something that leaves them in an unplanned situation... forcing them to make their way home without a vehicle, or on a towtruck, knowing full-well they caused the problem and will have to pay to fix it themselves..
Like running out of fuel at 3am? I have done that so many times, I have a 5lt jerry that lives near the garage door opening, and if I am getting low, I chuck it in the boot!!!

User avatar
AMG
OZBENZ Admin
Posts: 5788
Joined: Thu 01 Jan, 1970 10:00 am
Model you own: I own multiple different models
Region: New South Wales
Location: Dark side of the Moon
Contact:

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by AMG » Sun 03 Jan, 2016 2:32 pm

kiqnkf wrote:
AMG wrote: Yet a part of me (just stirring) still wants to see them experience the painful side of owning a car - just something that leaves them in an unplanned situation... forcing them to make their way home without a vehicle, or on a towtruck, knowing full-well they caused the problem and will have to pay to fix it themselves..
Like running out of fuel at 3am? I have done that so many times, I have a 5lt jerry that lives near the garage door opening, and if I am getting low, I chuck it in the boot!!!
Yep! That'll do it!
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"

OzPaul
Posts: 4
Joined: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 5:19 pm
Model you own: I own multiple different models

Re: Latest purchase - even more bargain priced 190E

Post by OzPaul » Tue 19 Jan, 2016 7:22 pm

Hi Greg - is an aux a/c fan -radiator fan relay mod in the planning? A photo documentary would be great and save not less than a few m102s out there. Good luck with it. OzPaul

Post Reply

Return to “W201”