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Pete49
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Info wanted :)

Post by Pete49 » Fri 27 Apr, 2018 2:55 pm

I have an opportunity to get a 1978 450 SEL and am curious about a couple things about it. What does the SEL stand for I figure the E is the fuel injection but not sure on the rest. I know its not a 6.9 engine in it but what other V8 motors were used in them and think its a W116? would I be correct? The owner is away at the moment so thought I would ask here as the font of knowledge is all powerful.
Pete
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Post by KimB » Fri 27 Apr, 2018 6:35 pm

SEL = Saloon ( sedan) Einspritzer( fuel injected) Long ( wheelbase)

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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 27 Apr, 2018 7:08 pm

Correction:

S stands for "Sonderklasse" (ausgezeichnetes und besonderes wohl entwickelten Fuhrzeug)

Enough from the badge nazi :laughing6:

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Re: Info wanted :)

Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 27 Apr, 2018 10:44 pm

1978 450SEL would indeed be a W116.
4500 V8 engine.

The 6.9's were label 450SEL but with a 6.9 badge on the other side of the boot.

W116's - 350SE/SEL with 3500cc V8 engine. - 280SE/SEL with 2800cc six cylinder engine

W116's aren't "that " popular with the general public. i.e. besides the 6.9 they're not worth all that much. You can find some excellent examples for not a lot of dollars.
Often quite humble W123's bring much better prices than W116's
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Post by T-Modell » Fri 27 Apr, 2018 11:43 pm

Don't forget the 280S and the 300SD for the US ...
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Post by CraigB » Sat 28 Apr, 2018 12:05 am

I had to google sonderklasse - means special class or top class apparently - which is relevant but basically it is the 'big ones'!

I agree on values, but surely that must one day change? They were right up there as the best car money could buy in their day and magnificent cars to drive with real presence - big chrome bumpers etc.

And Thomas, we had the 280S here too - with that 'challenging' carby!
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Post by T-Modell » Sat 28 Apr, 2018 12:18 am

CraigB wrote:
Sat 28 Apr, 2018 12:05 am
....And Thomas, we had the 280S here too - with that 'challenging' carby!
Biggest rubbish car ever! I remember, my father had a W123 280E at the time ... it was in repair and for a weekend he got a W116 280S. Didn't pull the sausage off the plate but easily took 25 litres / 100kms on the Autobahn, much more than the 280E ...
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Post by CraigB » Sat 28 Apr, 2018 12:46 am

I had a manual one (from sth africa) and got around my Solex problem by converting the car to LPG! With the govt rebates for conversion at the time it was much cheaper than repairing the carby. I loved that car as a daily and also sprinted it at Mallala and returned respectable, if not blistering(!) times in it. It was tuned specifically to LPG and i ran with electric fan to allow motor to get hotter - lpg produces more power when motor runs a bit hotter and tank sat where normal tank did. If putting the boot into it you could feel the significance once it got hotter and feedback from fellow benzers was usually surprise how quick it was especially if revving freely up towards red line. It wasn't great at first but checking with a length of wire up the tailpipe and it had a 'good ol aussie' muffler box that I replaced with the big standard resonator and nothing before it. Was not loud by any means but dramatically lifted performance and dropped fuel use. From memory it was at first up around 25 but then in the 15 to 17l/100km and on cheap lpg it made it a very economical car to run. Not a 6.9 but a respectable car i thought once sorted and lots of fond memories. Most australian delivered ones were referred to as the poverty pack here and never seen one in even average condition.
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Post by Pete49 » Sat 28 Apr, 2018 1:27 pm

Thanks for the replies fellas. Cleared up that part. As far as price I have a 78 Fairlane that has a locked motor that he wants and will swap his running 450SEL for it which I think is a fair deal. I would be putting it on club reg so it won't be a daily driver. The interior is in very good nick and the body sound with sun rash on the top but the sides are in great condition. Mechanically it sounds good so I will see how it evolves.
Pete
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