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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 26 Oct, 2017 6:45 pm

Some of the sales managers I dealt with in the past couple of months have either been hit with the stoopid stick or are on job pressure to get cars out the door.

Joe, I've run into the same problem as you - strike up a good repore with the sales guy only to have a sales manager come in and F@ the deal up.

One idiot.
Car sales, Car Point and Car's Guide are the same company.
One car for sale at the same stealer had a $2000.00 difference on it between Car Sales and Cars Guide.
I pointed the discrepancy out with the sales guy. He went and pointed it out to the sales manager. The sales manager stormed out of his office and confronted me - "your'e not having that car for that bloody price" :dontknow:
None the less that car is still for sale. Long after I'd gone.

However on the other side of the coin.
I looked at a W211 E500 at a wholesaler in Brisbane.
The owner is a Benz Fan. We had a long talk about this and that.
The E500 has very low K's for a good price.........But very dark tinted windows and extra wide 18 inch wheels. (Warning Will Robinson)
I pointed out the hesitation over those wheels and windows. He agreed. Even he was dubious.
It's probably a good car .......but not for me.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by TheMadRacoon » Thu 26 Oct, 2017 7:08 pm

AMG wrote:
Thu 26 Oct, 2017 10:42 am
Never ceases to amazeballs me how FULL OF faeces Mercedes-Benz sales staff ..

Now that I know this guy is talking faeces, because I've already had a PPI done on the car - and yet still I get the full lather of BS treatment..... is a complete F.W.

And if you happen to be a member on here Mr 'Sales manager", take it as gospel, you're a full of bullshit know-nothing when it comes to dealing with potential customers and your techique / tactics / attitude have only served to terminate any potential dealing with your dealer franchise, for the entire future... and I get to meet your bosses boss in the next couple of weeks :thefinger: , I'll be sure to tell him what a doozey you are.

:occasion5:
The sad conclusion is that he must be there and acting that way because (a) he gets away with it, or (b) it works.
Which must say alot about the type of customer they usually have, or that most customers put up with it because they really really want the car (!)

The typical Benz customer nowadays must be a different breed than generations past. (A new CLA AMG pulled out in front of me, full-tattooed arm hanging down outside the door. Then does a U-turn.... the position he was in initially and suddenness of each manoeuvre made me think he was not wanting to go in my direction in the first place, but had to get noticed. Either I'm getting old or Benz customers have changed. And for clarity, I'm not prejudiced against tattoos.
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 26 Oct, 2017 7:27 pm

AMG wrote:
Thu 26 Oct, 2017 10:42 am
Now that I know this guy is talking faeces, because I've already had a PPI done on the car - and yet still I get the full lather of BS treatment.
So His new approach to the next customer will be.
Some MB enthusiast came in and had an independent PPI done on this car and it passed with flying colours. Unfortunately that guy couldn't come up with the required cash - but the car has been vetted - so now it's a great deal for you - the next customer
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Thu 26 Oct, 2017 9:35 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 26 Oct, 2017 7:27 pm
AMG wrote:
Thu 26 Oct, 2017 10:42 am
Now that I know this guy is talking faeces, because I've already had a PPI done on the car - and yet still I get the full lather of BS treatment.
So His new approach to the next customer will be.
Some MB enthusiast came in and had an independent PPI done on this car and it passed with flying colours. Unfortunately that guy couldn't come up with the required cash - but the car has been vetted - so now it's a great deal for you - the next customer
Heh heh,
But only a dope would fall for that one Les - You'd have a good laugh at the exact dialogue I had with this twit.

Fair to say, the deal could have been done, but the sales manager blew it for the staffer - The car's been sitting on their lot since december last year - so I couldn't give a flying f - about playing games, if they want to hold out.... then it's only going to hurt their butthole when the dealer principal sends a few pineapples their way because it's still sitting ther 12 months later.
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 26 Oct, 2017 10:36 pm

AMG wrote:
Thu 26 Oct, 2017 9:35 pm
The car's been sitting on their lot since December last year - so I couldn't give a flying f - about playing games, if they want to hold out.... then it's only going to hurt their butthole when the dealer principal sends a few pineapples their way because it's still sitting there 12 months later.
And there's their problem and should be our gain.

There's lots of cars on lots that have set there for yonks and yonks.

The Sales Managers should be more concerned with getting old stock off their forecourts then Fying around.

I just put it down to another case of old fart observation. that is
Too many idiots have been put in a position which exceeds their capabilities :whistle:
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Fri 27 Oct, 2017 9:04 am

Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 26 Oct, 2017 10:36 pm
<snip>
The Sales Managers should be more concerned with getting old stock off their forecourts then Fying around.

I just put it down to another case of old fart observation. that is
Too many idiots have been put in a position which exceeds their capabilities
:whistle:
Nailed it. I'm no old fart - but I don't suffer fools and my tolerance for BS is about as low as it gets.

Missus is trying to get me to travel interstate (vic) to look at an E300 and an ML.
unsure why, as there are plenty in NSW.

I'm just going to keep looking and pick the nice ones out. I'm a believer in good things coming to those who wait.
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1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
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1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Post by T-Modell » Fri 27 Oct, 2017 3:32 pm

AMG wrote:
Fri 27 Oct, 2017 9:04 am
.... I'm a believer in good things coming to those who wait. :occasion5:
That gives me hope about my ute project :laughing6: ... and my wife isn't even involved!
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Post by 420 SE » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 7:22 pm

Just get the ML, you won't regret it...
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Post by AMG » Wed 01 Nov, 2017 3:23 pm

420 SE wrote:
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 7:22 pm
Just get the ML, you won't regret it...
You've been saying that for a while now :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :occasion5:

You AOK now? back on deck?
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1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
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Post by 420 SE » Wed 01 Nov, 2017 6:59 pm

All good, back home yesterday - a small hiccough.
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Post by ngruzevs » Thu 02 Nov, 2017 9:24 am

There's a well known used prestige dealer in Melbourne, it's common to see cars sit in the showroom/advertised online for over 12 months. I don't understand their business model. I'm guessing they can afford to wait for some sucker to pay sticker price, even if the period is 12 months.
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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 02 Nov, 2017 5:32 pm

ngruzevs wrote:
Thu 02 Nov, 2017 9:24 am
There's a well known used prestige dealer in Melbourne, it's common to see cars sit in the showroom/advertised online for over 12 months. I don't understand their business model. I'm guessing they can afford to wait for some sucker to pay sticker price, even if the period is 12 months.
Do you mean the north Melbourne man or the other guy who got roughed up by bikies last year?
Whichever, your statement is still true. :Doh:

I went to the North Melbourne man one time. He was selling second hand cars for more than the stealership new price for some models.
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Post by ngruzevs » Thu 02 Nov, 2017 6:15 pm

Yes that's the one, he's head was smashed into an Audi rear windscreen
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Post by T-Modell » Thu 02 Nov, 2017 6:21 pm

ngruzevs wrote:
Thu 02 Nov, 2017 6:15 pm
Yes that's the one, he's head was smashed into an Audi rear windscreen
:Doh: :Doh: ... how can you still live in Melbourne? We had friends from Melbourne over about a week ago (a lawyer) and what she told us :banghead:

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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 02 Nov, 2017 6:57 pm

T-Modell wrote:
Thu 02 Nov, 2017 6:21 pm


:Doh: :Doh: ... how can you still live in Melbourne? We had friends from Melbourne over about a week ago (a lawyer) and what she told us :banghead:

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Well. :dontknow: What do expect Thomas. This is a nation that hero worships a cop killer (Kelly). A country that was originally intended as a dumping ground for the Britain's criminals. /sarc
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
Departed
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W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
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Post by AMG » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:10 pm

Well ML after ML seemed to disappoint SWMBO, mostly colour I believe.

So we started looking around again at new C class ( things coming full circle I hear you say :whistle: :laughing6: )

Works been hectic, and I wasn't in the mood to stuff about, so we went to our local dealer and checked out a diamond silver C300. Nice car..... until I spied amg-line in the spec.
it was enough to turn me around within 30 seconds and leave.

Drove up to MB sydney. Looked around. found something nicer.

Well good things do come to those who wait... apparently.
:laughing6:

took a while though.
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1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
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1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
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Post by CraigB » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:26 pm

So how does the ride compare in the real thing vs the 'AMG-line'?
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Post by T-Modell » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:30 pm

CraigB wrote:
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So how does the ride compare in the real thing vs the 'AMG-line'?
Probably you have to drive it with a condom, as you have a permanent orgasm in there :laughing6:
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Post by AMG » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:56 pm

CraigB wrote:
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:26 pm
So how does the ride compare in the real thing vs the 'AMG-line'?
For starters the real thing has airmatic, so the ride is plush as you could want- i.e. no intrusive bumps on comfort.

but the bit that impressed me, was that in sport or sport plus, the ride quality did not diminish. yes, it's firmer, you can feel it stiffen up the chassis, but it's never ever harsh.

unlike all the c class derivitaves we have driven in the last 6 months.... amg line is really like taking springs out of the car and putting wooden blocks in there. It;s that poor.
and the seats in the amg line are harder than a concrete pile.

Seats in the real deal are the full-on everything option. so yeah, more stuff to break later, but here's hoping it stays reliable.
Got full MB warranty for the next 2 years, so should be able to iron out any problems without issue.
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
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1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
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Post by AMG » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:58 pm

T-Modell wrote:
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:30 pm
CraigB wrote:
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:26 pm
So how does the ride compare in the real thing vs the 'AMG-line'?
Probably you have to drive it with a condom, as you have a permanent orgasm in there :laughing6:
Thomas
I don't think it's all that different to your 211 Thomas.... It just has the 5.5 biturbo v8 and a few more ponies.

It was parked there, next to a leb taxi (c63 w204) so it wasn't a hard choice. The G63 on the other side was screaming BUY MEE.... but Nat wouldn't be in it :laughing6:
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1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by CraigB » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 8:19 pm

Well done. Sounds like MB did their market research and decided enough buyers wanted that hard unsophisticated feel of other 'sporting' models on the market and just gave them what they wanted. And they just wouldn't be in the market for that price bracket of the real AMG and get to appreciate the best of both worlds. Somewhere on here I think i said how i had a lift in a friends late C-class (not amg-line) and i was really disappointed in the ride - not in the same league as the W126 or even our 2002 Pug for that matter. But very similar in ride to most of the new 'hire cars' I have driven lately. Sounds like a special car - have fun!
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Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 8:54 pm

F.W.I.W.

My W204 C280 Elegance has the full bottle of extras - but they didn't come with airmatic at that time.
The ride in my W202 was far superior to the w204.
I changed the wheels and tyres from the W202 to the W204 to see if the low profile tyres on the 204 were the problem. Nope. It's the way the suspension is set up.

The ride in my W211 is far superior to the W204. No airmatic in my W211. The W210 had a smidge better ride than the W211. The W210 was quieter as well.

I just took my W204 Melbourne - Noosa return. On good surfaces the W204 was very impressive - on less than good surfaces less than very impressive 2 out of 5.

I.M.H.O. the old Macpheron strut setup using higher profile tyres is far superior to the coilover suspension with low profiles.

But, that's what planned demographic market wants.

Also.

M.B. spent over a billion bucks on the update to the original W212. That's normally more than they spend on a new chassis. The overflow from that billion bucks moved into the W205.

I.M.H.O. If you want comfort you need to buy an E Class. (or S)
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 9:30 pm

CraigB wrote:
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 8:19 pm
Well done. Sounds like MB did their market research and decided enough buyers wanted that hard unsophisticated feel of other 'sporting' models on the market and just gave them what they wanted. And they just wouldn't be in the market for that price bracket of the real AMG and get to appreciate the best of both worlds. Somewhere on here I think i said how i had a lift in a friends late C-class (not amg-line) and i was really disappointed in the ride - not in the same league as the W126 or even our 2002 Pug for that matter. But very similar in ride to most of the new 'hire cars' I have driven lately. Sounds like a special car - have fun!
Yeah, It's the whole "trickle down" mentality.... give the buyer a smell of what they want and throw the name about liberally, et voila - the buyer thinks they're into something sporty and will cough up the readies.

But there is a chasm between the styling line name badges and the real thing. I think we'd all agree that a new 2018 car would be fantastic, but who's going to stab themselves in the eye with a 100K depreciation in the first 5 years. Not me. Not that I could afford a new one in the first place... :laughing6:

Just think about the 560 and how nice it is to drive, but also how comfortable it is. It's a massive difference over the 'land barge' cousin - but you're not giving away a whole lot for the gain in performance and handling. Certainly not enough to make you uncomfortable on a long trip.

And that was the biggest issue we had. Comfort.

We must be seen as old farts or something by the gen Y motoring public - but they ignore the older cars - at their own peril. so they won't understand what a comfortable car an older S class was, or for that matter, the 123, 114, 124, even the 201 is very comfortable - and certainly not exhausting to do an interstate trip in..... unlike the 808, and to a lesser extent the RRC (it's just big n heavy, not uncomfortable, but the seating position isn't great for me over long hours)

I'm putting the c class suspension harshness right up there with the Megane RS 808 - without the handling agility. it's like it's just hard for the sake of being hard. For me that was a massive disappointment, because I liked the car itself, but no way in hell could I live with it - comfort package or amg-line.... both were abysmal.

Certainly nothing in this vehicle is lacking comfort-wise. I can say back to back that it's the tiniest shade firmer than Gretel, but just as comfortable. I think the next interstate trip will tell how close those two are.

the 124 has tyre sidewall in its favour. there is not a lot in it at all.
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by CraigB » Sat 31 Mar, 2018 10:00 pm

Hopefully not straying too far from the topic but you reminded me about something with what is no doubt a changing 'market'. Before we bought our first Pug 406 from the late 90's, I had read road testers comments like one that kept going back and driving over this pothole because he couldn't believe how the car glided over it. It made comments that is was getting back to the qualities of ride in the 504 after the departure of the 405. That car was fantastic until the wife got rear ended in it and written off, then replaced with a later 2002 model. Almost identical car to look at with same basic suspension but they had firmed it all up and while the ride is still pretty good it was definitely a step down in my book. We live at the top of a very twisty road and i swear it is no quicker even if there was marginally less body roll. I can only conclude that in their market research they had enough people compare it to the competitors and say they wanted it firmer - market wins out over engineers, but i bet more than a few of those engineers were banging their heads on the wall after a visit from the marketing 'experts'!
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by TheMadRacoon » Sun 01 Apr, 2018 6:41 pm

Comments on car rides:

W202 C200 over a very bad road, reminded me of a 504 or R16, or even a Series 1 Disco over V-gutters...great suppleness and travel.

W126 Series 2 LWB.... great suppleness

W116 SE... great ride

W114 and W108.... good, comfortable, could take the abuse of bad roads for hours.

W123 and W124....only driven or ridden in on smooth roads.

Peugeot 407. Great....disappointment (talking low speed).

The worst? Being a front passenger in a Volvo 440. Still in the paved car park.... the ride jarred over crack filler. Aarrgh!

Back to topic.... if you're going to wear the depreciation of something new then a W220 could be cheaper. Not sure about W221s, though certainly the interior looks inviting.
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by TheMadRacoon » Sun 01 Apr, 2018 6:43 pm

And how could I forget the C107? When the going gets rough, the ride amazes. Yes, it can actually be described as supple over big bumps.
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by T-Modell » Tue 03 Apr, 2018 10:28 am

AMG wrote:
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:58 pm
T-Modell wrote:
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:30 pm
CraigB wrote:
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 7:26 pm
So how does the ride compare in the real thing vs the 'AMG-line'?
Probably you have to drive it with a condom, as you have a permanent orgasm in there :laughing6:
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I don't think it's all that different to your 211 Thomas.... It just has the 5.5 biturbo v8 and a few more ponies.

It was parked there, next to a leb taxi (c63 w204) so it wasn't a hard choice. The G63 on the other side was screaming BUY MEE.... but Nat wouldn't be in it :laughing6:
Hi Joe,
I do have a different opinion; I test-drove the 5.5 litre bi-turbo, even with the performance package and 557hp in a CLS. Just confirmed to me, that I don't like turbos. Huge turbo hole, try driving at 70km/h, shift down manually to 2 or 3 and then put the pedal down. Nothing happens for half a second and then your head bumps into the headrests. With the n/a motor, you have the feeling, that it can read your mind and absolutely immediately shoots off.

That's why I'm so hesitant giving my E63 away ...

But that's just my opinion ...
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by John Green » Tue 03 Apr, 2018 10:49 am

TheMadRacoon wrote:
Sun 01 Apr, 2018 6:41 pm
Comments on car rides:
Off topic I know, but the ride quality of our new Ford Everest is really quite surprisingly good, specifically on corrugated dirt roads and typical back roads in under funded shires across Australia. . The sales push is that whilst it is a Mazda/Ford T6 chassis the suspension was developed here in Australia by the Ford R&D guys. Judging by how good it is, I would say that they did a great job.

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