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Post by Jake » Sat 26 Jul, 2014 5:38 pm

I finished fitting the new heater fan motor and lubed and assembled the wiper mechanism (2.5D). Got it all back together and all is well again .... rear muffler next .
Changed the coolant/antifreeze on the coupe this afternoon (280CE), took it for a test flight , always a pleasure :)
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Post by markb » Sat 26 Jul, 2014 6:29 pm

Received, painted and fitted my 10 British Pound drivers-side mirror to replace my damaged-framed one.
Funnily with parts of 3 mirrors to use to build, the UK one was in the best condition...must have come from a well garaged, with little road-salted CE :think:
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Post by AndrewsSL/SEL » Sun 27 Jul, 2014 12:26 am

Busy couple of weeks with new brake lines, front flex disc and auto shifter bush fitted to the SL.

It drives real nice now :dance:
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Post by cuisses » Sun 27 Jul, 2014 5:22 pm

Fixed the front brake reservoir float. I had replaced the rear one before, but in that case I was forced to buy the whole assembly, including the electrodes. I took out the float, drilled a 2mm hole in the side to remove the brake fluid (by syringe and shaking), and then sealed it all up with Selleys waterproof araldite stuff. Tested it in brake fluid, so it seems to work. Put it back, and I am now waiting to see if it fails.
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Post by Giles » Sun 27 Jul, 2014 8:24 pm

Pulled the remnants of a few tired M110's out of the shed and now destined for the metal merchant. I decided to grab the the temp sensors of the heads and see if they'd clean up to see another day. The three on the left looked like the the three on the right before a ultrasonic bath and a once, or twice, over with the wire brush. Any wonder some cars don't run when these are covered in crap.
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Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 27 Jul, 2014 8:53 pm

Giles wrote:Pulled the remnants of a few tired M110's out of the shed and now destined for the metal merchant. Giles
I have pulled down this engine to separate the aluminum from the cast iron bits;
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Am I wasting my time separating the bits? - At least it's easier for me to put the separated engine in the back of the ute and take the parts to the recyclers rather than getting them to come to me.
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Post by John Green » Sun 27 Jul, 2014 9:23 pm

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Post by Giles » Sun 27 Jul, 2014 9:29 pm

[quote="Ivanerrol"
Am I wasting my time separating the bits? - At least it's easier for me to put the separated engine in the back of the ute and take the parts to the recyclers rather than getting them to come to me.[/quote]

I did with 2 of the three, but couldn't be bothered with the third.

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Post by m48pro69 » Sun 27 Jul, 2014 9:53 pm

Very cool John is that the federal highway out near Majura road. :dance:
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Post by Greg in Oz » Sun 27 Jul, 2014 11:03 pm

I had used up my stock of oil filters but a recent delivery from the forum sponsor included more of those so both 190E 2.3 (8v) got an oil service. Just as I was finishing that job "Oz Coz" called by in his 2.3-16. I have been a bit critical of the shift feel of my recently acquired 2.3-16 (compared to the shift feel of my 2.3 Sportline) so "Oz Coz" suggested I drive his car to compare. I preferred the shift feel of his car so I think I will be removing the metal shifter bushes in mine and replacing them with the softer original items as fitted to his car and my Sportline. I also suspect my 2.3-16 may need an adjustment of of the shift linkages as selecting first gear is much more difficult than in "Oz Coz's" car or my Sportline.
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Post by AMG » Mon 28 Jul, 2014 11:17 pm

Washed them - One needed it moreso than the other as it's done just over 4000km in the last 4 days.
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Post by John Green » Wed 30 Jul, 2014 3:18 pm

m48pro69 wrote:Very cool John is that the federal highway out near Majura road. :dance:
No, Edwin Land Parkway between Jerra and Qbn.
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Post by Jake » Wed 30 Jul, 2014 5:41 pm

We've had a couple of weeks of 2 deg mornings , some a lot colder .

300D getting harder to start.

New battery today .

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Post by m48pro69 » Wed 30 Jul, 2014 8:36 pm

No, Edwin Land Parkway between Jerra and Qbn.
Very cool been looking at Jerra house prices. Thought about the ACT corrective services but after close to 15 years I think its time for a change.
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Thu 31 Jul, 2014 7:56 pm

In trying to sort out a persistent front end vibration I read about "road load wheel balancing" and tracked down a tyre dealer who had the same equipment here in Melbourne.

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The machine allows measurement of the wheel diameter and the tyre diameter, and suggests which tyre should go on which rim, then balances the wheel tyre combo with an applied load, to simulate the tyre deformation experienced in on-the-road conditions.

One of my tyres is out of round. The target 'weight' - and I have to find out what this precisely means - is less than 9kg. I have 3.5kg, 7kg, 13.5kg & 14kg. The latter apparently needed 50g of balance weights. The better pair are on the front (previously I had the 3.5kg & 14kg up front, despite having had all 4 wheels/tyres rebalanced when I first noticed the vibration). The car feels a whole lot better at all speeds to 80km/h - all I could try in Melbourne's dirty weather this afternoon - whereas previously at 75-90 km/h there was an annoying steering wheel shake.

So hopefully all ok, although the rear balance weights fouled the backing plate on the rear discs. They had to be removed, split into two and turned 90 degrees. Sounded like there was no more rubbing when turned by hand but driving away I could here them rub. The interference was very small, it was pouring & I - silly as it is - continued and soon the sound was gone, ie the wheel weights would have ground down.... I'm sure this will be frowned upon, I didn't like it either.

All of this was the result of fitting cheap tyres so I could get the car on the road. I always prefer Michelins and have always got 90K+ km across a variety of cars, including my Discovery. Goes to show cost cutting is a false economy.

[Edit: 4-wheel/tyre matching & balancing cost $80]
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Post by AndrewsSL/SEL » Fri 01 Aug, 2014 7:39 am

New front flex disc on the SL and a tie rod on the SEL

Only a little worn out :think:
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Post by Greg in Oz » Sat 02 Aug, 2014 11:44 pm

Greg in Oz wrote:Drove my recently purchased 2.3-16 Cosworth to Canberra and back. Any of my other cars would easily do this on less than a tank of fuel. I was somewhat concerned when arriving in Canberra to see the gauge already reading below half but wasn't sure if it was just an inaccurate gauge or heavy fuel consumption. The reserve light coming on well before getting back home confirmed the latter. The fuel consumption made my 8 valve 2.3 Sportline look like a fuel miser and even my 500SLC appear economical.

I suspect the problem may be due to something else I noticed. The outside ambient temperature was in the single digits and the coolant temperature was only sitting at around 70 degrees whilst cruising at around 110km/h on the highway. I am therefore suspicious of a faulty thermostat as running cold seems to be a common failure mode (I have had several fail this way in other MBs). Such a low coolant temperature will cause the ECU to run a rich mixture as they should run at between about 85 and 90 degrees in moderate ambient temperatures (and over 100 degrees is still normal in high ambient temps). I know the temperature gauge reads correctly as in higher ambient temperatures in traffic it reads a more normal temperature and if left idling for an extended period will cycle the cooling fan on and off at the expected temperatures...
The Classic Rally Club has a lunch run on tomorrow so rather than taking the 500SLC, I thought I'd give the 2.3-16 a run. First I would need to replace that suspect thermostat with the new item purchased from the forum sponsor. I removed the old thermostat and placed it, along with the new thermostat, into a saucepan of water on the stove. As I expected, the old thermostat was opening at a lower temperature than it should and was wide open before the new thermostat even started to open. The kids found it amusing that I was "cooking" car parts on the stove but my wife is used to this now (the oven is great for baking paint).

Whilst fitting the new thermostat, I noticed the thin hose between the end of the fuel pressure regulator and the idle air circuit was disconnected so I reconnected it. I started the engine to allow it to warm up so I could check for coolant leaks at the thermostat. I was surprised when it was a bit difficult to start and was running rich when it started. It continued to run rich at idle and was lumpy coming off idle. Apart from the new thermostat, all I had done was reconnect the thin hose at the fuel pressure regulator. I disconnected the hose again to find fuel dripping from it. Normally this hose should be dry so obviously the fuel pressure regulator is leaking internally. With the hose connected as it should be, the leaking fuel was being fed into the idle air circuit resulting in the rich idle. With the hose disconnected as it had been, the fuel simply dripped and evaporated. This would also be contributing to the heavy fuel consumption that the cold running thermostat would have been causing. At times I had also noticed a fuel odour so at least there was now an explanation for that.

To continue with my plan to use the car tomorrow, the leaky fuel pressure regulator would need to be replaced. I figured parts car (2.3 - 8v) to the rescue again. I removed its pressure regulator and, whilst it looked the same as the one on the 2.3-16, it carried a different part number. A check of the EPC confirmed that the 16 valve M102 engines all run one type of pressure regulator and every other M102 and M103 runs another which was the spare one I had from my parts car. I suspected they run at different fuel pressures (and even think I remember hearing or reading this). A phone call to "Oz Coz" had him checking literature relevant to the 16v which confirmed a higher fuel pressure for the 16v models. My parts car wouldn't be able to rescue me on this occasion. The 2.3-16 went back into the garage and the 500SLC will be going for the run tomorrow instead.
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Post by John Green » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 8:34 am

AndrewsSL/SEL wrote:New front flex disc on the SL and a tie rod on the SEL

Only a little worn out :think:
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Post by AndrewsSL/SEL » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 10:07 am

John Green wrote:Did you use the later style solid coupling? Whoever was responsible for the original design should be hung...
Yep
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Post by Hendrik » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 10:27 am

John Green wrote:Did you use the later style solid coupling? Whoever was responsible for the original design should be hung...
Me thinks they original design was designed to absorb some shock and allow for some misalignment, such as the engine and transmission mounts collapsing.

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Post by Jake » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 1:40 pm

Spent a couple of hours applying polish to the blue 300D . A very satisfying task :)
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Mon 04 Aug, 2014 7:47 pm

Checked for front end vibration following last week's 4-wheel "road load balancing" by driving 385km.... Melbourne - Tullamarine - shortcut to Clarkefield - Lancefield - Baynton - Mia Mia - Strathfieldsaye - Bendigo and return via Heathcote / Pyalong / Lancefield.

Yep, no vibration.

What fantastic roads, blue skies (in August!) and a great car. First time I've really enjoyed it as previous drives have been mostly 'getting to know you' and building up trust. The SLC is such a nice chassis: forgiving, compliant, faithful, fun. I've driven these roads years ago in the w114 280E and this is so much sportier (quicker steering, lower centre of gravity)....and so much more involving than the w201 (superbly competent but underwhelming as a 2L auto). I also know these roads well from my 505 Turbodiesel days.... such great roads for good cars. I highly recommend them. Not for cruising, as they need alot of concentration, but very rewarding.
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Post by John Green » Mon 04 Aug, 2014 8:26 pm

shortcut to Clarkefield - Lancefield - Baynton - Mia Mia - Strathfieldsaye - Bendigo and return via Heathcote / Pyalong / Lancefield.
That is a nice drive, I lived in Bendigo for 4 years in the mid 80's and it was my favourite route from Melbourne to Bendigo. I love the small rocks by the side of the road north of Lancefield.
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Post by Greg in Oz » Tue 05 Aug, 2014 3:19 am

TheMadRacoon wrote:... The SLC is such a nice chassis: forgiving, compliant, faithful, fun. I've driven these roads years ago in the w114 280E and this is so much sportier (quicker steering, lower centre of gravity)....and so much more involving than the w201 (superbly competent but underwhelming as a 2L auto)...
I too love the SLC on a good country road and my 500SLC is my choice of car for classic rallies. I suspect however that your comment re the W201 would change if you were to drive one with well sorted suspension (a 16 valve or Sportline or similarly setup example), a bit more grunt than a 2 litre, and manual transmission. This combination turns the W201 into a true driver's car. Even my 8 valve 2.3 Sportline with its manual box (which transforms the four to feel anything but under-powered) sees me taking the longer route just to enjoy the car. My 107 and 201s are very different cars but each very enjoyable in their own way.
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Tue 05 Aug, 2014 10:03 am

Greg in Oz wrote: I suspect however that your comment re the W201 would change if you were to drive one with well sorted suspension (a 16 valve or Sportline or similarly setup example)
Greg, I think I would prefer a gruntier engine in the 190E ahead of an upgraded suspension, as the standard chassis was brilliant. But I am not in a position to judge.... unless you feel generous and would like to swap the Cosworth for my Fiesta :laughing6:
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Re: What did you do to your benz today?

Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 05 Aug, 2014 9:34 pm

John Green wrote:
shortcut to Clarkefield - Lancefield - Baynton - Mia Mia - Strathfieldsaye - Bendigo and return via Heathcote / Pyalong / Lancefield.
That is a nice drive, I lived in Bendigo for 4 years in the mid 80's and it was my favourite route from Melbourne to Bendigo. I love the small rocks by the side of the road north of Lancefield.
Where these rocks are - parked next to Ivanerrol's W209
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If you live in Victoria you should do that drive.
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Yesterday I spent 4 hrs taking the heater fan out of a w114. :Doh:
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Found a slightly melted pad sensor in my w126 was causing the pad wear indicator light to come on then cleaned the ABS sensors on the w126 and the 190E. :dance:
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Post by SBW108 » Thu 07 Aug, 2014 5:39 pm

120k service new front pads and replaced the viscous fan clutch that wasn't very viscous today
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 6:00 am

Fresh oil & filter, fresh transmission fluid & filter, new timing chain, guides, tensioner etc, tapet adjustment (asked for it, told there was a changeover to hydraulic tapets at some stage so they will check), new belts. I'll be more relaxed driving it now.

Occasionally it would feel like the engine cuts out for half a second. Like a prolonged miss. Had me thinking it's either trigger point wiring harness (it's been repaired), throttle position sensor (I haven't tried counting the 20 clicks) or, just maybe, something to do with a stretched timing chain changing the timing slightly? When I pick it up I'll see if it still does it.
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Post by Giles » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 9:02 am

I've experienced the same '1/2second gasp' in all four D-jet'd car I've owned.

It's like it nods off then awakens. I've put it down to having a power nap. It also keeps the driver on his toes.

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Post by Mercmad » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 9:10 am

TheMadRacoon wrote:Fresh oil & filter, fresh transmission fluid & filter, new timing chain, guides, tensioner etc, tapet adjustment (asked for it, told there was a changeover to hydraulic tapets at some stage so they will check), new belts. I'll be more relaxed driving it now.

Occasionally it would feel like the engine cuts out for half a second. Like a prolonged miss. Had me thinking it's either trigger point wiring harness (it's been repaired), throttle position sensor (I haven't tried counting the 20 clicks) or, just maybe, something to do with a stretched timing chain changing the timing slightly? When I pick it up I'll see if it still does it.
Mechanical tappets on all of those engines. Hydraulics came out on the alloy block engines in the W126. AMG retro fitted mechanical tappets with their kits in the 1980's.
A miss like that indicates a power supply fault. often it's just a dry joint in circuit board in the Engines ECU (switch box really) . I had a 280E which would do it all the time and i fixed it by simply cleaning up the earth points for the injection.

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Post by Mercmad » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 9:14 am

Jake wrote:Yesterday I spent 4 hrs taking the heater fan out of a w114. :Doh:
There used to be a really good site in Germany where a guy repairs the fan in a W114 .... on the side of the street in really crap weather(sleet ,frost etc ) :laughing6: :laughing6: . I have done it myself a few times,including pulling out the windscreen so the edge of the dash cover isn't wrecked.

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Post by TheMadRacoon » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 9:17 am

Giles wrote: like it nods off then awakens. I've put it down to having a power nap.
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 9:29 am

Mercmad wrote: A miss like that indicates a power supply fault. often it's just a dry joint in circuit board in the Engines ECU (switch box really) . I had a 280E which would do it all the time and i fixed it by simply cleaning up the earth points for the injection.
Thanks Ron, I'll follow that up. Are the earth points for the fuel injection at the trigger points, injectors, ecu or elsewhere.?
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Post by Greg in Oz » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 12:43 pm

TheMadRacoon wrote:Fresh oil & filter, fresh transmission fluid & filter, new timing chain, guides, tensioner etc, tapet adjustment (asked for it, told there was a changeover to hydraulic tapets at some stage so they will check), new belts. I'll be more relaxed driving it now.

Occasionally it would feel like the engine cuts out for half a second. Like a prolonged miss. Had me thinking it's either trigger point wiring harness (it's been repaired), throttle position sensor (I haven't tried counting the 20 clicks) or, just maybe, something to do with a stretched timing chain changing the timing slightly? When I pick it up I'll see if it still does it.
Assuming it's a D-Jet, it should have have had the valve clearances done. All D-Jet M116 & M117 engines require valve clearance adjustment. Hydraulic valve lash compensation came with the introduction of K-Jet to the M116 & M117 (still with iron block) for the 1976 model year and continued into the 1980s on the aluminium versions of the M116 & M117.
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Post by Giles » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 7:21 pm

TheMadRacoon wrote:
Mercmad wrote: A miss like that indicates a power supply fault. often it's just a dry joint in circuit board in the Engines ECU (switch box really) . I had a 280E which would do it all the time and i fixed it by simply cleaning up the earth points for the injection.
Thanks Ron, I'll follow that up. Are the earth points for the fuel injection at the trigger points, injectors, ecu or elsewhere.?
I'm pretty sure you follow the injector wiring back to where the bunch of brown earth wires will ground.

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Post by Giles » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 7:57 pm

Getting closer to rear subframe fitting.
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The fuel lines are now in for the first time in 3 years.

Hope to fit the brake lines this coming week, then things will begin to happen.

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Post by TheMadRacoon » Sat 23 Aug, 2014 10:40 pm

Thanks Giles
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:01 pm

Well, a pleasant surprise today when I picked up the car: the existing timing chain was apparently new and had no slack, and the guides all look to have been recently replaced. I was a bit unsure but they had done a test, I think hand cranking engine with the tensioner backed off but would not jump a tooth. I asked specifically about the guides because of their tendency to break but was assured they'd been checked and not worn or cracked (forgot to ask about colour, but I trust them. Besides, I'd given the OK to go ahead and change chain, tensioner, guides etc ). Wonder if PO had done them with the water pump which he said was changed. Or perhaps the PPO as PO didn't do alot of miles.

The odd sound I'd heard were the belts which I knew since buying the car needed replacement. Valve clearances adjusted cold, to spec. Feel I can put my foot down less reservedly now :-)
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Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 02 Sep, 2014 10:00 pm

Dropped the key from my W202 on the ground accidentally - hard.

Key wouldn't lock the car remotely after this. :wall: :wall:

Took the key apart and checked the circuit board carefully under the magnifying combo light. No apparent damage.
Checked batteries voltage - one down slightly there are two CR2025's in the remote.
Found the spare remote - that didn't work either. Checked the batteries one slightly down the other O.K.


Put two batteries which indicated over three volts in one of the remote. Tried it out - still no good.
Checked the internet. Remotes must be synchronized - even old ones.

In pre '96 update W202's the synchro method is :
Sit in car. Aim remote at the rear vision mirror. Push button twice in quick succession. Install key into ignition switch and turn to position II - all console lights lit but not started.
Wait five seconds. Green Led on rear vision mirror should flash twice. Remove key from ignition and see if the remote is working again. You probably have success.

One of the remotes wouldn't work. Changed batteries around. This fixed the problem.

If your remotes batteries are even a shade under three volts chances are the remote won't work correctly.

I don't know why the synchro failed on the remote I dropped on the ground - but it's O.K. now.

There is another method for synchronizing W202 keys. You will need to search the web to find the other method - I can't say if it's correct or not.

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Post by Greg in Oz » Tue 02 Sep, 2014 11:29 pm

Oldest son (now on P-plates) had a good go at killing the M102 in the blue-black 190E 2.3 (the youngest and lowest mileage car in our fleet). He phones me early tonight and says steam came from under the bonnet. I asked what the temperature gauge showed and he replied that he didn't notice. He did comment that the coolant light had been on for a few days. Good one son! :banghead: :angry5:

I told him to leave the car where it was (not far from home) and walk home. I went to the car after dinner and it needed 4 litres to bring it back to the correct level. Amazingly, it started up fine and isn't showing any symptoms of being overheated. Just the same, I won't be too surprised if it suffers a head gasket failure in the near future. I also informed him that if it does suffer any mechanical failure as a result of this, he can pay for it! If he is too slack to maintain the car we provide for his use, he can learn the hard way with some hip pocket pain.

What has me puzzled is where the coolant is going. For the whole time we have owned this car (it was the cheapy I bought on eBay a few years ago) it has needed coolant top ups. There aren't any obvious external leaks, certainly not consistent with the amount it needs topping up. I have addressed a few minor leaks and the only very slight one I can still see it where one of the heater pipes joins the heater core. Coolant never appears under the car although on occasions I have noticed the odour of coolant when the heater is first used. Perhaps the heater core is leaking but strangely nothing ever appears to suggest this. The only other possibility could be a leaking head gasket but again there aren't any symptoms or signs. There isn't oil in the coolant (a common sign of head gasket failure on an M102 or M103), coolant in the oil, or evidence of combustion gasses escaping via the cooling system or coolant from the exhaust. The engine runs fine so this is a bit of a mystery.
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Greg in Oz wrote:Oldest son (now on P-plates) had a good go at killing the M102 in the blue-black 190E 2.3 (the youngest and lowest mileage car in our fleet). He phones me early tonight and says steam came from under the bonnet. I asked what the temperature gauge showed and he replied that he didn't notice. He did comment that the coolant light had been on for a few days. Good one son! :banghead: :angry5:
Know the feeling. Had this same thing happen with two different cousins. One decided to sneak out in his uncle's immaculate w108 280SE that had been on blocks some 10 years....
What has me puzzled is where the coolant is going. For the whole time we have owned this car (it was the cheapy I bought on eBay a few years ago) it has needed coolant top ups. There aren't any obvious external leaks, certainly not consistent with the amount it needs topping up.... There isn't oil in the coolant (a common sign of head gasket failure on an M102 or M103), coolant in the oil, or evidence of combustion gasses escaping via the cooling system or coolant from the exhaust. The engine runs fine so this is a bit of a mystery.
My M102 w201 would use up coolant with no obvious leaks, or cross contamination of oil & coolant. Only symptom was that it occasionally was hard to start, ie would start on the second try. Turned out to be the head gasket - coolant was leaking into combustion chamber. Perhaps with a slow leak it would be akin to water injection and not be noticeable at the exhaust?
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Post by Greg in Oz » Wed 03 Sep, 2014 2:47 pm

TheMadRacoon wrote:
Greg in Oz wrote:Oldest son (now on P-plates) had a good go at killing the M102 in the blue-black 190E 2.3 (the youngest and lowest mileage car in our fleet). He phones me early tonight and says steam came from under the bonnet. I asked what the temperature gauge showed and he replied that he didn't notice. He did comment that the coolant light had been on for a few days. Good one son! :banghead: :angry5:
Know the feeling. Had this same thing happen with two different cousins. One decided to sneak out in his uncle's immaculate w108 280SE that had been on blocks some 10 years....
What has me puzzled is where the coolant is going. For the whole time we have owned this car (it was the cheapy I bought on eBay a few years ago) it has needed coolant top ups. There aren't any obvious external leaks, certainly not consistent with the amount it needs topping up.... There isn't oil in the coolant (a common sign of head gasket failure on an M102 or M103), coolant in the oil, or evidence of combustion gasses escaping via the cooling system or coolant from the exhaust. The engine runs fine so this is a bit of a mystery.
My M102 w201 would use up coolant with no obvious leaks, or cross contamination of oil & coolant. Only symptom was that it occasionally was hard to start, ie would start on the second try. Turned out to be the head gasket - coolant was leaking into combustion chamber. Perhaps with a slow leak it would be akin to water injection and not be noticeable at the exhaust?
Interesting you should mention that, and especially that it was occasionally hard to start. Ours runs fine but cold starts always take a bit of cranking and usually a couple of attempts followed by rough running for the first 10 to 30 seconds or so. This along with the coolant loss had me wondering if the head gasket was crook and allowing coolant into one or more combustion chambers whilst the car sits with pressure remaining in the cooling system. Probably time I inspect the spark plugs for evidence of water. I also have a borescope camera so I should remove the plugs for a look after the car has sat overnight. Another idea could be to release pressure from the cooling system immediately after driving the car to see if that makes the next cold start any easier. If so, that would point to coolant being forced into a combustion chamber whilst sitting. My prior experiences with failed head gaskets on M102 and M103 engines have always been with oil in the coolant and/or oil escaping at the rear of the head. Coolant in a chamber would be a new one for me so I'm pleased you mentioned that as something you experienced with yours.
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Post by Jake » Wed 03 Sep, 2014 3:00 pm

The cruise control on the 280CE has always been poor, dropping off speed , so unusable .

I had a friend re-solder the circuit board on the amplifier and I am delighted to report it is all perfect again.
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Wed 03 Sep, 2014 9:09 pm

Greg in Oz wrote: runs fine but cold starts always take a bit of cranking and usually a couple of attempts followed by rough running for the first 10 to 30 seconds or so.
Yes, that sounds familiar. Not sure how the mechanic diagnosed it, but they came back with the answer quite quickly. Perhaps they did a pressure test on the coolant circuit with the engine not running, and not finding any coolant leaks but observing a drop in coolant level pointed them in the right direction. I recall saying to them that I observed no oil/water cross contamination and they said that they had encountered this before (authorised Benz service agent so they do nothing but Benzes).

Your suggested tests are logical and I can't think of any other problem they would point to.

BTW sorry to hear it's happened to you, and I hope there proves to be no overheating damage. I recall the m102 would cycle up to 100degC and Rolf (the manager) told me they were designed to operate in this range.
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Post by Giles » Wed 03 Sep, 2014 9:41 pm

Delivered the drive shaft pieces to Perth today to get balanced. Took them to a guy with a huge reputation for specialising in drive lines. He has done numerous job for Grants (Cripple Merc's) cars including his W108.

Soon to be a hybrid 5 speed short version for front section and a W116 280 S rear section which required a different centre mount and bearing than the original W114.

It actually looks like it requires the W123 prefix centre mount.

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Post by Greg in Oz » Wed 03 Sep, 2014 10:13 pm

TheMadRacoon wrote:
Greg in Oz wrote: runs fine but cold starts always take a bit of cranking and usually a couple of attempts followed by rough running for the first 10 to 30 seconds or so.
Yes, that sounds familiar. Not sure how the mechanic diagnosed it, but they came back with the answer quite quickly. Perhaps they did a pressure test on the coolant circuit with the engine not running, and not finding any coolant leaks but observing a drop in coolant level pointed them in the right direction. I recall saying to them that I observed no oil/water cross contamination and they said that they had encountered this before (authorised Benz service agent so they do nothing but Benzes).

Your suggested tests are logical and I can't think of any other problem they would point to.

BTW sorry to hear it's happened to you, and I hope there proves to be no overheating damage. I recall the m102 would cycle up to 100degC and Rolf (the manager) told me they were designed to operate in this range.
At least doing a head gasket is a simple job on an M102. About the only difficulty can be stubborn to remove retainer pins for the timing chain rails. So long as the head is flat and valves are sealing, it should be an inexpensive job to do myself. Besides, I can issue the instructions and let my boys do the dirty work since it's the car provided for their use. Nothing like hands on experience to learn car repair and maintenance! Anyway, before I get ahead of myself I first need to confirm if the coolant is leaking into a combustion chamber.
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107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
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124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
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201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
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Re: What did you do to your benz today?

Post by Mercmad » Tue 09 Sep, 2014 7:58 pm

Put a new ring gear and starter drive plus flex disc in the sleeping SEC .starts and runs beautifully again. :occasion5:
Seems that in the past the 2nd hand engine I fitted had the flex plate installed without the inner spacer...duh! :violent1: . The ring gear was 4.5mm too close to the starter so it would clash and eventually it knocked a few teeth off.i never noticed this as I just fitted the engine after checking the leakdown etc.

other job was to change the oil and filter in the 300D turbo and look at the state of the suspension (not good ha ha) so i fitted the spare wheels from my 6.3 with finny hub caps for a completely different look. :wave:

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Re: What did you do to your benz today?

Post by SBW108 » Tue 09 Sep, 2014 8:07 pm

Fitted a series 1 steering wheel to Merc #2, anyone got a decent horn pad forsale?Image
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