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Terminology assistance,

Post by wilsonjermy » Mon 11 May, 2015 5:10 am

hello all,

I am reading the some old posts here, I am reading some words that I don't know what they mean. I am not a mechanic and I'm new to this, so any assistance will be great,

1- when it says that a car has a badge, or it is not sold with the car, what does the badge mean?
2- what is the difference between a roadster and a coupe?

thanks a lot,
cheers,

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Re: Terminology assistance,

Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 11 May, 2015 8:36 am

Not sure you mean by the first question re: badges?

A coupe is a 2-door car with a fixed roof and a roaster is an open-top 2 seater (also often referred to as a cabrio or convertible).

An example is the 107 series MB's, these were available as a coupe: the C107 SLC series:
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Or as a roaster, the R107 SL series. On top of this, Mercedes roadsters often came with a removable hardtop, which is a solid roof and rear windscreen section that can be installed in lieu of the soft top - in the pic below are three R107 SL roadsters, the one on the left has the removable hardtop installed, middle one has the soft top up and the one on the right has the top down.

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Re: Terminology assistance,

Post by Aegean » Mon 11 May, 2015 8:49 am

With reference to the badge or no badge, I think this refers to ads on CarSales, and I have no idea what it means either.
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Re: Terminology assistance,

Post by T-Modell » Mon 11 May, 2015 4:34 pm

pastelgrey300D wrote:...

A coupe is a 2-door car with a fixed roof and a roaster is an open-top 2 seater (also often referred to as a cabrio or convertible).
...
Adding to this, imho a roadster is defined as the pure, simple two-seater open-top, e. g. Triumph, MG's, Morgan etc. Anything with more comfort is more a Cabriolet, so some people say, a R107SL is not a "roadster", because it's too comfortable ...

Anyway, when I was a little boy, I didn't know the difference between an SL and an SLC ...so I always wondered, why Mercedes built the SLC, when you could have the SL with a hardtop ... which in my opinion was the same car ... :laughing6: :laughing6:

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Re: Terminology assistance,

Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 11 May, 2015 6:25 pm

so I always wondered, why Mercedes built the SLC, when you could have the SL with a hardtop ... which in my opinion was the same car ...
Careful saying that on here... you may offend a certain 5.0 litre slc owner...! Let's not forget how good the SLC was as a rally car and the extra wheelbase/body length meant that anyone with legs could actually sit in the back...

Technically a roadster, cabriolet and convertible are all different body styles but people tend to use any or all of these terms to describe a car with no roof ... if you want to really offend a Finnie Cabriolet owner, refer to their car as a convertible and then just wait for the lecture/yelling.... :laughing6:
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Post by John Green » Tue 12 May, 2015 12:59 pm

pastelgrey300D wrote:
so I always wondered, why Mercedes built the SLC, when you could have the SL with a hardtop ... which in my opinion was the same car ...
Careful saying that on here... you may offend a certain 5.0 litre slc owner...! :
I have always found the SLC to be a far superior touring car in terms of handling, cabin noises, comfort (the seat goes back further) and a few other things. The lack of a roof means the chassis is never going to be as stiff a a car with a roof..
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Re: Terminology assistance,

Post by Giles » Tue 12 May, 2015 1:10 pm

Roadsters are great to be seen in, Coupes are the drivers car where rigidness is essential.

As far as "badge so" they're the indicator of what class and most often was size of engine. These are quite often incorrect as it's easy to rebadge a boot emblem. The VIN is what is important. As this will tell you a lot more about the car.

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Re: Terminology assistance,

Post by wilsonjermy » Wed 13 May, 2015 4:14 am

hi all,
thanks for your comments,
the badge as i understand from Carsales.com.au is the type of model of a car with a variation in that model, so there it is, hope that helps....
as I understood, like Mercedes E200, there is the Classic, Elegance etc....

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Re: Terminology assistance,

Post by Mercmad » Sat 23 May, 2015 11:05 am

car sales .com has a lousy system which doesn.t recognise all variations .

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Re: Terminology assistance,

Post by Giles » Sat 23 May, 2015 8:28 pm

Mercmad wrote:car sales .com has a lousy system which doesn.t recognise all variations .
Some insurance companies don't recognise non Australian delivered model also.

When I insured Nelson Shannons hadn't had a 500SE, W140 version, on their records but did add it to their data base. No doudt there are some insurance companies that wouldn't.

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