5 speed ZF GEARBOX

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5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by skat66 » Wed 02 Jul, 2008 5:29 pm

I am desperately looking for a ZF 5-20 gear box for my w113 or any parts to suit same.
Currently running a 4 speed but trying to get the vehicle back to the original data card that specified the 5-20 gear box. Have not been able to locate one in Oz or when I have it has already been sold!
Any helpful redirects would be appreciated. Email me on bytemarkspty@bigpond.com
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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by skat66 » Tue 14 Dec, 2010 1:56 pm

After 2 1/2 years I gave up any hope of finding a 5 speed ZF and have now fitted a Getrag 5 speed instead for the moment.

Meanwhile, for all W113 owners, the 50th anniversary of the Pagoda is fast approaching in 2013. See http://www.ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10485 for more details of the early stages of planning for this event. Early days yet but put it in your diary for 2013.

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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by Mercmad » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 9:36 pm

John Freeman in Toowoomba has one i think. i was told by a guy on the ponton yahoo site that he had one and when i told a mate about it,he got in his car and drove Washington DC to Florida to grab it before the seller/donor could change his mind.. :laughing6:
Mercedes used to sell reconditioned units but i don't know if they still do.

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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by skat66 » Fri 17 Dec, 2010 8:34 pm

The problem is that in the USA they thought the ZF 5 speed was the utimate in a Pagoda, whether it was original equipment or not so there are probably more there now with 5 speeds than ever produced. Drove the prices up beyond the pale destroyed the market place with at that time their strong dollar. With the GFC the prices of their cars have come down, maybe the gearboxes will also. :angry4:
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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by Mercmad » Sat 18 Dec, 2010 8:13 pm

One of the blokes who works at Sleeping beauties has a toyota Supra 5 speed in his Mercedes . Miles cheaper,stronger,and better gearchange with better ratio spread . He adapted it by using a specailly made flywheel and a bell hosuing from an automatic. Unless some anorak gets up under your car or you tell them,,who on earth could tell? ;) ;)

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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by skat66 » Sat 18 Dec, 2010 11:01 pm

I ended up putting a Getrag 5 speed from a BMW M5 into the car with an adapter and new drive shaft. Had to change the electronic speedo output to a mechanical one and a new gearbox mount under it. It works really well and fits well with the 3.46 rear end that I had put in earlier.
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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by CraigB » Sun 19 Dec, 2010 10:03 am

That sounds great. Just wondering a few more details as to what was involved because it sounds like it just bolted straight up. I'm guessing the adaptor was a plate between the box and motor but was the input shaft of the gearbox the right length? Also diameter, was there any machining needed to go into the spigot in the flywheel? Do the splines fit into the benz clutch plate or do you run a BMW driven plate or did you need to get something made up, like the bmw centre put into a benz driven plate. Same flywheel and pressure plate i'm guessing? And you said new drive shaft, was that basically a shortened benz 2 piece with the same bearing and mid mount?

Sorry about all the questions and I am happy with the 4 speed in my pagoda but there is often lots of talk about people doing a manual conversion but few that actually carry through, well at least that I know of. I use my W126 SEC occasionally for circuit sprints but often have in the back of my mind what a stripped track car with a manual box would do.
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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by skat66 » Wed 22 Dec, 2010 10:39 pm

Greg,

In putting in the Getrag gearbox, a member of the W113 Forum in the UK made up a kit for the change over that included the following
the adapter plate
new concentricity adapter
bush (that adapts the end of the input shaft)
brackets to mount gearshift rods
bracket to support getrag (replaces pagoda gearbox mount)
You would need another few things from BMW including gearbox rubber mountings, a flexidisk and end from a bmw propshaft,
I had a new prop shaft made that is slightly shorter than the original one used with the 4 speed as well as a new speedo cable that had the end for the BMW worm drive for mechanical speedo output in place of the electronic one.

Other than those parts, It pretty much fitted in well with only some minor modifications along the waY as we adapted to any problems we struck along the way.
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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by AMG » Fri 01 Jul, 2011 9:50 am

Have moved the off-thread discussion to here:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=13045

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Re: 5 speed ZF GEARBOX

Post by Mercmad » Fri 01 Jul, 2011 10:02 am

ZF now sell five speed trannys for pagodas .
http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/products ... _cars.html

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