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Old 300SL photo

Post by martinkass » Mon 10 Oct, 2011 11:00 pm

Gullwing owned by Jack Jeffries and Peter McGrath in 70's ? Unusual itmes include the front fog lights with mesh, the electric fan fitted near the rear view mirror and I believe the paint was deliberatly removed from the centre hubcaps .
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Post by martinkass » Mon 10 Oct, 2011 11:07 pm

My father in law standing next to his new 300SL gullwing outside Jack Jeffries Mercedes service when it was in Dover Heights Sydney. He later painted the car white - must have been too hot!
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Post by Mercmad » Sun 18 Dec, 2011 6:58 pm

I wonder how many gullwings came to OZ?
The last one Wolf did was originally black and had been converted by Arthur Rizzo in Sydney to RHD. Wolfs guys converted it back again.
The fan would have been an absolute necessity in OZ Heat and a lot of gull wing owners here took the doors off in summer when cruising around.

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Post by martinkass » Wed 15 May, 2013 5:52 pm

The black 300SL in the previous post is the car that Rizzo converted to RHD ..

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Post by Mercmad » Mon 27 May, 2013 9:30 pm

it's now a sort of Cream color with Red seats and in the hands of Vern Shuppan. i understand Jumbo Goddard owned it at one point around this time.

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Post by jimbo » Mon 03 Jun, 2013 4:47 pm

When I was a young Sprite-driving lout about town in Brisbane during the Sixties,a RHD Gullwing used to come up for the Tasman series.The mention of the dash mounted fan rings a bell somewhere in my remaining brain cells.If I recall,the rego. (NSW black plates) was SL-300.Could this be one of the cars mentioned?? I think colour was sort of just off-white with red trim...How many cars were converted to RHD? The Tasman series used to bring lots of exotica up for our admiration and envy.
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Post by Mercmad » Thu 20 Jun, 2013 8:04 pm

not too many,in fact Wolf Grodd converted one himself about 20 years ago . BEA has the red roadster that Wolf owned and that was a Rizzo conversion too.. The problem is that the cars had virtually no ventilation (ok for Germany..) and the RHD conversion didn't have enough space for feet . The gullwing and 300L roadster engine leans over to the right .If you had little feet it wasn't a problem.

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Post by 91Bends » Sat 24 May, 2014 8:41 am

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Hi there,

it's an old thread but an interesting one. This picture is taken when my uncle purchased his Gullwing in the 70's, originally white. He then painted it silver and rallied it around Australia and OS. I have some fantastic shots of him competing in the targa Tas.

I dont suppose you recognise this car?
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 26 May, 2014 9:19 am

I dont suppose you recognise this car?
Is that the same car that was on display at MB Adelaide when they launched the new SLS a few years back?
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Post by 91Bends » Mon 26 May, 2014 10:48 am

I don't think so.

My Uncle's Gullwing was sold in the late 90s after he passed away to a stock broker interstate - I think my aunt said on the Gold Coast. He kept it in the lobby of his office to show clients where good investing can lead you. More likely he just got a lot of extra commission by encouraging people to trade hard.

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Post by thirstymerc » Tue 27 May, 2014 12:06 pm

I don't think so.

My Uncle's Gullwing was sold in the late 90s after he passed away to a stock broker interstate - I think my aunt said on the Gold Coast. He kept it in the lobby of his office to show clients where good investing can lead you. More likely he just got a lot of extra commission by encouraging people to trade hard.
Hmmm, I wonder if this is the same gullwing that the Australian Golfer, Anthony Painter, bought from the widow of a Gold Coast businessman in the early to mid 2000s? My brother used to play golf with him and had a few rides in it.
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Post by 91Bends » Wed 28 May, 2014 6:59 am

Quite possibly, I'm not sure what happened to it after but one day would love to track it down.

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Post by 91Bends » Wed 28 May, 2014 7:06 am

Here are some photos of the cream 300SL owned by Vern Schuppan, now owned by Ray Eastwood. It was on display a few weeks ago at Carrick Hill, Adelaide.
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Post by Mercmad » Thu 29 May, 2014 8:11 am

91Bends wrote:Quite possibly, I'm not sure what happened to it after but one day would love to track it down.
by 'Stock broker' ,do you mean David Bowden? He has a silver Gullwing. He doesn't drive anymore but i think the car is on display in his little Museum North of brisbane.
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Post by Mercmad » Thu 29 May, 2014 8:18 am

91Bends wrote:Here are some photos of the cream 300SL owned by Vern Schuppan, now owned by Ray Eastwood. It was on display a few weeks ago at Carrick Hill, Adelaide.
Most of the cars history was wiped out when the car was "restored" . it was one of the first RHD gullwings converted by Arthur Rizzo in the 50's and this alone should have been preserved.
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Post by 91Bends » Thu 29 May, 2014 10:50 am

Thanks Mercmad,

that's the one! Some of the details of who bought it must have got a little blurred when passed on to me but absolutely it's the right Gullwing. I'm glad it's in a good home but boy I wish it was still in the family. My aunt must have given them a few photos when they sold it. We have some great albums of it, as they took it in plenty of rallies.

As it happens I took over reigns of the family wine business a few years back. For a long time now we've been producers of premium Adelaide Hills wine but part of my influence has been to expand to the Barossa Valley. In a few months we'll release our 2009 Barossa Valley Shiraz and the label will feature artwork based on an old photo of this Gullwing.

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Post by Mercmad » Thu 29 May, 2014 4:29 pm

My Prussian Ancestors ,the Schieb Family were in the wine game too,working for George Wyndham around Branxton in the hunter Valley ...in the mid 1800's. no Mercs back then. :laughing6: :laughing6:
The Gullwing has been well looked after by a guy at noosa (I think) , I thought i had a pic of it I took year before last when it was on display with Bowdens car polish display ,at the local RACQ car show. It's a really nice example.

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Post by Mercmad » Thu 29 May, 2014 4:44 pm

here it is.... :computer:
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Post by 91Bends » Fri 30 May, 2014 12:13 pm

Yes I can see from Bowdens website they are absolute enthusiasts so I'm sure it's in sparkling condition.

That was interesting to hear about the ex Schuppan 300SL - going from LHD - RHD - LHD. Were there many RHD conversions done in the 50s and how are they perceived in the market place as a result?

Nice to see wine is in your blood too.

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Post by Mercmad » Fri 30 May, 2014 5:16 pm

I am not sure how many cars Arthur Rizzo did but he all of them including the red 300SL roadster which BEA owned for a while. There is a story where a visiting Daimler engineer was sitting in the door sill of a gullwing and was attempting to explain to the Rizzo that he couldn't convert the car to RHD as it just wasn't possible. Rizzo then told him to take another look and see where the steering wheel was... on the right.
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Post by John Green » Fri 30 May, 2014 8:13 pm

Mercmad wrote:
91Bends wrote:Here are some photos of the cream 300SL owned by Vern Schuppan, now owned by Ray Eastwood. It was on display a few weeks ago at Carrick Hill, Adelaide.
Most of the cars history was wiped out when the car was "restored" . it was one of the first RHD gullwings converted by Arthur Rizzo in the 50's and this alone should have been preserved.
That's an interesting point. These cars are being converted back to LHD to make them "original" and conventional wisdom will dictate that that is logical. So what value does an ingenious Australian conversion play in the long term. I would guess very little, which is a pity as years from now the story may be different. Patrick Divine from the MBCV has one that is still RHD and maybe well be the last example.
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Post by Mercmad » Fri 30 May, 2014 8:46 pm

The fact that John" jumbo" Goddard had it converted while almost new became parts of the cars history . He hated being called Jumbo actually but he was one of lifes characters having served an apprenticeship at Napiers in the 20's where he bought his bentley,a 3 liter . He soon started messing with it and by the 1950's it was 8 liters and turbo charged . I saw it in the flesh in 1972 when he bought it to New Zealand :happy3: and from what I understand,it may have been the first road car in the world to be turbocharged and most certainly the first to have TWO turbos.He had befriended Mr Garret of the turbo name just WW2 and it was a collaboration of these two minds which lead to this creation. Just these facts alone would have led to me returning the Gullwing to it's appearance as it looked in the 1950's rather than someone elses idea of how it should look today, which has made it into yet another shiny gullwing.
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Post by Hendrik » Fri 30 May, 2014 8:52 pm

91Bends wrote: I have some fantastic shots of him competing in the targa Tas.

I dont suppose you recognise this car?
Do show and tell, please.

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