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New Member intro - SOLD

Post by gbader » Wed 15 Jun, 2016 5:46 pm

Hi all

Quick intro from a new member to say hello (and thanks thus far for all the great info in the forum)

A mate and I have just purchased a very tired W119.016 (was the one on gumtree, paid $2250 and its a bit of a beast), our intention is to convert this to a Variety bash car over the next 12 months. Before I upset anyone, I used to own a W113 pagoda and my son has a R129 SL, so we really do appreciate the marque, but this one is very rough and I doubt it was ever going to see a car show again

We are still plotting our path forward, but loosely;
  • Air suspension needs to go (it's all there but buggered), we are thinking W108 springs/diff
    Engine runs (sort of), not sure on rebuild or conversion yet
    Needs some rust work, nothing structural at this stage
Suspect this build will provide much amusement for others, all new for us :), will also have some parts to trade over time

cheers

greg
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Re: New Member intro

Post by beerbaron » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 2:15 pm

Saw this on gumtree
also had the electric windows too if i recall
congrats
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Post by V8Finny » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:54 pm

Sacrilege

Chop up one of the thousands of W108s....

:(
6.3 Litres of rusty, crusty, oily power!

69 W109 300SEL 6.3 #2462
68 W109 300SEL 6.3 #0952 - crushed by City of Monash
69 W108 280S - gone to pay for 6.3 rust repairs
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Post by gbader » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 8:25 pm

beerbaron wrote:Saw this on gumtree
also had the electric windows too if i recall
congrats
Does have electric windows (to be honest, thought all the 109's did)

Be a very long (and probably expensive) project)

V8Finny wrote:Sacrilege

Chop up one of the thousands of W108s....

:(
Feel your pain :) - truth is though, no one else wanted it and it would have been scrapped, our plan is to build it properly (subject to time/$) and hopefully this car becomes a regular on the charity rally scene

cheers

greg

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Post by gbader » Mon 01 Aug, 2016 3:11 pm

Guys

We have managed to secure a W108 donor (for suspension), looks to be in pretty good nick but have not had it apart yet

After a little wisdom pse; we want to raise the car (but not too extreme that we create other issues) - thinking it needs to be a combo of springs, pads and rims/tyres

1 - Think the W108s came with different springs (rates) dependent on engine (weight) - this is a 6 cyl so would I be correct in thinking that I can get some extra height and load carrying capacity from V8 springs (part number?)

2 - Have thicker rear spring pads on order but the front I am going to think about, seem crazy expensive for what they are?

3 - Front seems pretty straight forward but not sure on the rear, do I need to use the W108 axle as well as the arms (just that the W109 in "high mode" on the air is about where we want it to sit)

A couple of novices here, so any gentle push in the right direction appreciated

cheers

greg

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Post by T-Modell » Mon 01 Aug, 2016 4:50 pm

Greg,

@1: I know in those days special springs were available for certain countries; I once met a guy with a W111 cabriolet which was delivered to Jordania; it had 15" tyres and special springs. Maybe ask at Mercedes if something's still available.

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Post by V8Finny » Tue 02 Aug, 2016 6:46 pm

Which state?
6.3 Litres of rusty, crusty, oily power!

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68 W109 300SEL 6.3 #0952 - crushed by City of Monash
69 W108 280S - gone to pay for 6.3 rust repairs
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Post by gbader » Tue 02 Aug, 2016 11:09 pm

V8Finny wrote:Which state?
Sorry, WA

I have heard about "extra height" ones for some countries, can't find details though

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Post by gbader » Mon 30 Jan, 2017 2:33 pm

Hi all

Work is progressing (much slower than hoped), our theory was to tackle the suspension first

Front is pretty well done but was hoping a more experienced forum member could offer me their thoughts on the rear

Spring Perch - lower rear is easy (plates off the W108 to the 109 lower arm) but not sure how to proceed on the top one. One the 108 these are spot welded so not sure if I should cut/grind them and try to weld/bolt them into the 109 or would i be better off making up a set (plate and pipe). Preferred solution was to purchase something already done but cant find anything OEM or after market. Anticipating some challenges in guesstimating where the right spot will be for the new mounts

Diff - reading conflicting thoughts here so I am not sure if I should swap the diffs over (the 109 one looks to be in much better nick, so keen to keep if I can). Suspect I am going to have some challenges around camber anyway, looking to reuse the 108 springs (with beefier pads) and then supplement with longer aftermarket air shocks

Not trying to get 4x4 type heights here, but something close to the original "high" setting would be nice

Also, for WA members, starting to build up a collection of parts (off the 109 and 108) that we wont need - happy to look at deals
- 109 Air Kit
- 108 Interior (pretty good)
- 108 Engine (no idea, not a runner when we go it, twin carb, ACU)
- Panels/Chrome Trim/Glass (we will keep some)
- Wheels/hubcaps (I think there is also a set of 14" 6.3 ones - cooling fins, not sure) - happy to swap for a steel set of 15"

Sure there are other bits - this is a charity build (that's where any $ we get go), also happy to look at parts for brains/labour (actually, that would be my preferred :)

cheers

greg

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Post by Jeremy » Thu 16 Feb, 2017 8:39 pm

I may have some parts you can use for this build. I accidentally bought thicker rear spring pads for my car and after installing them thinking it'll probably be fine found that they gave around 2° positive camber. I'm going to swap them back to the original ones which honestly weren't all that bad anyway, and you can have the thick ones if you want. You might somehow get around the camber situation if you find a way to lengthen the diff mount and recentre the axle, though I cant see an easy way to do that without some serious fabrication. On a bash car though anything is possible, the only limitation is how much hackery can you put into it and still feel safe driving it :laughing5: and if you prepare for the event of the rear axle falling out of the car at speed then how bad can it really be?
PM me if you want the pads, though I still need to remove them from the car.
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Post by gbader » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 11:22 am

Jeremy

Many thanks for the kind offer, but I have both set of pads for the rear (and large ones for top)

In the process of fabricating new top mounts so will be interesting to see how it fits (take you point on the centre mount, I did read a thread where someone had modified theirs to lower the car, so maybe the opposite could work)

Silly question if you don't mind - for the rear springs, trying to work out the simplest/safest way to get them in. I have both sets of spring compressors (Merc "in the middle" ones and the outside claw type) but is there a method to strap the springs in a compressed state. Think I am going to struggle to mount the spring with the standard spring compressors in situ, dropping the trailing arm and even the diff will help but my concern is that the larger spring/pad combo will see me lifting the body before I can get close enough to bolt everything back in.

Does that make any sense? - just thought you might have a trick or two if you have been through it

cheers

greg

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Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 4:19 pm

I replaced the rear spring on my Finnie (same floorpan) with ordinary "Stanley" outside claw compressors

Bit of a struggle, but it can be done.


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Post by Jeremy » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 10:08 pm

Yep I can confirm the outside type compressors work after a bit of playing around getting the threaded rods to clear the trailing arm. I have the inside special merc ones too but there's no way to get it into the spring. I managed to get it all back together with the thick pads fairly easily, though I recall having to heave down on the axle tube to get the spring into place even when compressed. Probably not very good for the centre pivot but it worked, and still works. The real bugger of that job was installing polyurethane bushings into the trailing arm as they didn't fit all that great and they were very resistant to aligning with the fasteners. I can't say I've noticed a huge difference in the ride either so probably not really worth the extra effort than to go with rubber.

As for the diff mount, looking at where the centre mount sits in the boot you might be able to cut out around it and drop it down level with the boot floor. That would give you about 2-3 inches more height without having to hack up the diff itself, though I would be checking to see if the lateral support rod still works with the diff in a different position. Fun stuff to think about, makes me wish I had a car like that to hack up and modify myself.
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Post by gbader » Fri 24 Feb, 2017 6:53 pm

good tips guys - appreciate it, no to get the time to do it all !

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Post by gbader » Mon 17 Apr, 2017 6:25 pm

Hi all

Well springs are in (from 108 to 109) and even with the largest pads she is still sitting low (well, low for a bash car), have looked at mods for the rear (lower diff or even swap the lot out) but that's a ton of work. Been nearly 12mths of really slow progress - mainly hampered by time/ability and both of us have other car projects on the go as well

So, going to look at selling both - nothing destructive has been done on the 109, all the air gear still there (just not in the car, needs refurb anyway)

W109 300SEL - complete, registered in WA, runner, body "ok", interior will need work (seats are buggered, have frames though)
W108 250S - mostly there, Engine/GB unknown condition, interior good, body rust on lower panels (parts car)

Will look to sell on local forums but thought I would mention it here as well - $3500 the lot

cheers

greg

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Post by Mook1 » Sun 07 May, 2017 10:06 pm

Hi Greg, wouldn't happen to have the air suspension air valves and piping still left over?
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Post by gbader » Mon 15 May, 2017 3:01 pm

Mook1 wrote:Hi Greg, wouldn't happen to have the air suspension air valves and piping still left over?
I have all the bits for the air suspension - but want to hold onto them in case a buyer wants to go back to original (well let you know if anything changes)

cheers

greg

PS - 3k for the lot now ;)

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Post by gbader » Sat 27 May, 2017 7:13 pm

Update

Cars sold - good result, new owner planning to restore to full glory

Cheers

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