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Post by carl888 » Tue 24 Sep, 2013 3:15 pm

Wondering if anyone knew this 6.3 for sale?

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/deta ... =1&sdmvc=1

Cars with continuous history and with a nice interior appeal. Of course, the main worry (For me) would be bodywork issues. Thanks for any information.

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Post by bahnstormer109 » Tue 24 Sep, 2013 9:26 pm

I know this car, I've driven it a couple of times.

Its very original and unique.

I can't afford it :(
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Post by cuisses » Tue 24 Sep, 2013 9:45 pm

bahnstormer109 wrote:
I can't afford it :(
Don't worry, you will be able to to when the price drops to something reasonable ...

Maybe it's the photo, but there seems to be a big dent in the grille - and the number plate needs a bit of panel-beating :laughing6:
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Post by bahnstormer109 » Tue 24 Sep, 2013 9:48 pm

That's what they cost these days champ.
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Post by cuisses » Tue 24 Sep, 2013 10:18 pm

bahnstormer109 wrote:That's what they cost these days champ.

Perhaps they do, this one does have lowish K's. If you are prepared to accept more K's then there is another in WA, asking a bargain-basement 30K.
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/deta ... 43&sdmvc=1

In any case, 4.5L with ordinary spring suspension is enough for me already.
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Post by bahnstormer109 » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 9:11 am

Yes you're right that is a tidy car that is cheaper but it's silver over black which is a common and boring combo. It's also got plain wood, a non original radio, speakers added to the foot wells that look like they're from a w123, and a factory aircon unit but levers on the left and right dash vents which factory aircon didn't have. Who knows what else can be found wrong with it in person. This car like most others has been mucked about with. The 45k car is totally original and has tons of presence in person in anthracite over red with ebony Macassar wood. There are very few examples left with this kind if originality and that is worth everything. When it turned up to our concours last year it actually drew a crowd.
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Post by AMG » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 9:52 am

The only people who go bonkers over colour combinations are the purists who must have a car in matching numbers for concours.

a 6.3 should never be treated in this way. they should be driven regularly. They NEED to be. Even Ron will agree with me on this :whistle:

Sure, it's a nice colour. But guess what. You can buy a 109 6.3 a lot cheaper, spend the balance fixing all the things wrong with it and still have it in the colour of your choice AND it will be in better condition than the 45K you just dumped on the kangaroo point car.

45K? no way. not yet. Sure, values are increasing for the 109. but despite the pretty colours and the numbers displayed on the speedo, it looks to have had a much much harder life, and I personally would doubt some of it's alleged authenticity.

If the car was rust free, had shiny chrome, and top notch leather, working air suspension with no leaks and an MFIS without any issues, THEN it'd be worth the 45K. All you would need to do to the car then is replace the carpet and fix the paint. Then Ron would smile. Of course, He'd smile even more if the car was completely fkd and you took it to him to fix :laughing6: $$$$$$$ :love10: :love10: :love10:

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Post by bahnstormer109 » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 11:41 am

Yes Joe's points are correct and they reinforce what I already said. If you are happy with an ordinary example then you can save money and get one that's average and bodged and then you can waste the money you save in the price difference by colour changing it and bodging it even more to make it worth even less and happily drive it around as much as you like. Doing that however doesn't make this one worth any less.

Originality is not at the top of everyone's list but it will always be worth more and more desirable. Anything can be fixed/repaired/replaced except originality.

I know of a 6.9 that actually sold for $50k because it was unique. Some cars simply transcend market forces.

If I was in the market for a 6.3 this is the one I would get. I walked out of a club meeting last year and saw this car parked outside and was so taken by how beautiful and original it was I sat on a wall next to it and waited for the owner to turn up just so I could take a look inside. Most Benzes I see I wouldn't even take if they were free.
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Post by abl567 » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 12:45 pm

Anyone who saw this car when it was bought at Auction would tell a totally different story :error:
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Post by bahnstormer109 » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 3:17 pm

It's been fully recommissioned since then with the price of a cheaper 6.3 spent on it already and it's driven often. It was even trucked down to Melbourne to get the best specialist work and driven back to Brisbane.

Bogans will always try to cut down what is out of their reach.
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Post by abl567 » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 4:35 pm

So they "recommissioned" the torn seats, the hole in the bonnet from a too tall battery shorting, the rotting leaking fuel lines, the bent chassis leg, the delaminated wood, the cracked dash pad, the broken sunroof drive...I could go on, the succesfull bidder asked me how much to get it running for him

i agree it is now a nice car, but it can't really be called original

The ill informed will always resort to name calling and insults

I looked at the car, and bid on it, for a parts car for my 6.3

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Post by V8Finny » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 10:22 pm

Ozbenz - where we all get together to raise the standing of classic Benzes........by putting down every car that ever comes up for sale.
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Truth is important, it is still a nice car but truth is important

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Post by bahnstormer109 » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 11:35 pm

Yes like I said a small fortune has gone into making it a lovely car without reducing its originality. When you saw it it had just come out of storage from the original owner who bought it new. It still has a rego sticker on it from 1992. It's got a stack of log books and invoices. The current owner took it back to show the original owners now it was back on the road. I've met the original owner of my w109 also. I like that sort of thing.

If you don't like it/ can't afford it then dont buy it. No one will miss you. Seriously.
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Post by bahnstormer109 » Wed 25 Sep, 2013 11:47 pm

Obviously the fuel lines are good since it was driven here from Melbourne, the sunroof works its open in the photos and I've seen it working myself and I haven't seen any cracks in the dash. I haven't inspected the chassis and I didn't say its brand new I said its original.

It's not for people who don't like to be noticed that's for sure. It gets a lot of attention out in the road. When I drove it down the highway I was even a little jealous of myself :happy3:
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Post by carl888 » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 12:09 am

I'm sorry I asked :laughing6:

So we have a car that's original and unmolestered to a car that's been re-built from the tachometer needle!

I understand that the car has been restored, is that correct? That's fine, as long as it was done properly. Eg; If there were corrosion or bodywork issues that required new metal welded in, and treated accordingly that's acceptable. As apposed to sills full of filler. Chassis damage is another issue that luckily now is easy to spot, and it seems that car was sold that way to the current owner?

The reality is that no 6.3 is worth restoring that has serious body issues, even if you get it for free, so I can only assume that it was done as a labour of love, on the cheap, or it was not that bad to begin with.

I think it's probably unrealistic to expect a car over 40 years old that's covered that mileage (I assume the reading is miles not kilometres) without some sort of serious work. Bodywork especially. Cars just weren't that well protected back then.

We all dream of finding a one owner documented 45 year old classic showing 17,000 miles. Preferably stored in a temperature controlled garage, never driven in the rain, the seats treated regularly with hide food applied by the tender hands of young virgins and the boot containing a folder of every maintenance invoice from the original sales date and a stack of 8 track cassettes in the glove box signed by Leonard Cohen and Matt Munro. Preferably sold to us at 1/4 market value because we all deserve that right? The reality is those cars just aren't for sale. That doesn't mean you have to buy a basket case though.

At the asking price, I would expect that the car would have no issues, with maybe some minor cosmetic challenges (The grille springs to mind) and all the maintenance up to date with no mechanical or structural issues. Am I dreaming with that expectation about this car?

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Post by cuisses » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 1:35 am

"We all dream of .... 8 track cassettes of Matt Munro "

I think not. :laughing6:

I also disagree with your suggestion that a car of this vintage must have had some serious body issues. There are plenty of W108's out there with no rust (mine for example, which cannot be all that special), and for 6.3 W109's, which were much more expensive, this is even more true. Of course, there are also plenty of rustbuckets that have spent the last 40 years parked next to a rockpool infested with blue-ringed octopi. The Tasmanians have cornered the market for these.

We have at least two people here who have seen it in various stages of restoration, with a certain amount of disagreement as to its merits, so the obvious solution is for you to hop on a plane and fly north. You will never get a decent 6.3 without doing a bit of first-hand research. Surely the cost of an air ticket would be compensated by the pleasure of driving such a vehicle?
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Post by bahnstormer109 » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 8:58 am

Hi Carl, no the car has not been restored I said it was recommissioned. The body and interior has not been changed it was mechanically recommissioned after coming out of long term storage. If you are in the market for a 6.3 and this is the sort of one you like then give the owner a call and talk direct perhaps ask for extra photos or a mechanics report.

I love the car and I would love to have it in my fleet if I could.
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Post by GNGSTA » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 1:08 pm

V8Finny wrote:Ozbenz - where we all get together to raise the standing of classic Benzes........by putting down every car that ever comes up for sale.
That quote is right on the money, Mark.

I don't post that much on here but I do read a lot of the posts and the common thread in posts, like this one, is " its too good to be what it is so it must've been built from 5 different cars" So what?

Some of you out there think they are doing a public service by calling out any faults or cutting the fine line between rebuilding or reinstating a car back on the road, but the fact remains we are supposedly intelligent people with five senses working for us, we can make our own decisions about whether we like a car or not. We don't need keyboard warriors telling us that the car is crap be cause either they or their cousins mother on their fathers side mechanics barber, saw it on it's roof, on fire while people where dancing around it chanting, die, die, die.

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Post by AMG » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 4:37 pm

GNGSTA wrote:
V8Finny wrote:Ozbenz - where we all get together to raise the standing of classic Benzes........by putting down every car that ever comes up for sale.
That quote is right on the money, Mark.

I don't post that much on here but I do read a lot of the posts and the common thread in posts, like this one, is " its too good to be what it is so it must've been built from 5 different cars" So what?

Some of you out there think they are doing a public service by calling out any faults or cutting the fine line between rebuilding or reinstating a car back on the road, but the fact remains we are supposedly intelligent people with five senses working for us, we can make our own decisions about whether we like a car or not. We don't need keyboard warriors telling us that the car is crap be cause either they or their cousins mother on their fathers side mechanics barber, saw it on it's roof, on fire while people where dancing around it chanting, die, die, die.

A car is only worth what you are prepared to pay for it, sure you can find one cheaper, but you will pay for it when you want to bring it up to the standard of the car we are talking about.

Mark, I'm very much inclined to disagree with your statement. Plenty of evidence to the contrary in many for sale posts from years past.

As for keyboard warriors, The majority of ozbenz members are hands-on mechanically minded folk and know a thing or three about their cars.

No-one has to agree with everything said by someone else, but I would suggest - that we keep it on topic and stop flaming each other, just because you don't like what someone else has said. Thanks.
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Post by V8Finny » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 9:17 pm

I apologise for not being clear.

The OP's previous posts show him to be an extremely capable chap, enjoying the high value V8s available in Benzes. He is only asking if anyone can point him at a car in the better end of the 6.3 range that represents fair value, or if this car might be that.....I don't think that question has been answered here.

I don't disagree with anyone's stated view, owning a pair of the less than 700 RHD 6.3s that ever existed in the world, I have stated no firm opinion either way.

I certainly wouldn't disagree with a poster who is the Australian President of the M100 club, that has LOVED these cars for decades, and probably knows the VIN number of EVERY 6.3 in Australia......BUT.....

If you post about a car that I know was flooded up over it's dashboard in a flooded Melbourne car storage centre, I might PM a warning...rather than add to the tide of "old Benzes are all crap - don't buy one unless you have a lot of money and are a fully Stuttgart factory certified Benz mechanic"

Then posting "Why won't anyone buy my XXXXX project car for 4 grand?" threads in the Market Place.

Question.....Can someone please point me to a post where Ozbenzers judged "thats a nice car at a fair price"?????

Whenever a newbie thinks about getting into their first classic Benz, they google 'classic Benz', it takes them straight to Ozbenz, where the consensus is..."you can't afford it and you're not smart enough to fix it yourself"....I have found the exact opposite to be true, and have gone to some effort to encourage newcomers, or even send free parts around the country rather than sell to Ozbenzers who wanted $100 less than the advertised price.

:dontknow: It's YOUR classic Benz marketplace Ozbenzers.....are you part of the solution, or are you part of the problem? :dontknow:
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Post by cuisses » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 9:37 pm

Question.....Can someone please point me to a post where Ozbenzers judged "thats a nice car at a fair price"?????
This one comes obviously to mind:

http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t ... 2#p124892

Beautiful looking car, asking 7.5 K. Purchased by Aegean.

or this one:

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=17820&p=125105&hil ... or#p125105

Again, sub 10K and looking good.
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Post by bahnstormer109 » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 9:56 pm

Wasn't aegeans car the one that got flooded then he sold it on severely misrepresented to someone I know in qld? If I was that buyer I would have taken legal action. The goodwill in these communities is often taken advantage of.

Just so people are clear v8finny is not talking about the 6.3 that is the subject of this thread. It's getting off topic. Maybe we should start a thread along the lines of "I post on ozbenz at night after I've been drinking heavily" :whistle:
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Post by V8Finny » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 10:14 pm

cuisses wrote:
Question.....Can someone please point me to a post where Ozbenzers judged "thats a nice car at a fair price"?????
This one comes obviously to mind:

http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t ... 2#p124892

Beautiful looking car, asking 7.5 K. Purchased by Aegean.

or this one:

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=17820&p=125105&hil ... or#p125105

Again, sub 10K and looking good.

THIRTY pages in the ebay thread in the last twelve months.

find me a positive mention on a 108/109... :whistle:
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Post by bahnstormer109 » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 10:22 pm

Start the thread man lets do it. "Cars that are nice for a decent price I'd like to buy but can't so maybe here's a chance for someone else here"
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Post by ANF » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 10:37 pm

V8Finny wrote:

THIRTY pages in the ebay thread in the last twelve months.

find me a positive mention on a 108/109... :whistle:
Try the Consolidated W108/ 109 thread........

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Post by cuisses » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 10:50 pm

find me a positive mention on a 108/109...
Now, there is a challenge, as Ron can apparently get them for free (at least the W108).

ANF's latest acquisition was treated positively ( a manual is always desirable):

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17865


but perhaps that is cheating, as he already bought it before anyone commented, and it is rather unlikely that anyone would say "Why did you buy that?"

If you look in the consolidated W108 thread (ANF beat me to it):

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=15818

you will find a mixed bag, much like the cars themselves. Some rubbished for having grass growing through them, and some praised for being apparently nice examples (from the photos), with nice colours and sunroofs, manual trans etc. Also, a lot of justified criticism for people claiming in adds that a W108 is worth 33, 50 or even 80K. That is why we have a "Tell him he's dreaming" thread.

Inevitably a lot of the W108's on eBay have more than a bit of corrosion and don't attract much in the way of praise, but there are always a few good ones.

This is a forum, and by definition, it allows people to express differing opinions, hopefully without getting too personal.
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Post by carl888 » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:03 pm

cuisses wrote:"We all dream of .... 8 track cassettes of Matt Munro "

I think not. :laughing6:

I also disagree with your suggestion that a car of this vintage must have had some serious body issues. There are plenty of W108's out there with no rust (mine for example, which cannot be all that special), and for 6.3 W109's, which were much more expensive, this is even more true. Of course, there are also plenty of rustbuckets that have spent the last 40 years parked next to a rockpool infested with blue-ringed octopi. The Tasmanians have cornered the market for these.

We have at least two people here who have seen it in various stages of restoration, with a certain amount of disagreement as to its merits, so the obvious solution is for you to hop on a plane and fly north. You will never get a decent 6.3 without doing a bit of first-hand research. Surely the cost of an air ticket would be compensated by the pleasure of driving such a vehicle?
I have taken the car a step further as of this evening, more about that later.

Perhaps you are just lucky, but I've never seen a 1960s engineered car that doesn't have some corrosion issues if its been driven that mileage without any remedial or preventative work. Possibly W109s are the first not to suffer!

The owner is aware of the comments on this forum about his car and was very surprised at some of the mis-information being propagated.

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Post by V8Finny » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:06 pm

ANF wrote:Try the Consolidated W108/ 109 thread........
94 posts......seven mentions of cars that could possibly be construed as worth buying. (No, really......count 'em! :dontknow: )

Great 1st impression for newbies to the hobby.
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Post by carl888 » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:14 pm

I think it's important to understand that what you like in a car doesn't necessarily equate with what others may appreciate. If you had the choice between a car in its original colour, as opposed to a colour changed car, I would take the original colour every time. But that's just me. Of course the car should be driven regularly, but the colour doesn't determine how or when it's driven. From what I have been able to gather, no one here has inspected the car thoroughly yet.



JoeB wrote:The only people who go bonkers over colour combinations are the purists who must have a car in matching numbers for concours.

a 6.3 should never be treated in this way. they should be driven regularly. They NEED to be. Even Ron will agree with me on this :whistle:

Sure, it's a nice colour. But guess what. You can buy a 109 6.3 a lot cheaper, spend the balance fixing all the things wrong with it and still have it in the colour of your choice AND it will be in better condition than the 45K you just dumped on the kangaroo point car.

45K? no way. not yet. Sure, values are increasing for the 109. but despite the pretty colours and the numbers displayed on the speedo, it looks to have had a much much harder life, and I personally would doubt some of it's alleged authenticity.

If the car was rust free, had shiny chrome, and top notch leather, working air suspension with no leaks and an MFIS without any issues, THEN it'd be worth the 45K. All you would need to do to the car then is replace the carpet and fix the paint. Then Ron would smile. Of course, He'd smile even more if the car was completely fkd and you took it to him to fix :laughing6: $$$$$$$ :love10: :love10: :love10:

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Hope the weathers nice and warm up there Ron. I could do with some hometown sunshine.

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Post by ANF » Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:49 pm

V8Finny wrote:
ANF wrote:Try the Consolidated W108/ 109 thread........
94 posts......seven mentions of cars that could possibly be construed as worth buying. (No, really......count 'em! :dontknow: )

Great 1st impression for newbies to the hobby.
I did and came up with 21! All depends upon your perspective.......
I love 108s (and 210s) and want many more of them, if I see a nice one I will say so, but will also mention if an add is clearly over stating things.
I have made many positive comments in the Consolidated W108/ 109 thread, and I will continue to do so.
I am still a relative newbie to classic MB's and since joining this forum I have bought 3 x w108s :glasses2:
cuisses wrote: you will find a mixed bag, much like the cars themselves. Some rubbished for having grass growing through them, and some praised for being apparently nice examples (from the photos), with nice colours and sunroofs, manual trans etc. Also, a lot of justified criticism for people claiming in adds that a W108 is worth 33, 50 or even 80K. That is why we have a "Tell him he's dreaming" thread.

Inevitably a lot of the W108's on eBay have more than a bit of corrosion and don't attract much in the way of praise, but there are always a few good ones.

This is a forum, and by definition, it allows people to express differing opinions, hopefully without getting too personal.
Well said David :thumbup:

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Post by V8Finny » Fri 27 Sep, 2013 12:02 am

So..... if 22% of posts (21/94) are positive, that leaves 78% negative, and you are trying to make the arguement that this raises appreciation of our favourite mark? :dontknow:
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Post by AMG » Fri 27 Sep, 2013 12:04 am

Stick to the topic guys.

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Post by carl888 » Sat 28 Sep, 2013 12:17 am

abl567 wrote:Anyone who saw this car when it was bought at Auction would tell a totally different story :error:
Well, here it is!

http://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/lot ... 2VERQ950E/

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Post by cuisses » Sat 28 Sep, 2013 12:25 am

Looks like someone got a nice bargain there - a 6.3 for less than 9K. Of course, at an auction you probably can't drive the car, so you don't see hidden issues, but even if the fuel-injection system and the suspension were stuffed, 9K still seems cheap.
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Post by dollars » Sat 28 Sep, 2013 1:53 pm

this is the beauty of this forum

someone can always offer sound advice on almost all topics

thanks

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Post by Mercmad » Sun 29 Sep, 2013 8:20 pm

bahnstormer109 wrote:It's been fully recommissioned since then with the price of a cheaper 6.3 spent on it already and it's driven often. It was even trucked down to Melbourne to get the best specialist work and driven back to Brisbane.

Bogans will always try to cut down what is out of their reach.
it was trucked to Melbourne because none of us here in Brisbane would touch the car. Nothing at all to do with the car .....The colour is very rare on a 6.3 and the upholstery is Burgundy not red ,another very rare combination and stunning when seen up close .. The car has a great history and had sat in a shed for years after the first owner fell ill,It even came with pics of the first owner and his kids at the factory in Stuttgart. I was asked, some years ago, to check the injection but then I found anyone and everyone in the mercedes mechanical world had been asked to work on it . So I refused to touch it.I wont go into the reasons why no one will touch this car except that our personal qualifications and abilities are not open to criticism from those who would slander us .

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Post by Mercmad » Sun 29 Sep, 2013 8:49 pm

JoeB wrote:The only people who go bonkers over colour combinations are the purists who must have a car in matching numbers for concours.

a 6.3 should never be treated in this way. they should be driven regularly. They NEED to be. Even Ron will agree with me on this :whistle:

Sure, it's a nice colour. But guess what. You can buy a 109 6.3 a lot cheaper, spend the balance fixing all the things wrong with it and still have it in the colour of your choice AND it will be in better condition than the 45K you just dumped on the kangaroo point car.

45K? no way. not yet. Sure, values are increasing for the 109. but despite the pretty colours and the numbers displayed on the speedo, it looks to have had a much much harder life, and I personally would doubt some of it's alleged authenticity.

If the car was rust free, had shiny chrome, and top notch leather, working air suspension with no leaks and an MFIS without any issues, THEN it'd be worth the 45K. All you would need to do to the car then is replace the carpet and fix the paint. Then Ron would smile. Of course, He'd smile even more if the car was completely fkd and you took it to him to fix :laughing6: $$$$$$$ :love10: :love10: :love10:

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Hope the weathers nice and warm up there Ron. I could do with some hometown sunshine.

Mine started life with me in that condition,very tired and rusted out and now I jump in and drive it everywhere. It's been from Townsville to Adelaide and back and at 320,000 miles still runs great.( the engine has never been out of mine,never even had the heads off)http://youtu.be/r6xjUSt-C_c
Yes you do need to drive them and drive them a lot. But they are seriously maintenance intensive. You do not buy a 6.3 and drive it like a W124 expecting the suspension etc to remain in good condition. if you choose to drive it once every couople of months,the injection will bite back. Unlike the six cylinder systems,the 8 plunger pump is buried in the center of the engine and really suffers from the heat. A pump rebuild every 50,000 miles is not unheard of and now we can get them done by two different companies in Queensland . No need to send them to the USA or Victoria and get robbed in the process. Aston Martins DBS V8 used exactly the same pump but because air flow was better around the pump,they dont wear as quickly as they do on the M100 engine. Air suspension will not give problems if you obsere a few basic things,the drier bottle should alqways be full and the resrvoir drain checked every week. Leaks are not allowed .A good system will let the car rise up when the height control is operated and the engine is not running. A W109 or W112 should never drop .if it does,theres a leak. And just like a tire,you dont tolerate leakage.

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Post by bahnstormer109 » Sun 29 Sep, 2013 10:05 pm

Ron, I think you mean that no one in Brisbane was qualified enough to rebuild one of these injection pumps, that's why it was sent to Melbourne, and is now perfect. And by "not qualified enough" I mean the owner made his own choice about who would be best for the job and spared no expense.

The fact that the car was sent 2000km away just to have a part properly attended to says everything that needs to be said about both the car and the quality of specialists available in Brisbane.
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Post by eri67 » Sun 29 Sep, 2013 11:21 pm

FFS The OP asked about a car, and now where on about people's qualifications and whatever, keep this kind of 'advice' to pm, the car is obviously a nice example of a 40 odd year old car, it's a car not football team, I got out of the mustang I owned partially because of the meatheads and bigoted morons I had to listen too online ( I know I'm not listening, before another person flames me) I returned to mercedes because I thought the w@nkers may stay in ford and Holden land, but how wrong, this petty crap is driving away members of this forum!
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Post by carl888 » Sun 29 Sep, 2013 11:48 pm

The replies have been hilarious. Keep them coming. Some of them, actually most, are highly narcissistic :laughing6:

To clarify, I just asked about a car!

Good or bad, you can PM me if you are not comfortable mentioning here (Some have). The car is a long way from me so I appreciate the help with the initial research. Thank you.

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Post by mikerich » Mon 30 Sep, 2013 10:53 pm

MB Spares had a green & velour interior 6.3 1971 model early last year for sale at $44,900. I noticed it didn't last long so it must have sold close to the asking price. And it wasn't as nice as this grey & maroon leather
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 01 Oct, 2013 8:30 am

bahnstormer109 wrote:Ron, I think you mean that no one in Brisbane was qualified enough to rebuild one of these injection pumps, that's why it was sent to Melbourne, and is now perfect. And by "not qualified enough" I mean the owner made his own choice about who would be best for the job and spared no expense.

The fact that the car was sent 2000km away just to have a part properly attended to says everything that needs to be said about both the car and the quality of specialists available in Brisbane.
Absolute rubbish.
I served my time on Bosch injection, two other seperate Bosch service places in Brisbane do them and have the tooling and expertise to do them and do a lot including recently Lyndsay Snells exquisite example which had a cracked pump housing that no one in melbourne at the alleged experts had seen. For example,3 point Classic in Mt Gravatt do MFi systems all the time. Air suspensions on W109 and W100 have been done by them on a vast majority of those cars here in Queensland.
Speaking from experience , A well known Mercedes Mechanic and a very respected one ordered the car removed from his shop because of the matter I alluded to before.A week or two afterwards, I showed the owner several things wrong with his car and after hearing from him,the owner, what he had to say about other Qualified and experienced tradesmen , I refused to touch it . I wasn't about to have my name bandied about in the same manner and knowone else in Brisbane is either as it turns out as this matter goes back many many years.

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Post by Mercmad » Tue 01 Oct, 2013 8:38 am

carl888 wrote:The replies have been hilarious. Keep them coming. Some of them, actually most, are highly narcissistic :laughing6:

To clarify, I just asked about a car!

Good or bad, you can PM me if you are not comfortable mentioning here (Some have). The car is a long way from me so I appreciate the help with the initial research. Thank you.
I would knock 20 grand off the price . It would then be a realistic buy. The car has done a huge mileage. The first owner,before he fell ill, drove it daily from Dural to Martin Place in Sydney as his commuter car. Right into the late 70's ,so you can imagine the mileage . One of the things I pointed out as being wrong was the broken suspension mount bush bolt,which was floating around . Mount bushes are $400+ for a kit and the owner wasn't prepared to spend that on repairs. I didn't go any further with the car so I cannot say with any authority what so ever if such basic W109 needs were done.

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Post by bahnstormer109 » Tue 01 Oct, 2013 9:19 am

Like I said the owner made his own decision on who should look after the car. He talked to a few mechanics who told him totally different scenarios and prices for the exact same jobs to be done and he also took a look around their work areas and made up his own mind where to shell out his cash. I've had similar poor experiences from the same places as the owner so I know first hand what he is talking about and I know who is right and its the owner.

I recently went around to a few different Benz specialists to ask about some issues with my cars and compared how they acted / quoted as I was looking to change workshops after 12 years. Happily I've now found a new place that is excellent and my 3.5 is running so amazingly well after 2 quick trips to the new place. The old place serviced my 3.5 for 10 years and never got it really right. Now my 280 is at the new place and next month the 560 will be going in too. I must've spent $40,000 on my cars at the old place over the years but they were never 100%. At the end of the day it's my responsibility and I should've moved much sooner but that's life.

I've found over the years that the businesses that make the biggest claims and defend their reputation too much are the ones that are the most crooked. A business is never going to say "no I'm not going to take your money" and their reputation will not be in danger unless they stuff something up.

As for taking $20k off the price of this 6.3, that's fine but if you did that it would make every other 6.3 I've seen then worth about $5000 in comparison. At the end of the day it's only a matter of finding a better nicer one for less money and that's just not happening.
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Post by bahnstormer109 » Tue 01 Oct, 2013 4:02 pm

[/quote]The car has done a huge mileage. The first owner,before he fell ill, drove it daily from Dural to Martin Place in Sydney as his commuter car. Right into the late 70's ,so you can imagine the mileage .[/quote]

I just had a look on google maps and apparently Dural is 35km from Martin Place. That's a 70km round trip each day, 5 days a week is 350 km per week, is 18,200km a year. If he continued this into the late 70s that is 9 years which is 163,800km. What if the late 70s means until 1978? that would make the mileage 145,600. Sounds like just the right amount of driving to keep it all working according to your previous posts. What happened in the 80's ? The bloke retired and didn't drive so much? You say he fell ill. In the early 90s it was stored. Pretty typical story and basic recipe for a classic car survivor really. Driven daily when new, usage drops off as the car and owner ages maybe the car is kept aside and a new one bought then stored away for sentimental reasons to be brought out years later by a new owner and recommissioned as a classic and appreciated.

The mileage stated on the ad is 152,250km so basically Ron has verified this as being correct.
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Post by abl567 » Tue 01 Oct, 2013 6:13 pm

Or, as is typical for someone with the means to buy the car when new, the owner also has a hobby farm in the country near Orange, IIRC, where the car was shipped from prior to the auction, and likely are beach house in Terrigal which he visits on alternate fortnights, so an extra say 1000k's per month, 12000k's per year, close enough to 100,000k's over your 9 years. He the retires to the hobby farm but the grandkids live in Sydney, so again fortnightly trips to and from for another 100000k's over the next 10 years. Where are we now, 352,000k's without ever making a trip to the golf club or the accountants. And an amount of k's consistent with worn away drivers seat bolster and carpets, along with the other wear observed. Check the brake and clutch pedal rubbers, I'll bet they are still worn as they were when I saw it or brand new.
Look, as i said it is a nice car, I never questioned it's value in it's present state, just the way it is being represented. If I decide to buy it do I write 2 cheques, 1 for the car and one for commission :laughing6:

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Post by bahnstormer109 » Tue 01 Oct, 2013 6:27 pm

Perhaps or perhaps this is all here say insinuations and postulations from 2 main cynics on here.

These 2 detractors are
1 someone who tried to buy the car at auction and missed out on it

And

2 someone who could have worked on it and made a lot of money from it but was passed over in favour of a different workshop.

So boys, how do you like your grapes? Sweet or sour?
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Post by abl567 » Tue 01 Oct, 2013 6:48 pm

"So boys, how do you like your grapes? Sweet or sour?"

Fermented and consumed in quantity prior to posting on OzBenz :joker:

Ever heard of the term devils advocate?

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:occasion5:
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