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New member looking for a Benz

Post by Raijin » Wed 24 May, 2017 1:18 pm

Hi all
I am looking for a Benz for my daughter who is turning 14 in August. She has autism spectrum disorder and it's a MB or nothing lol. I have never owned a Benz before so any advice would be great. We would like to attend events like Cooly rocks that's on here where we live in tweed heads.
We want a project car that we can work on over the next two years so it's ready for her when she is 16.
She likes the W114 to 123 Coupe. We want an appreciating classic am I on the right track here?
If so what should I be avoiding? There is one for sale atm on carsales in Melbourne but he is looking for 3k and the front end damage makes me a little hesitant.

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Post by pastelgrey300D » Wed 24 May, 2017 5:59 pm

Hi Raijin, welcome to ozbenz!
She likes the W114 to 123 Coupe. We want an appreciating classic am I on the right track here?
Yes - although I would say that the 114 coupes are already on the way up and for the same money you would be able to find a W123 in better condition and with less rust. Mechanically, they are basically identical, with the exception of the 114 coupes with the 280E engine that were Bosch D-jet fuel injection - parts for these early fuel injection systems are getting very hard to find now.

As a first car, the W123 would be hard to beat. They have a huge following and parts will be very easy to find. For a young first time driver they are probably a bit more user friendly and safer than a 114 as well and being a bit more modern will have more features - for examples not all 114s had a/c whereas it was standard on the W123s.

Good luck with the search!
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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by Raijin » Wed 24 May, 2017 6:59 pm

Thanks heaps for the advice

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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by CraigB » Wed 24 May, 2017 10:38 pm

I will second that - W123 generally offers better value at the moment and 123 is a great model that surely will appreciate. You might get lucky with a 114 but have a very good look for rust, esp firewall and floors. That's not to say you don't have to have a good look for 123 rust - i don't own one but I have seen rust in firewall and under battery that in that car then led to floor rust.
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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by AMG » Thu 25 May, 2017 3:51 pm

W123 - so long as it has no rust. :Doh:

performance not spectacular, fuel consumption not exactly frugal, but just a really NICE car. As is the 114.

Except:
I wouldn't recommend a coupe - and the reasoning is simply financial. As much as I love them, and own a c124, I personally wouldn't buy one that needed any cosmetic work, because the cost of the cosmetic parts - indicator lenses tailight lenses garnish mouldings bumper rubbers and other brightwork etc, interior knobs, buttons and switches, wood trim etc... just make them a money pit. Factor that into a windscreen seal or window rubber here and there, and then maybe you find some rust, and all of a sudden it can get pricey.

And there's nothing worse than having to throw good money after bad at little things that seemingly cost stupid money.

Rust is thy enemy. There will be rust, but it's more a case of where it hasn't got it that matters more. so long as it's not in the sills, or the wiper cowl, or around the base of the windscreens, or battery tray area etc... then maybe... but rust is the big killer. So are trim clips and other associated paraphenalia.

Don't get me wrong I still like the 123 coupe, but it's a personal preference. both the 114 and 123 are nice looking vehicles in sedan or coupe, but the 123 wagon is the one I would prefer to live with.
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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by Raijin » Fri 26 May, 2017 8:53 am

I have been thinking on what every one has said I guess when you get any Classic car parts are going to be an issue just some worse than others. It's hard to find the balance of something not to old and something not to new.
I was looking at the W126 like a 1983 380SEC There is one in WA atm but has that rust issue around the rear windscreen. That would be a nightmare to fix. Other ppl have said the 126 are great but another word come up Vacuum every thing is run by vacuum great when it works pain when it does not.

Not sure how I am going to win lol

Just on looks alone from 70's to mid 80's I think the 83 SEC is my Favourite and few week ago saw a Wheeler dealers EP. where the did a AMG tribute car with one not that I would want to do that but it was cool.

Do I go with the heart and say damn the expense and the Vacuum. :wall:

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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 26 May, 2017 3:01 pm

Don't be put off by the vacuum operation.

It's far simpler and more reliable than electrically operated.
The failure components are the hoses, the joiners, and the diaphragms in the end users.


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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by CraigB » Fri 26 May, 2017 3:36 pm

Also w126 is more forgiving than earlier vacuum eg. 116. It has an electric vacuum pump in the boot, that when you turn the key it operates. Earlier ones had a vac tank and worked off engine vacuum, so if you locked it and left overnight, it could leak down on minor leaks.

But yeah, if that's your one concern on your favourite looking car, then I'd say it is the least of your worries. Back window rust and rear sill area is the most common, can be boot sides problems and door bottoms. Rear window is a bit of work, but not as hard as a lot of rust. You can buy the part and I used a friendly crash repairer who let me weld the short side bits and he just used his spotwelder - was very cheap.
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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by Raijin » Mon 29 May, 2017 10:55 am

Yep Deff think I am leading towards a W123 or W126 probably the W126 more so. Just have to find the right one that's at least on the eastern side of the country.

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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by AMG » Mon 29 May, 2017 12:17 pm

Wow,

You're going from pillar to post on this one.

No doubt, the w126 is a nice car. I used to have one. But no way in the world would I compare that to a w114/5 /w123 coupe.

w126 coupes - meh the only one that I ever really liked was Craig's Dunkelblau AMG. While not a widebody it had some desirable attributes and significant cosmetic differences.

and factoring in costs, hahaa the 123 will be far cheaper to repair than a w126 coupe... just wait for things like bumpers, door handles, - you're now in S-class price range, not E class.

The golden rules for any Mercedes benz purchase are as follows:

1. buy the absolute best example you can afford - better to spend that money upfront than double the spend in repairing to get to the same standard. If you want evidence of such, just read through the forum posts ;)
2. a pre-purchase inspection by a reputable independent MB specialist is absolutely mandatory, to avoid any hidden costs.

Doesn't matter if it's 114, 123, 126, or any new Mercedes - the caveat is the same for all.

I would also recommend that you spend more time researching and gathering information, and having a look at as many examples as you can, before making any split-second decision on one. Also, buy with logic, not emotion. Any emotion in the purchase decision is going to be your downfall later, when the costs of hidden problems come to bite you in the arse.

A lot of members here can attest to this... Most of us have learned from the experience.

Good luck,

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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by CraigB » Mon 29 May, 2017 12:25 pm

The only comment about the parts prices - there are a lot of bits out there cheap - even a lot of bits at my house! I keep seeing what look like reasonable cars super cheap and surely must be a low point for this model. If you like the W126 then i say go for it, but just as Joe says, don't be tempted or pushed into rushing in, connect with your local knowledge and it will pay off in getting a really good car. Lots of parts common with sedans also.
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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by Raijin » Mon 29 May, 2017 1:00 pm

Pillar to post I feel a little that way myself. But I guess that bound to happen when going into new territory that's I don't know a lot about.
When I started I had no idea what the letter or number meant in the range lol.

I am defiantly not jumping for the first one I find that's for sure Just trying to keep my option open.

I am taking my daughter to the Enthusiast day that on here at the GC that the Merc club of QLD are holding hopefully ill be able to see the cars I am thinking about and come to a more concrete decision.

Apart from the fact I would really like a coupe I am still kinda open and when the right car comes up then I will know so that doing what you have said don't let emotion rule if I find a 126 and its the right 126 then I would get that or the 114 or the 123. I guess I have decided on that era 70's to early 80's. each 114 123 and 126 seem to have shortcomings as far as price parts ect.

I mean the decision to buy a classic car be it a Merc or anything else has to come from emption purely other wise no one would ever own one, why buy a 30 or 50 year old car when a Hyundai :puke: will do.

But I understand what your saying don't want to get into something that will be way over my head.

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Post by CraigB » Mon 29 May, 2017 1:14 pm

Your doing the right thing by going to a day and trying to see the cars next to each other in the flesh - and then you still need to drive them to decide.

Just on the parts prices - I have 108,107, had 116, 126 and i can't see any appreciable differences in parts prices - so maybe check that using some online stores like Autohaus.az where you can flick between models. The examples Joe gave of bumpers and door handles may be the case if you went to a dealer, but you can buy this stuff very cheaply secondhand - i know this because i have been trying to sell it. If i had a good chrome W123 bumper to sell you or one of my SEC bumpers, i know which one i would be asking more for and it wouldn't be the SEC! I havent' broken a door handle and I have spares of those too. Joe knows lots more than me about new prices of stuff, but right at the moment I am up to my ears in the secondhand stuff. There are things like ECU's that can be hundreds for used ones but then they are usually pretty robust. People have been asking me for window switches and OVP etc that do go and I don't have - but you are still looking at hundreds to get these things but need to be quick once people start wrecking a car.

But without any further trying to justify my comments, any other W126's been faced with shocking parts prices that would make them not choose one? Just not a comment i have heard before.
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Post by merc-304 » Mon 29 May, 2017 4:54 pm

Theres a 500 SEC on gumtree - Currumbin valley $4000 o.n.o.
Not far for you to go and have look.
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Mon 29 May, 2017 5:00 pm

I think Joe's comments relate to coupe)specific parts which are rarer, and hence more expensive.

Don't forget to factor in that half the W126s you'll see, and all of the 126 coupes, will be V8 and they need special attention to timing chain and guides. The 126s are also much bigger cars which may/may not be a negative for your daughter. Applies to size and fuel consumption.
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Post by AMG » Mon 29 May, 2017 6:28 pm

TheMadRacoon wrote:I think Joe's comments relate to coupe)specific parts which are rarer, and hence more expensive.
That's what I was getting at.

I'd much prefer to have a car with excellent cosmetic condition and a trashed engine or trans or diff, than an average looking car with a good engine.

Problem is when respraying stuff, all the clips etc and trim pieces, $$$$ to replace all of them - what is the point of not doing it when a vehicle needs that kind of attention.

It's getting hard to find really good examples these days, most have been squirreled away, which is detrimental to the car, but it also deprives the public of seeing a beautiful vehicle.

There used to be a guy who drove a dunkelrot 114 coupe into work in North Sydney every day - I'd often see him on the cahill expressway or coming over the bridge - Likewise a nice 123 coupe owner ( was a late 80's smoke silver) who used to park in my building.

Both of them are lovely designs, and it's arguable that the colour also makes the car - There used to be an Elderly gentleman member of the NSW MB club who had a pristine 123 coupe. I think it was English red, It may have been inca red. Can't remember, as the colours are quite similar.
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Point being, that some colours are obviously far less common, so you may not always find what you like, and sometimes making do with a less desirable colour may net you a better car.

126's are not too bad when they have nice wheels on them.
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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by KimB » Mon 29 May, 2017 6:40 pm

I'm committing sacrilege here.

As a W126 Nutter who owns a w126 380sec coupe, I would suggest that your daughter would enjoy the smaller w123 or 114 model more. The W126 coupe is a big car. The smaller coupe would be more manageable for your daughter.

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Post by AMG » Mon 29 May, 2017 6:44 pm

KimB wrote:I'm committing sacrilege here.

As a W126 Nutter who owns a w126 380sec coupe, I would suggest that your daughter would enjoy the smaller w123 or 114 model more. The W126 coupe is a big car. The smaller coupe would be more manageable for your daughter.

Cheers
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Did you just set fire to yourself ???? Are you Okay? Should we send for an ambulance?
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Post by CraigB » Mon 29 May, 2017 7:02 pm

And I agree with all that. You and her need to see them in the. Flesh and compare. But license restrictions may mean can't drive an 8 either. Depending on height driving position and feeling comfy as new drver important and 126 is a big car. But you can get cheap parts if you know where to look!
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Post by KimB » Tue 30 May, 2017 11:40 am

AMG wrote:
KimB wrote:I'm committing sacrilege here.

As a W126 Nutter who owns a w126 380sec coupe, I would suggest that your daughter would enjoy the smaller w123 or 114 model more. The W126 coupe is a big car. The smaller coupe would be more manageable for your daughter.

Cheers
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Did you just set fire to yourself ???? Are you Okay? Should we send for an ambulance?

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That's what I love about this forum. When one goes out on a limb and espouses the complete opposite of one's ideology,
such as I did ........Forum members show their concern for that member's mental state.

Thank you for the offer of an ambulance, no need, as my caring wife is spoon feeding me porridge while I remain tightly wrapped in my straight jacket! :laughing6:

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Post by Raijin » Tue 30 May, 2017 5:21 pm

I love the debate I have started.
Perhaps after taking in everything that you have all said when buying a classic I should be more worried about the car rather than the type.
I am concerned now that if I stick to a coupe I may miss a really nice 4 door. I didn't realise how big the 126's are so perhaps sticking to the standard coupe would be better for a younger driver.

I did see a 69 interior today and I really like the look of that over the later cars so much more classic looking.
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Post by cuisses » Tue 30 May, 2017 5:54 pm

KimB wrote:
AMG wrote:
KimB wrote:I'm committing sacrilege here.

As a W126 Nutter who owns a w126 380sec coupe, I would suggest that your daughter would enjoy the smaller w123 or 114 model more. The W126 coupe is a big car. The smaller coupe would be more manageable for your daughter.

Cheers
Kim

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Kim,

Did you just set fire to yourself ???? Are you Okay? Should we send for an ambulance?

Joe,
That's what I love about this forum. When one goes out on a limb and espouses the complete opposite of one's ideology,
such as I did ........Forum members show their concern for that member's mental state.

Thank you for the offer of an ambulance, no need, as my caring wife is spoon feeding me porridge while I remain tightly wrapped in my straight jacket! :laughing6:

Love and Cheers as always, :love4: :love4:
Kim

You guys just don't see it do you? KimB doesn't want anyone else driving a W126 - he wants to keep all the best cars for himself. I originally wanted to get a W126, but he said "David, the W108 is the car for you. Either that, or a Wolseley 24/80. "
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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by KimB » Tue 30 May, 2017 6:10 pm

Joe,
That's what I love about this forum. When one goes out on a limb and espouses the complete opposite of one's ideology,
such as I did ........Forum members show their concern for that member's mental state.

Thank you for the offer of an ambulance, no need, as my caring wife is spoon feeding me porridge while I remain tightly wrapped in my straight jacket! :laughing6:

Love and Cheers as always, :love4: :love4:
Kim[/quote]


You guys just don't see it do you? KimB doesn't want anyone else driving a W126 - he wants to keep all the best cars for himself. I originally wanted to get a W126, but he said "David, the W108 is the car for you. Either that, or a Wolseley 24/80. "[/quote][/quote]


Ha ha David!

No, quite the opposite. I believe in sharing the love. ........W126 love that is! :occasion5:

Meanwhile back at the ranch, I was going to suggest the daughter consider a 4 door version of the W123.

The W123 gets such a great rap on this forum that it's hard to ignore.

In fact my mechanic's young daughter drives a very nice W123 four door with lovely white duco. But of course, her old man is a Merc specialist.

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Re: New member looking for a Benz

Post by merc-304 » Tue 30 May, 2017 6:23 pm

Raijin wrote:I love the debate I have started.
Perhaps after taking in everything that you have all said when buying a classic I should be more worried about the car rather than the type.
I am concerned now that if I stick to a coupe I may miss a really nice 4 door. I didn't realise how big the 126's are so perhaps sticking to the standard coupe would be better for a younger driver.

I did see a 69 interior today and I really like the look of that over the later cars so much more classic looking.
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That 500 in Currumbin must be gone I have not been able to find it
No Yo Yo.... its still listed on Gumtree - Contact is Hugh 0406 090 599

Easist way to find it : Google - Mercedes SEC 500 for sale Currumbin Valley.

Gumtree can be a right P...k to search on at times.

Some kind member may put the link up for you ?
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Post by markb » Tue 30 May, 2017 8:59 pm

TheMadRacoon wrote:I think Joe's comments relate to coupe)specific parts which are rarer, and hence more expensive.
I thought this too, but have learnt from personal rebuilding that bumper centres, tail lights and a number of parts are interchangeable between the sedan and coupe
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Post by AMG » Tue 30 May, 2017 10:10 pm

Mark, I wasn't referring to the shared parts. It's the low-volume production coupe-specific parts which are cojones crushers.

There are plenty of other model examples and it's not limited to cosmetic parts.

like $100 radiator caps..... :error: wtf.
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Post by CraigB » Wed 31 May, 2017 12:30 am

Going back to Raijin's comment about the debate - this is where this type of thread gets a bit circular. What you need to do is look at some cars and work out what you like. Some good points raised particularly in relation to size and V8's, but there is usually ways around affordability for any of these, particularly in finding good examples to start with and all of these models are at bargain prices relative to newer cars or even flash mountain bikes - next step you have to work out what you like and not what everyone else does.
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Post by Raijin » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 10:28 am

Well I have bought a car Nothing like what I was looking for but felt it was the right project for me. As I said I was keeping my eyes open to all options.
Its a 1969 w114 250 for 1600
come with some many parts I am going to have to ship them separately from the car.
Came with a heap of mechanical parts, all the rubbers for the doors and windows, Another interior and new panels to much stuff to mention.

I thought it was a great starting point and being a 250 the car has carbs instead of the fuel injection carbs being a bit easier to work on for me a home mechanic.

So the search is over just have to get the car to me now wish me luck :bounce:

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Post by CraigB » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 11:10 am

except fuel injection is most often trouble free and carbs usually give trouble! Don't worry though, it is possible to buy a kit to replace them with new weber carbies that get hidden under aircleaner and they are trouble free. They might be fine though and you could be a whiz at dealing with complicated carbs! Good luck.
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Post by AMG » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 11:18 am

I'm with Craig on this one. the Zenith carbs give nothing but leaky trouble even after they have been rebuilt.
the fuel injection is hassle free, just needs to be set up cleanly and adjusted correctly the first time, and then it should literally run forever (almost) if you do regular maintenance schedules.
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Post by Raijin » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 12:56 pm

If replacing the carbs is the worst thing I have to deal with ill take it.

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Post by CraigB » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 1:24 pm

I agree, rest of car good, right size and power for your daughter and you obviously are taken with the looks of it etc. From those that have done the weber conversion I have heard nothing but praise, is a very discreet mod and is 'set and forget' like good fuel injection.
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Post by Raijin » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 1:52 pm

Cool I don't think it matter what car I picked or got every single one of them has some type of short coming. Be it difficult to get parts or carbs or what ever else I have joined the MB club of QLD that give me access to part catalogues and workshop manuals. Just have some sleepless nights until its in my driveway.

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Post by merc-304 » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 1:57 pm

Those Weber kits with all the bits n pieces must be around a 1K now
Have a search theres a good post on this carb swap. Where is your new purchase currently located ?
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Post by CraigB » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 2:03 pm

Yep that's right but people normally report that they can spend at least that amount trying to make the old ones work. Mind you, my old W108 they did work and as a daily driver continued to work for a few years. I just don't know how much a previous owner had spent. It's not black and white though. Main thing is you have found a car you like so enjoy it and there is always solutions if you do end up having problems.
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Post by merc-304 » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 2:19 pm

i agree...toss the Zeniths !
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Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 5:37 pm

Here ya go,
http://www.jameng.com/products/Mercedes ... -DGEV.html


If you search weber conversion on this site you will find plenty info from member who did the conversion.

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Post by CraigB » Thu 01 Jun, 2017 10:32 pm

But if it were me, I would get the car together and see how it runs before racing out to buy. A lot of these cars ran a long time before lots of wear and production of these kits. Try and enjoy the car first and then if it gives trouble, then i would consider going to the webers before spending lots messing with the originals.
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Post by Raijin » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 8:54 am

The Car is currently in Melbourne and I am getting it transported here to Tweed. I wont be able to fit all the parts it comes with in the car but my Mum live in Melbourne so I will store what cant fit in the car at her house and then try and figure out the best way to get the rest of the parts up to me. I will probably sell the 2nd interior it comes with as I like the original better and I would rather restore the car back to original. I don't think the car is that gone that I would consider a resto mod

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Post by Raijin » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 9:02 am

CraigB wrote:But if it were me, I would get the car together and see how it runs before racing out to buy. A lot of these cars ran a long time before lots of wear and production of these kits. Try and enjoy the car first and then if it gives trouble, then i would consider going to the webers before spending lots messing with the originals.
I agree Craig I cant really plan anything until I get the car and see what I am working with then the saving and spending cycle can begin I don't plan on getting it straight in week but probably years.

But I thank you all for the heads up about the carbs most appreciated.
In the mean time my daughter is trying to find 2nd hand tape she can play in the car :rr:

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Post by Raijin » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 9:17 am

One thing I would like to do is put hardened Valve seats in so I can run the car on Unleaded.
I cant find many posts about that more so LPG conversions I would not do that.

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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 11:52 am

Raijin wrote:One thing I would like to do is put hardened Valve seats in so I can run the car on Unleaded.
I cant find many posts about that more so LPG conversions I would not do that.
You have been misinformed Rajin.

Mercedes Benz has put hardened valve seats in the heads since the 1950's since the heads have been alloy since then (and they were OHV).

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Post by Raijin » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 1:23 pm

Oh Cool I had not been informed at all I simply made an assumption This is my first European car and my first MB so its all a learning curve but that's a good one as it saves a heap of work.

Given the age of the car what Octane do you run 91,95 or 98?
And big question should I stay away from Ethanol?

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Post by merc-304 » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 1:48 pm

98.

or at least 95 with every third tank full 98..No ethanol EVER.
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That's funny when things that you think are so common and accepted to one generation becomes invisible to the next. A few years back i was asking if anyone had a period 8 track player for sale and a member kindly offered me one he had. When i looked at it, it was actually a cassette player. Made me feel old realising casettes haven't existed for so long - and yet most of my cars have them - says something about the age of my cars too! We have heaps of tapes and discussed with wife over chucking etc but lots of memories for both of us with tapes from radio, personal mix tapes etc. I just had a quick look on ebay and heaps on there.
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Post by KimB » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 5:52 pm

CraigB wrote:That's funny when things that you think are so common and accepted to one generation becomes invisible to the next. A few years back i was asking if anyone had a period 8 track player for sale and a member kindly offered me one he had. When i looked at it, it was actually a cassette player. Made me feel old realising casettes haven't existed for so long - and yet most of my cars have them - says something about the age of my cars too! We have heaps of tapes and discussed with wife over chucking etc but lots of memories for both of us with tapes from radio, personal mix tapes etc. I just had a quick look on ebay and heaps on there.
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Post by AMG » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 6:24 pm

KimB wrote:
CraigB wrote:That's funny when things that you think are so common and accepted to one generation becomes invisible to the next. A few years back i was asking if anyone had a period 8 track player for sale and a member kindly offered me one he had. When i looked at it, it was actually a cassette player. Made me feel old realising casettes haven't existed for so long - and yet most of my cars have them - says something about the age of my cars too! We have heaps of tapes and discussed with wife over chucking etc but lots of memories for both of us with tapes from radio, personal mix tapes etc. I just had a quick look on ebay and heaps on there.
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Post by ngruzevs » Sat 24 Jun, 2017 7:41 pm

I bought my 13 year old daughter an 85 280SE during school holidays. When my daughter went back to school, teacher asked the kids what they got up to over the holidays, my daughter promptly stated, Dad bought me a Mercedes Benz.

We were concerned it was to large for her, so checked out a W123 280E sedan, she then said my 280SE is in better condition, I'll keep the W126 Dad.

Hopefully I've brain washed her enough to love the marque.
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