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Self-driving cars anyone?

Post by willtosleep » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 1:20 am

They say we'll probably get driverless cars by 2021 https://tranio.com/world/spotlight/self ... rket_5354/ made by Ford, General Motors, BMW and Toyota. Do you guys look forward to it? As much as I look forward to see and get some experience with them, I don't quite believe they will be widespread before 2030's. It should take a lot to implement them in the local infrastructures, and there are some ethical questions about programming them too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixIoDYVfKA0 Wonder what you guys think about it

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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 7:57 pm

Shamelessly stolen quote from excellent article on alternative energy vehicles.

The same applies to self - driving cars.
There seems to be an amazing amount of appallingly bad misinformation on both traditional and alternate energy out there. Driven by everything from wishful thinking to hidden agendas to hero worship to big business hatred to government stupidity to subsidy ripoffs to bad labwork to utter cluelessness to R&D funding grabs to outright scams.
Two examples.

Last week I had to go to outer south of Melbourne. I used the GPS in the W204. A major new freeway wasn't on the GPS.

Two weeks before that I had the occasion to need to drive from the Melbourne CBD to an address five kilometers away in Port Melbourne.
I used the iPhone and gogglemap GPS. - It's got the latest updates
I followed the GPS directions on the phone knowing it was leading me astray.
I ended up in a carpark underneath the Bolte Bridge 7 kilometers away from my destination.
Resetting the GPS and starting again, the first command was to take a road that would have required me to drive through a 2 meter wire mesh fence.

Government stupidity driven by P.T. Barnum showman such as the Muskrat is leading the gullible over a cliff.
Car companies are going along for the ride - there's tax benefits to be had.
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 3:20 pm

It was the lemming which ran off the cliff wasn't it?https://youtu.be/AOOs8MaR1YM

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Post by Mercmad » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 3:25 pm

imagine your self driving car taking you out to Bourke via Louth? And what do you do if the battery runs down ?

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Post by Christo C » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 3:36 pm

Mercmad, It is FAKE NEWS: ‘twas in 1958 Disney invented that story and faked the footage about Lemmings in a documentary; discredited now as totally untrue; even Disney Studios admit they told a fib.
Or is that your point?
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Post by T-Modell » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 6:04 pm

Hi,
coming back to the topic; here in Germany traffic is getting more and more heavy, i. e. in 80% of the cases, you can just "swim" with the traffic. So "self-driving" and making speed is less and less possible. So when you're on long business trips, exhausted, it's quite a challenge to drive 300-600kms home.

That's why a few weeks ago I test-drove the facelift S-Class with Distronic and an assistant to change lanes automatically. I was totally surprised, how well these systems work already. You put the cruise control at e. g. 140km/h and the car does the rest. The distance to the front car is in a way constant, that you think it's connected to it with a steel bar. Setting the indicator, the car checks if it's safe to change lanes and does it automatically.

No technical system will ever work 100%, but imho it's a huge relief when you HAVE to drive.

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Post by Mercmad » Wed 20 Dec, 2017 1:49 pm

Christo C wrote:
Tue 19 Dec, 2017 3:36 pm
Mercmad, It is FAKE NEWS: ‘twas in 1958 Disney invented that story and faked the footage about Lemmings in a documentary; discredited now as totally untrue; even Disney Studios admit they told a fib.
Or is that your point?
(In case you are wondering, Mickey Mouse was fake too! Sorry to rain on your parade.)
I just put the link up to show lemmings jumping into the sea ,but if you want to look closer,you can see they were actually thrown into the sea by the film crew.... I have known this part of the story since at least the 60's . :laughing6: :laughing6:

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Post by Mercmad » Wed 20 Dec, 2017 1:52 pm

T-Modell wrote:
Tue 19 Dec, 2017 6:04 pm
Hi,
coming back to the topic; here in Germany traffic is getting more and more heavy, i. e. in 80% of the cases, you can just "swim" with the traffic. So "self-driving" and making speed is less and less possible. So when you're on long business trips, exhausted, it's quite a challenge to drive 300-600kms home.

That's why a few weeks ago I test-drove the facelift S-Class with Distronic and an assistant to change lanes automatically. I was totally surprised, how well these systems work already. You put the cruise control at e. g. 140km/h and the car does the rest. The distance to the front car is in a way constant, that you think it's connected to it with a steel bar. Setting the indicator, the car checks if it's safe to change lanes and does it automatically.

No technical system will ever work 100%, but imho it's a huge relief when you HAVE to drive.

Regards
Thomas
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Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 23 Dec, 2017 9:37 am

https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/exc ... ePageNews7

Interesting but must be read carefully
Haab says a level three introduction period of 2020-2025 “sounds reasonable” in Australia, where autonomous driving abilities are likely to be restricted to controlled zones on major dual-carriageways.
Haab says it will be decades before people can buy a “car” that would allow anyone – even children, infirm or blind people – to travel anywhere, anytime with the same freedoms offered to regular drivers.
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Post by Ludwig » Sat 23 Dec, 2017 11:35 pm

yeah driverless cars. I need to go into town to pick up some parts for a windmill. Drive 50kms along almost uninhabited roads, collect the part and then drive back before driving down into the paddock to where the windmill is located. oh dear, I forgot some tools so.....drive back to the shed....no not there....maybe down at the dam....yes, that's right, I was fixing a water pump yesterday and left my stilson on the fuel tank......ok found it so now back to the windmill....but while I'm here, ill take a drive around the paddock to check on the lambs........why is that one limping.....back to the shed to pick up a dog and the first aid kit and then back to the paddock....where are they now.....oh there they are in amongst those trees...........
I could go on but you get the point. driverless cars my arse. oh...and I don't need to own a car....just call one up when I need it????? oh yeah that's gonna work too.
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Post by Mercmad » Sat 30 Dec, 2017 11:33 am

Musk is becoming the green guru of the 21st century and just like most cult leaders, hes a fake. Here's cardogan's bitchy view of it all. Bitchy but right on the nail .https://youtu.be/LlvYv1SJJEY and in the past where cult members have no real idea of history;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Electric_Truck

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Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 30 Dec, 2017 8:03 pm

The trouble with Cadogan is that he's a Journo.
It's obvious he has no engineering or scientific high level education.
He studies "Facts" in some pseudo scientific or online economic publications and bases his reasoning on these "Facts".
He quote's laws of Thermodynamics constantly but I highly suspect he has no Physics knowledge to go with to actually understand the science behind them.

He calls Tesla devotees Cult Members but he is himself a full scale member of the Globull warming cult. Global Warming and runaway rising temperatures is itself contradictory to the Laws of Thermodynamics - but I suspect if you pointed this out to him he would call you a dickhead.

He has some good points about self driving and electric cars but has missed the real Physics and real world issues.

Now.... :snooty: Here is the game changer.
In the last couple of weeks those associated with the US military program investigating "UFO"'s have admitted that UFO's are real.
This hasn't yet sunk into the general MSM and or general public.

The technology associated with these UFO's is unknown - at least to the general public.
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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 05 Jan, 2018 4:29 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Sat 30 Dec, 2017 8:03 pm
The trouble with Cadogan is that he's a Journo.
It's obvious he has no engineering or scientific high level education.
He studies "Facts" in some pseudo scientific or online economic publications and bases his reasoning on these "Facts".
He quote's laws of Thermodynamics constantly but I highly suspect he has no Physics knowledge to go with to actually understand the science behind them.
He actually claims he does have a degree in Mechanical Engineering.
Being an engineer myself I have not been able to fault him on his facts.

He was spot on with the Ford Ranger ad, where the "madmen" who made the ad obviously got their Force calculations skewed...
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Post by Mercmad » Thu 11 Jan, 2018 6:50 pm

Electric cars haven't progressed much since the late 1800's .They are still heavy, expensive and have a pitiful range. To me , most Teslas I've seen are simply pimped up Toyota camrys with nothing to really make them stick out .As PT Barnum said, theres a sucker born every minute.

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Post by brothermaynard » Tue 16 Jan, 2018 5:19 pm

Having driven from Melbourne to Sydney and back via the Hume last week I can confidently say i would have been stoked to have had a new S class to assist with most of the driving. That trip must qualify as the most soul-destroying drive in the world. Adaptive cruise control and automated lane changes would have been pretty nice. It does introduce the risk of drivers falling asleep at the wheel though...

And no, there won't be level 5 autonomous self driving cars in your paddock this decade. Or even in the next.
But there might be a car available to me in ten years that allows me to read a book or take a nap whilst driving down the Hume, and take back control somewhere just before Sydney. That'd be a damn good start. And don't forget there are plenty of controlled environments out there where self driving vehicles are nothing new anymore - RioTinto has successfully been using self driving haul trucks in mines for years, thousands of self driving pallet movers are in use in warehouses around the world. Step by step these technologies will move into less predictable environments.

But this progress will be slower than companies predicted in 2014. This Wired article is a nice one on that topic: https://www.wired.com/story/self-drivin ... hallenges/

As far as electric cars go - to say they haven't improved much since the 1800s is nonsense. No, they can't replace internal combustion engines for all use cases. Maybe they never will. But there's no reason to say they're a failure until they do.

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