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Post by Giles » Sun 15 Apr, 2012 7:20 pm

Mercmad wrote:
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Wonder if this would go in a RHD car?

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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by Mercmad » Sun 15 Apr, 2012 7:31 pm

The Air con might have to left off or swapped for an R4 unit but yes,I think it would fit. it's in a G wagon.

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Post by Giles » Sun 15 Apr, 2012 7:45 pm

Don't need the AC for this one, trying to keep the weight down and the power up.

Any pics of the exhaust manifold?

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Post by Mercmad » Sun 15 Apr, 2012 7:55 pm

it has the euro manifolds ,i had a W126 from south Africa which had them ,so left hand drive German,French etc would work .I sold the car to a young guy who was after some panels and many months later i saw the engine...on the floor of Drews shed... :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6:
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Post by 65Finnnz » Sun 15 Apr, 2012 9:50 pm

http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/wp-con ... engine.jpg

Ok, into the realms of the ridiculous but Brabus do tune a mighty fine twin turbo. You tube a video of any of their vehicles and listen to this thing throb. I'm still on team M117 but I'm thinking if you could find a 6.3 diff with anti-dive or just change the crown wheel and pinion from 6.3 diff into 3.5 housing? Or change axles and tubes on 6.3 diff. Mercmad did you say that could work either way? I still think 3.5 V8 would be fantastic and age appropriate. I know where there are 4 of them in a pallet rack down the coast but he will ask extortionist money. Cost to rebuild shouldn't be too bad? :wav:

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Post by Mercmad » Mon 16 Apr, 2012 8:45 am

An alternative would be to get a diff center from a US 4.5. They had 3.27 ratio diffs. The W108 tubes will bolt to the diff center .
I know of ONE 6.3 diff here which a mate has for sale . Those are 2.88-1 . Converting to the 6.3 hold down type diff is a great idea and the brackets for the sway bar on the rear can be added at the same time. The biggest issue is one of cost. A 6.3 Diff rebuild can run up to $3000 if the housing tubes need work and the if the crown wheel or pinion is damaged it can cost an absolute bomb...

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Post by drew56cus » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 6:47 pm

The painted body made it home from Sydney on the weekend. It is now safely in the shed with it's mates. I mocked up the mags and wide whites on it - I think it looks pretty cool. Pity this was not out in the natural light where the paint could really shine.
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So I would have no hesitation in recommending Michel on the forum for a paint job - this was done to my expectations. Really quick and good quality - a pleasure to deal with. It is good to deal with people where you actually get what you pay for - unlike many businesses I dealt with in building FrankenBenz. In fact, maybe Frankie will have a Sydney 'makeover' one day!
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by V8Finny » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 7:00 pm

Drew, if you weren't such a super nice guy, and so deserving of some good result for your effort....



.....I'd be soooooooo jealous :angry4:
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Post by cuisses » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 7:23 pm

What are those extra wheels at the front? Is this the rarely seen "shopping trolly" option (MB code 666) :book: ? Improves the steering no end, or so I'm told.
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 7:57 pm

What are those extra wheels at the front? Is this the rarely seen "shopping trolly" option (MB code 666)
Nah, that's option 999, the 'rear anti-lift castors' - they're like wheelie bars but in reverse - they stop the tail end from lifting off the ground during maxxtreme heavy braking! :read2:
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Post by Mercmad » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 9:22 pm

Stop mocking stuff up and get the effing car together. :protest:



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Post by drew56cus » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 9:48 pm

Stop mocking stuff up and get the effing car together
I am still waiting for V8Finny to make the generous offer of donating one of his 6.3's to get me a driveline!
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by 65Finnnz » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 10:06 pm

Sorry Drew but that mock-up looks fantastic but it is screaming V8 so loudly it can't be ignored!! Are you seriously thinking 6.3?? That would be a shoe-horn job but awesome! If they can jamb one in a W113 then the coupe should cope!!!

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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by V8Finny » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 10:18 pm

drew56cus wrote:
Stop mocking stuff up and get the effing car together
I am still waiting for V8Finny to make the generous offer of donating one of his 6.3's to get me a driveline!
Funny you say that....

As soon as I saw that Pic, I thought 'there's no way in hell that that's a 6 cylinder car'. :naughty:



I'll be using both of my 6.3 engines, but a 6.3 driveline donor car would be less than a coupe body donor car :dontknow:
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Post by V8Finny » Sun 29 Apr, 2012 11:00 pm

65Finnnz wrote:Sorry Drew but that mock-up looks fantastic but it is screaming V8 so loudly it can't be ignored!! Are you seriously thinking 6.3?? That would be a shoe-horn job but awesome! If they can jamb one in a W113 then the coupe should cope!!!
This guy from the Victorian Benz Club might disagree... :dance: .....

http://www.m-100.cc/forum/topic.asp?TOP ... erms=coupe

or some bloke named 'Karl'????

http://www.m-100.cc/6point3/magazines/c ... index.html
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Post by Mercmad » Mon 30 Apr, 2012 8:46 pm

The first m100 into a smaller car was a 6.3 into a W111 coupe by waxenburger as an engineering study. he then put one in a W113 also and engineering study but it was deemed too damn fast and was scrapped. But unless Drew wants to cut the (newly painted) floor out to fit the bigger 6.3 tunnel and fit air suspension to cope with the weight I dont think it's worth the cost or work.
If anything,I would be looking for a late model V6 or V8 write off to grab the bits out of later... A M113 would be paradise on wheels.
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Post by -Austin- » Mon 30 Apr, 2012 10:25 pm

WOW!!! Mechatronik M Coupé is Spectacular!
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But I still prefer;
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by simonsend » Wed 02 May, 2012 11:15 pm

Looks Awesome Drew!

I gotta agree...It has to be a V8 with a volume control on the muffler...turned up LOUD
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Post by drew56cus » Thu 03 May, 2012 8:28 am

Mercmad, what are these M113's you speak of? How available are they, and how big is the can of worms you open up with respect to everything else - steering, crossmember/sump, computers and sensors for engine and trans (do they need ABS hooked up etc), diff ratio's etc etc...
Hit the books man! :read2: I am losing sleep over this and need to make a decision soon! Keep waking up at 2am pondering the possibilities versus the fears and time factor...
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Post by Mercmad » Thu 03 May, 2012 8:45 am

wake up at 2AM? tell the wife you want to buy anther merc at 2AM and you'll be sleeping in the lounge.But this has got to be so sweet!>>>
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... SS:AU:1123
Remember that silver AMG coupe out front of my place? that had the m113 engine in it .That was seriously banged up but they paid $15,000 for it.

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Post by Dweezil » Thu 03 May, 2012 9:44 am

Can't help but wonder what's wrong with a well-sorted 3.5 engine?
Mercmad wrote:But this has got to be so sweet!>>>
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... SS:AU:1123
And can't help but wonder how guys with English this piss-poor can afford such nice cars unless they're drug dealers or in some kind of mafia...

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Post by Mercmad » Thu 03 May, 2012 11:36 am

Russian I think. :laughing6:
I was thinking the same. Beautiful pics obviously taken by a pro but he should have paid someone to do a spell check or write the blurb for him.

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Post by Mercmad » Thu 03 May, 2012 11:37 am

drew56cus wrote:Mercmad, what are these M113's you speak of? How available are they, and how big is the can of worms you open up with respect to everything else - steering, crossmember/sump, computers and sensors for engine and trans (do they need ABS hooked up etc), diff ratio's etc etc...
Hit the books man! :read2: I am losing sleep over this and need to make a decision soon! Keep waking up at 2am pondering the possibilities versus the fears and time factor...
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Post by drew56cus » Thu 03 May, 2012 2:08 pm

Hmm... very impressive that M113. Maybe Michel's AMG SLS fairies can organise one of those to land on my door step!

My poor wife is a bit shell shocked from all my car activities - just now I thought I would top up my brownie point bucket by sending her to see that Heston chef guy that she loves. This is the actual email:
Me: I have a surprise for you. But you won’t get it until tomorrow night!
Her: Oh God! I hope it’s not a car.

Maybe I am going to need some more brownie points to chase my dreams!! Seriously though, as nice as that M113 would be I don't think my shed is going to be resembling a Mechatronic workshop anytime soon. Back to reality!
As for a 3.5 - only if mated to a factory 5 speed. If I am going to the trouble of doing a V8, I would want alloy instead of iron block and a bit more poke. A 380 would be ok if it was a low emissions one.
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Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 03 May, 2012 11:40 pm

Whilst I have no doubts as to the capabilities of the M113, and it is a relatively compact engine for an OHC V8, I can remember reading how those who have pulled them down considered them to appear internally as just another mass-produced engine. This contrasts with the impressions of those same people who have pulled down the predecessors of the M113 such as the M119 and M117/116. The general feeling is that the M119 was about the peak of MB's V8 engines. It is a lump of an engine, but like the M117 (and M116) before it, is beautifully engineered and with its twin overhead cams per bank and 4 valves per cylinder made good power (the M113 has a single OHC per bank with 3 valves and 2 spark plugs per pot). For those who can't place the M119, just think W124 500E/E500 (and 400E/E420 and R129 500SL/SL500 and W140 400SEL/S420/500SEL/S500).
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Post by CraigB » Fri 04 May, 2012 11:13 am

Isn't it funny how you can miss the obvious - What about a 3.5 - not original but a replica of what is now a very valuable car, power and sound of a V8 - do you just need a rusty 3.5 and that could be the donor of complete driveline?
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Post by Mercmad » Fri 04 May, 2012 2:43 pm

look in the for sale columns. i am trying to get rid of a pile of 3.5 stuff but it appears know one needs it. and I'm open to offers of any kind so..."Bring a trailer!!"

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Post by Mercmad » Fri 04 May, 2012 2:46 pm

Greg in Oz wrote:Whilst I have no doubts as to the capabilities of the M113, and it is a relatively compact engine for an OHC V8, I can remember reading how those who have pulled them down considered them to appear internally as just another mass-produced engine. This contrasts with the impressions of those same people who have pulled down the predecessors of the M113 such as the M119 and M117/116. The general feeling is that the M119 was about the peak of MB's V8 engines. It is a lump of an engine, but like the M117 (and M116) before it, is beautifully engineered and with its twin overhead cams per bank and 4 valves per cylinder made good power (the M113 has a single OHC per bank with 3 valves and 2 spark plugs per pot). For those who can't place the M119, just think W124 500E/E500 (and 400E/E420 and R129 500SL/SL500 and W140 400SEL/S420/500SEL/S500).
I have heard the same actually including the fact that the head bolts etc look like self tappers... and you only use the fasteners once they must be scrapped ,not reused. \The m119 is great engine but not so common here. i think there is a W129 500SL half cut in brisbane for sale with one in it.

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Post by Michel » Sat 05 May, 2012 9:15 am

Dweezil wrote:Can't help but wonder what's wrong with a well-sorted 3.5 engine?
Mercmad wrote:But this has got to be so sweet!>>>
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... SS:AU:1123
And can't help but wonder how guys with English this piss-poor can afford such nice cars unless they're drug dealers or in some kind of mafia...

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Post by drew56cus » Wed 21 Aug, 2013 10:44 pm

Well, I can point the finger at a few people that are on here that are responsible for an E55 AMG M113 motor and trans residing at pastelgrey's house before impending transport to QLD. My own Mechatronic coupe!

I think sf0999 started it, egged on by Mercmad and V8finny. I have been torn by the E55 or M119 - both of which have been absent in Brisbane for a while, but were up for auction in Adelaide. However, I could not put Dave through having to remove 11 engines to get one of two M119's, whereas the E55 was a lot on its own. So, decision made!
The engine is the N/A version from a W210, as the QLD transport nazi's have a limit of 4.0L for a forced induction motor in the coupe, or up to above 8L N/A. So the supercharged version was not possible. But I think 350hp compared to about 150 or so should be quite enough.

I don't even know what coupe it will go in yet. I was hoping to get the grey one going or the national rally atthe end of March nextyear, which would only be possible if it was kept standard. And I think I have a LOT of research to do into the computer management required to get this all running. I am led to believe that many could get the motor running, but the trans is another thing. The trans wants inputs from wheel sensors, the speedo, ABS etc and the ignition modules want to see matching numbers for the security system to disarm. So I think all that may be getting binned to run aftermarket engine management and potentially a manual 6 speed transmission. And a custom rear end to get the grunt to the ground. So given this, I am likely to keep the tenorite grey car as a 250SE and put the E55 into either the 300SE W112 or my bent 250SE W111.

Anyway, as always, others ideas are very welcome!
And a big big THANK YOU to the very generous pastelgrey for his picking up of the motor and helping sort out freight. People such as Dave, CraigB and Mercmad are the sorts that give you a warm feeling when thinking about humanity and what people are capable of doing for others.
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Post by eddie » Thu 22 Aug, 2013 5:43 pm

Awesome news Drew. and massive high five's to Dave!!!!!!

Gutted I wasn't able to go. Dave, is there anything left there or did it all sell??

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Post by pastelgrey300D » Thu 29 Aug, 2013 8:45 pm

I busted out the glad wrap today and said goodbye to my lil' friend... gonna miss having this guy kicking around my place! I called on all of my self discipline to resist 'test fitting' it in my white 200D.
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Anyway it should be catching some rays in QLD in the next few days where Drew can begin the process of figuring out how he is going to tame his 349 horses...

Eddie I'm pretty sure that all the stuff at the auction would be gone by now, I was there for pretty much all of the bidding and I don't recall anything not selling, even if it was only for $10 I think every lot found a buyer.
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by drew56cus » Sun 01 Sep, 2013 9:21 pm

Pulled the 250SE motor and trans out today. Partially to start tidying it up, but also partially to slip the M113 into the engine bay when it gets here to see exactly what I have got myself into...
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Gee I hate separating rusty exhaust pipes.
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by Mercmad » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 8:17 am

Drew, look at getting a Ford falcon V8 5 speed maual trans. They are basically remec decendents of the top loader so the merc V8 will not be taxing itr. A bellhousing will not be a problem,just basic engineering and there guys in brisbane who should be able to print up a pattern to get one cast.
A flywheel needs to be made but the Fall can has a hydralic throwout bearing which will fit anything. All in all very simple stuff. And the gear ratios should be in line for all of the merc automatic ratios too.
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by eddie » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 10:01 am

awesome work Drew.

looking forward to watching this one!!!!!!!

I might actually be back from Melbourne for a week or two, so maybe, just maybe I can post an update in the next few weeks!!!!
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by pastelgrey300D » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 10:46 am

This is just pure speculation on my part, but it looks like the trans is a 2-piece casing, with what appears to be a separate bellhousing for the torque converter - so if that's the case then it may just be a matter of having an adaptor plate made up?

Anyway, just checked the tracking online and it looks like Drew may be getting a delivery today!!! :pray:
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by drew56cus » Mon 16 Sep, 2013 9:11 am

Been stripping the 250 of parts to take to Mercmads for tidying up.
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I also got some rear bumper brackets made up by a local blacksmith for my coupe and eddie in SA. Tidies them up a bit and after a sandblast gave them a coat of POR-15. Unfortunately though, the blackie cut the mouting part off my original coupe brackets and welded them to the new ones. Why oh why would I ask for 2 copies of my originals and then have the originals rendered useless... :dontknow:
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Anyway, not something that can't be fixed with some more 108 donor bumper brackets and a welder.
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by hotz » Thu 21 Nov, 2013 2:30 pm

Hi there, Thought I would like to say hi and has been great reading all about your work on the SE coupe I myself have a w111 1967 250 and after reading your posts removed my rear seat to see what the damage was and to my disappointment my floor pan has holes and not just one but A few.
I have spoken to a workshop that can repair the panel but he has recommended that I try to find a replacement one like the one you have removed out of the red car you had as a donor car.
I had a look on the internet as to where I could buy such a panel and for the life of me I can’t seem to find the panel I have spoken to Merc spares on ACT and they are looking at maybe removing the panel from an old saloon they have there as apparently the panel under the rear seats are the same.
Could anyone there please let me know where I might be able to scorch such a part i have looked at

http://www.niemoeller.de/w111-en/B021.html

but it looks like I would have to buy the whole panel which looks like it incudes the boot floor as well.
Any help would be greatly appreciated many thanks

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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by Mercmad » Fri 22 Nov, 2013 7:39 pm

As much as i hate to say it,steer clear of the niemoller parts. They have been under the thumb from Mercedes ,who are trying to corner the classic car parts market. You could buy the proper part from mercedes but they list them as not available although a search by them often reveals unlisted parts. .There two different floor sections from Mercedes , A110 616 04 62 and A110 610 16 61 .If you are member of mercedes club you can get one through the mercedes classic center using your club card. W108's (250/280/300 etc ) use the same floor section so if you have a hunt you might find a body near you that you can chop up to get the sheet metal you need.

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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by drew56cus » Fri 22 Nov, 2013 8:56 pm

Hi Hotz,
I would recomend you try Chris Stewart in Melbourne and see what he has (bikesncars@optusnet.com.au) and see what he has in his yard. It took quite a lot of time to drill out all the spot welds so whilst the steel from a 2nd hand car may not be much, the time to get the panel out will add up - and a few spot weld drill thingies. Your car does look to be quite rusty under there - hope that is the limit of it. Have you pulled the rear glass out yet? Mine was also rusted badly on the upper part, between two skins in the rear of the roof.
Make a post and tell us about what you have planned for the car, how you came to get it, some pics etc!
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by drew56cus » Sun 19 Oct, 2014 10:15 pm

Well, I had better pull my finger and report on what little progress I have made THIS YEAR! Work has been very busy...
There is another permutation of driveline options playing out here. I picked up a finny sedan from here a while back that had had a full M130 280 engine rebuild, only to be blown up. So I bought it as a non-runner, with the intention of rebuilding the M130 using a new block and other bits to replace the destroyed ones. So the new driveline for the Tenorite coupe will be a rebuilt M130 280SE, with a floor shift manual 4 speed and a 280SE rear end (3.69 from memory). I will drop the engine off to Mercmad next weekend to work his magic.
Mercmad tidied the diff up, and that is now in the car with all new suspension rubbers. It was my first chance to use the hoist!
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The front end from the 250 coupe was pretty good, so I just gave it a paint and grease and bolted it in. The broken finnie had V8 vented brakes on the front and solids on the rear, so they got swapped across today.
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I am glad I made the choice to buy the good coupe shell off John Green, as the 250 coupe is a bit rusty. This was lurking under the brake booster.
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The donor finnie is not being killed off though. It is an honest old car that does not deserve to die. So I am putting the driveline from the 250 coupe into it - the M127 and auto, the tidied up rear end, and the brakes. I got the diff back in it and all the 250 brakes in.

Does anyone have the following?
- a steering column for an auto column shift with power steering?
- the front prop shaft for an auto

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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by eddie » Mon 20 Oct, 2014 8:48 am

Hey Drew

Good to see some progress!!

I was going to do something similar on my car with the ventilated brakes, is there anything special about installing them? do they go on to the non-vented hubs and kingpin arrangement or do you have to transfer the whole setup? CraigB has a set that I've put my hand up for but we were wondering if you needed the whole strut transferred over.

My rust under the master cylinder is better than your rust under the master cylinder!!!! what are your intentions for the rusty one, because I would be happy to discuss cutting some bits out of it to weld into mine if it's any good, including firewall, and chassis rail under that master cylinder area and then some other titchy bits.
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by Mercmad » Fri 24 Oct, 2014 8:54 pm

Just make sure you can bolt on the larger calipers to your stub axles because there are several different types of stub axles . Early disc brake stub axles have a smaller mount bolt center ,so the later better calipers wont fit. ,other than that it's a bolt on fit.

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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by eddie » Thu 30 Oct, 2014 9:13 am

Thanks Mercmad, having spoken with Drew I've got a better idea, need to talk to CraigB again and see if I can grab the whole front subframe, then I can make it all schmick off the car and just bolt the lot in at some point.
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by drew56cus » Wed 31 Dec, 2014 10:30 pm

Finally got some calipers and brake pipes on, along with new Bilsteins, tie rods and drag link. Gee I am wasting a lot of time trying to find mis-placed bolts though. So some advice - when tearing down a car, be very anal about tagging and bagging parts and storing them in some sort of library-like way where 2 years later you can find them! Things always take longer than you think and you will not likely remember where you put everything!
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by harryskater_220 » Thu 01 Jan, 2015 6:34 pm

drew56cus wrote:Finally got some calipers and brake pipes on, along with new Bilsteins, tie rods and drag link. Gee I am wasting a lot of time trying to find mis-placed bolts though. So some advice - when tearing down a car, be very anal about tagging and bagging parts and storing them in some sort of library-like way where 2 years later you can find them! Things always take longer than you think and you will not likely remember where you put everything!
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I agree! and take heaps of photos. I wish I had taken more along the way. But I'm lucky to have the donor car as a reference to how things go back!

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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by drew56cus » Fri 02 Jan, 2015 12:41 pm

Picked up the rebuilt M130 (280SE) engine. Thanks Mercmad! The crank was balanced with the flywheel to suit the manual trans instead of an auto. The compression ratio should be a bit higher than it used to be as the pistons used this time were flat top without a step down in them.
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I still have to find my new plug leads and fit them. I won't be installing the engine for perhaps a month or two as I need to test-fit the A/C in the car so I can finalise what holes are needed in the firewall, then fit the firewall pad and wiring.
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Re: The swoopy coupe!

Post by CraigB » Fri 02 Jan, 2015 1:53 pm

Thanks Drew - always good to see progress and I reckon it pushes me along a bit too when I see what others are doing.

I must have been busy or maybe i posted and something went wrong - but when I read the earlier post about the planned 280SE I was going to say how much I love driving my manual W113 - same set up. It will tootle along with a nice lusty but not too loud 6 cyl growl, but the once that high revving 6 comes 'on cam' , I think at about 4 or maybe 5k it changes character and starts to really roar, scream etc and is just captivating! I remember taking the car to a sprint at Mallala and it was surprising the number of marshals etc commented on the sounds the car made, who year in year out are listening to race prepped V8's etc. Mine has an aftermarket box, Lynx or something on it I think, but looks pretty much like the standard one, but is two pipes straight to the straight through resonator box at the rear. It pre-dates my ownership, so pretty old and maybe the 'fluff' in it does remove as much sound as it did once, but nobody has ever suggested it is loud. I can't remember who it was now, but a dealer Mechanic in Adelaide who told me back when they were new they would take the car for a test run after servicing and he would always take them along the road at the back of the airport and loved the sound of the SL's with their straight through exhaust.

Did Ron say anything about the cams in your motor. I seem to recall there are a number of grinds. But I don't know how different or what effect that would have. I am sure I have those stats somewhere in MB lit but Haynes manual says opens BTDC/closesABDC/opensBBDC/closesATDC is 11/47/48/16 for S/SE/SEL and 12/56/53/21 for SL - all in degrees of course. But what does that mean! I guess it is mainly that it has longer durations for getting fuel in and exhaust out.

Anyway, it might not have the power of an E55 V8, but it will certainly have character. And good to hear you are planning the 3.69 diff that is same as mine. A lot of people seem obsessed with how at speed the cars with that ratio seem like they are revving too fast (compared to a falcadore) , and want to fit the 3.5 ratio diff. but I am sure that would kill the beautifully spaced gearing etc. At 110 if you want to pass a car or go up a hill it will just respond in top or you can change back and launch - Pastel grey did his fair share of open road driving going to the pagoda 50th and I think he felt the same. Just a matter of getting your head around the revs being mechanical music and not an over-revved noise - just different.

And I assume MB only ran lower comp motors because of fuels available - because they always put out so much more at higher comps. So I am sure a bit more will only be a good thing. My handbook says to run 98RON from way back in 1969 and there would have to be safety margins in that.

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