Rotisserie Resto 220SB

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Re: Rotisserie Resto 220SB

Post by harryskater_220 » Fri 07 Feb, 2014 6:07 pm

Bartman, yeah the cylinders need re boring to first over size. The pistons have been made to suit an off the shelf Toyota set of rings and made with an offset piston pin to keep noise to a minimum. No work has started on the engine yet but I'm expecting some work needing to be done on the head too.

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Post by harryskater_220 » Fri 07 Feb, 2014 6:23 pm

Update on the heater box progress

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Freshened up the master cylinder too, bleached the plastic part and came up looking new
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Post by drew56cus » Fri 07 Feb, 2014 10:26 pm

Geez Harry, you really are rebuilding the car...
Go go go!
So what was your bleach recipe?
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Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 08 Feb, 2014 6:36 am

Yeah drew possibly getting a bit carried away..
I used Janola bleach quite concentrated with some water and left it for like a day and a half, then scrubbed it down and it looked the dogs bollocks.

These side projects are keeping me entertained on the weekends while I'm waiting for my welder guy to finish up the last of the body rot, then she's off to the panel beaters! I still don't have an actual colour picked out but It's gotta be something as nice as your Tenorite grey, maybe a bit darker. How do you guys think a flat grey would go on a finny

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Post by Mercmad » Sat 08 Feb, 2014 12:40 pm

Grey is a common colour on a finny..various shades were offered :laughing6: :laughing6: .

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Post by harryskater_220 » Thu 13 Mar, 2014 4:08 pm

Drew, u mentioned a while back about a Green finny you had some pictures of specifically of the front speaker install. Would you happen to have found them recently? I'm just trying to get something in place for housings and super interested in how this fella has gone about it. I want to avoid anything hideously obvious but want some good sound!

Been a lack of progress the past fortnight as been in Japan snowboarding, but while there went to the mercedes showroom in Setagaya Tokyo to check out a couple of oldies and to get some info on paint! The paint names seem to be all over the place, it seems the states have different names to Germany and the UK when browsing the web. I found a nice picture of a g wagon apparently painted in granite grey, but according to the Japs the 2014 g wagons will be a Tenorite grey. It's so hard to decide on a colour. There are a LOT of G wagons around Tokyo, and the Tenorite grey looks awesome on them it's hard to imagine how the finny is going to look all finished. And no doubt there will be various shades of this colour how metallic it is depending on where you are in the world.

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Post by drew56cus » Fri 14 Mar, 2014 7:44 am

Hi Harry,
Here is a picture. It shows a metal box welded onto the side of the front bulkhead area which is hidden by the front guard. The speaker is installed from inside the car and this box provided the room for the back of the speaker, plus the volume required to get good sound out of it.
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I would have thought that Tenorite Grey would have been the same anywhere in the world? It is code 755.
I reckon a sedan in tenorite or a flat grey would look awesome. But then again, my car is grey, and my house is grey, so I may have a bit of bias.
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Post by Mercmad » Fri 14 Mar, 2014 8:37 am

...or you are colour blind... :laughing6:

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 15 Mar, 2014 8:47 pm

Awesome idea with the speaker enclosures, cheers for the pictures drew.

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Post by AMG » Sat 15 Mar, 2014 9:46 pm

Harry,

The best thing to do regarding colour is to look at it on as many shapes as you can, as each kind of curve / radius and large-ish flat surfaces all behave differently with the same colour applied.

Try this if you have not already seen.

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Post by harryskater_220 » Tue 18 Mar, 2014 5:29 pm

No I hadn't seen that site, thanks joe.
Can anyone tell me at what point did the 220s go from "early version" to "late" my 1962 I'm sure has all the early style stuff for example adjustable drum brakes and so on. The 63 donor car I have has all later stuff including later gearbox.
When I ordered a gasket for my gearbox advertised as suitable for 1961-> I had assumed this would fit but it turns out it's for the "later style" gearbox.
So was there a cross over point in 61 or did they continue to make both versions of the finny for a while? I've been told that: 1961> Late
59-61 early, I can't see how this is true mine being a 1962 and having early gear on it??

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Post by Mercmad » Wed 19 Mar, 2014 8:43 am

Not sure when the change over date was ,but it points out the need to use the cars ID numbers when ordering parts. The very early finnys' had torsion springs in the bonnet and boot lids ,and they changed around 1960. If you contact Tom Hanson at the classic center(thomas.hanson@MBUSA.com ) you can obtain your cars datacard which lists all the engine ,gear box and diff serial numbers . Thats very handy when trying to source parts.

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Post by harryskater_220 » Tue 15 Apr, 2014 10:30 am

One step forward

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And one back

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I decided to take a peek inside to see what was causing some pin hole rust spots on the rear arches and it seems those vents that were designed to drain out rain water collected around the boot hinges haven't been working too well. There's no fitting on the back of those vents, the hoses from the hinge area just sit in a cavity behind the arche and fills up with moisture, it's been getting down past the spot welds between the skins down to the lower lip too. More Repair work needed! Rather I found it now than after paint though!

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Post by Mercmad » Tue 15 Apr, 2014 12:08 pm

Thats in good nick ,most of those have rotted through the side of the car. :laughing6:

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Post by harryskater_220 » Tue 15 Apr, 2014 2:21 pm

Really? That inner skin was rooted. She's all taken care of now though. That actually is the last of the rust taken care of now. Now for some progress

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 18 May, 2014 3:40 pm

Does anyone have torque values for prop shaft intermediate bearing slotted nut and prop shaft to gearbox also slotted nut?

I tightened the crap out of it when putting prop shaft back together but came across a write up somewhere on the web that's making me paranoid about not having it done up properly. Any info would be cool. Cheers

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 18 May, 2014 4:17 pm

Unfortunately the old girl still looks like this..

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But now got the rear air suspension mounts done

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And she's off for some panel beating and a lick of paint in June!

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Post by harryskater_220 » Thu 17 Jul, 2014 5:09 pm

PROGRESS!!

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Post by markb » Fri 18 Jul, 2014 2:11 pm

Nice...what is the paint colour called ?
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Post by drew56cus » Fri 18 Jul, 2014 2:39 pm

Ooh, that is exciting!
Have you done the airbags for the front yet? I had to drop some spare front lower arms off to a guy 2 weeks ago as his first attempt did not work...
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Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 19 Jul, 2014 6:09 pm

Yeah drew super exciting!
It's just Primer in the pic Mark but I'm going for a particular grey I like which is an Audi colour!

I've just finished painting the front bag mounts today actually drew, il get a pic up once i have it all assembled tomorrow!
I've designed it to be a completely removable set up so I can revert back to springs if the bags suck. How had ur guy managed to bugger his control arms?

Notice the speaker holes up front too Drew! Cheers for the guidance! I'm looking forward to driving with quality sounds.

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Post by Mercmad » Sat 19 Jul, 2014 11:14 pm

He cut the middle out of the arms and then welded in cups for the bags.... I think it would be easier to weld flat plate to the upper side of the arms,or find a set of W112-W109 front lower arms which are designed for Air bags.

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 20 Jul, 2014 8:40 am

Not only easier but it makes sense to strengthen the control arms with a mod rather than cut chunks out of them.. Maybe he was trying to get an extra few mm closer to the deck?
See what you think of the design we've come up with il get some pics up tonight! If it works well i could look into having some extra sets made up for anyone interested.

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Post by Mercmad » Thu 24 Jul, 2014 8:02 pm

your missus in the pic?

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Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 24 Jul, 2014 8:13 pm

Mercmad wrote:your missus in the pic?
No, just another application of inflatable airbags :laughing6:
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Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 26 Jul, 2014 9:04 pm

More progress! No Ron not my missus unfortunately, that's miss April. For some reason it's been April for the past 4 months in the workshop.


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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 03 Aug, 2014 4:30 pm

Finally some visible progress after literally years of effort. I had to pull the brake booster to bits again after realising I rebuilt it upside down! Does anyone know where I can get the fuel and brake line rubber clips from? And some of the specialised grommets for the firewall? I've seen complete sets which are totally overpriced and probably don't need half of them!

Opinions on the colour? I'm Stoked on my decision! Couldn't have been closer to what I wanted although it's not a Mercedes colour I've got a car painted in a colour I think is Awesome!

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Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 06 Aug, 2014 7:14 pm

I got some of the grommets from Clark Rubber. Other than that you should be able to find some of the special grommets on Fleabay.
Andreas might have some too, but have not tried him in a long time...

I love the colour! Not very period correct, but who cares because it is your car :dance:


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Post by pastelgrey300D » Thu 07 Aug, 2014 10:19 am

Have you tried MB spares? Send them an email with pictures of the grommets you need, you'd be surprised what they have.

Alternatively try these guys - they seem to stock lots of original grommets that I thought were NLA.

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Re: Rotisserie Resto 220SB

Post by harryskater_220 » Wed 13 Aug, 2014 6:45 am

Thanks Gents, I have found most grommets from mbclassics no luck yet with rubber inlays.

Almost ready for the motor!

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 18 Oct, 2014 6:32 pm

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Another day in the Man Cave and a few more wires ran in and another step closer to getting the motor in..

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 18 Oct, 2014 6:38 pm

I decided to do away with the Generator and Regulator setup while I was on with the wiring loom so took out a few not needed cables and it smartened things up a bit! Instead I've gone for a high outputting Alternator which il have to fabricate a bracket up for.

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sat 18 Oct, 2014 6:43 pm

Does anyone on here still use the old school windscreen washer pump unit? Or has everyone gone to aftermarket electric units?
This one had a horrible electric thing wired up and just looked messy as. So I've decided to go for the oldschool setup. I'm hoping this will be substantial for getting through a Wof though

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Post by Jeremy » Sat 18 Oct, 2014 6:55 pm

I do, though I spent quite a lot of effort getting it to work properly without dripping water all over your feet. It actually works quite well once its sorted, sprays all the way to the top of the windshield.
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Post by drew56cus » Sun 19 Oct, 2014 7:35 am

I just got a pump setup from a 108 and wired that in. Some more work for your loom whilst you are at it!
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Post by harryskater_220 » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:35 am

I think il try to stay original with the water jets, il need a new water bag though but I noticed they sell them on mbclassics so no biggy.

I Scored the original 12v socket from the firewall of the donor car over the weekend. My Finny has never had one it seems, the cable is hanging beside the fuse box for it but had a blanking grommet covering the hole. Tried searching for the original Plug in emergency/inspection lamps but can't find anything. I thought it would be cool to make an L.E.D lamp to plug in- just need an original plug for the socket... :think:

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Dashboard awesomeness

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Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 11 Dec, 2014 4:26 pm

WOW!

That looks absolutely awesome! :drool:

Did you do that all by yourself? What products did you use?
What colour is the "timber" going to be?


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Post by AMG » Fri 12 Dec, 2014 8:51 am

Every time I check this thread out I see good progress being made and a lot of effort being put in. I bet you just can't wait to get it finished!

but don't rush it now.... you've spent all that time getting things just right. Take your time & enjoy the assembly.

Looks fantastic.
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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 21 Dec, 2014 8:42 pm

Thanks heaps guys..
With the timber I'm busy sanding it down at the moment, I might just keep the nice bare timber (I've been told it looks like ash) any one know for sure what it would be? And probably seal it with varnish but trying to keep a light coloured interior.

The Dash I sent up to Steve Knight (Dashboard Restorations) - they restore dash pads sent to them from all over the world and they do an amazing job. My one had shrunk about an inch which was obvious when the cut outs for the fixings didn't line up so they had to cut it and extend, they wrapped the whole thing again in a thermo vacuum moulding machine and vinyl dyed it to match the colour of my interior. The only difference is that it's harder to the touch as I believe they give it a light skim of fibreglass before wrapping with the vinyl. I'm stoked with the finished product. And they can do other items like the door handles and steering boss too.

I've eventually got my Motor back and been doing some work on it over the weekend, hoping to get it back in over the next week or so then not long til the key can be turned!

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Post by harryskater_220 » Sun 21 Dec, 2014 9:34 pm

Any suggestions on what I should do with the rocker cover? It's poor quality aluminium and can't get it looking nice. Is paint the only way? I wonder how it'd turn out after sand blasting...

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Post by McGavin » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 8:11 am

Maybe HPC or jet coating?

http://www.hpcoatings.com.au/coatings-a ... tings.html

Nice job by the way.

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Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 11:00 am

The aluminium is not poor quality (it is a Mercedes after all). The surface is rougher because these were sand cast.

The later covers are die cast and therefor have a smoother surface.

I polished mine with a course brush and then subsequently finer. Finally I put a clear-coat on top. Seems to hold out pretty well.


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1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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Mercmad
Mercedes Demigod
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Re: Rotisserie Resto 220SB

Post by Mercmad » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 6:02 pm

I wetblast all my alloy jobs. it's a clever machine designed by Rolls Royce in the 1940's for cleaning aircraft engine parts. it doesn't remove metal and the water cleans and leaves a shiny satin finish on the parts. it keeps this finish forever and only needs a wipe with white spirits to clean off oil.
http://www.dana-ridge.com.au/wet-blasting/

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Bartman4800
300 SLR
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Re: Rotisserie Resto 220SB

Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 23 Dec, 2014 2:26 pm

By the way Harry: I see you got your starter motor done with a nice new lick of satin black paint. Looks good!

Don't make the same mistake as me: make sure the surface hitting the gearbox is clear (otherwise there is no ground)

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "daily driver"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (SOLD - This car into a money pit)
2011 Kia Sportage "Missus commuter Bus"
2002 Mitsubishi Rosa Bus (converting it to a motor home)

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harryskater_220
250s
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Model you own: w111

Re: Rotisserie Resto 220SB

Post by harryskater_220 » Wed 31 Dec, 2014 4:35 pm

I've removed the starter and and sanded back my paint to fresh steel, Looks like I was gonna have the same problem as you, so you just saved me a headache thanks Bart!

So with the wet blasting Ron, do you have your own unit or do you take your work into the specialists?
Is it used with some sort of media along with water like how they remove graffiti? And what sort of pressure are we talking?
I like the idea of trying to make one if they're as good as they sound!

Harry

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harryskater_220
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Re: Rotisserie Resto 220SB

Post by harryskater_220 » Wed 31 Dec, 2014 4:49 pm

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Yesterday's Effort putting the motor back in. Went very smoothly thanks to the help of a mate and the girlfriend and not even a single scratch on the new paint job! Let's hope it's in there for good!

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drew56cus
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Re: Rotisserie Resto 220SB

Post by drew56cus » Wed 31 Dec, 2014 10:26 pm

Very nice Harry! Out of curiosity, how do you lift and tilt the engine when installing? I am doing one tomorrow. I take the rock cover off and bolt my tilter brackets through a couple of the cam pedestal bolts directly onto the head. Ron uses the rocker cover bolts with the rocker cover still on - but I had one engine break a bolt doing that, which Ron reckons must have been due to it not being tightened properly. Always interested in how others skin their cats!
Drew
'65 220SE 4.5 Frankenbenz finnie :)
'65 220SE/C (#1 project - Tenorite grey)
'64 300SE/C (#2 project)
'66 250SE/C (#3 project)

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