Putting Fritz back on the road - 280 SE Coupe

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Putting Fritz back on the road - 280 SE Coupe

Post by sebada » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 6:00 am

Hi all,

after a while I'm coming back to the forum with some news.

My car, now named Fritz (such a male german name hahaha) is now in my house, so I will have more time to mess around with him.

I have post some works done on the car last year but as it was on my brother's garage, I didn't have the time to go there and work on there car.

Leaving the old home
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New home
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Post by sebada » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 6:22 am

First of all I wash the Benz. It's incredible the amount of dirt that fell from where the fenders and A pillar meet.
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Then I put the gas tank, which I had removed to clean and have a paint with the tank protector last year.
I also remove an aluminium baffle that goes between te tank and the exaust. I have to clean it and reinstall it.

I also change most of the fuel lines in the engine compartment and the ones on the tank.

So, now I am going forward with this project, I want to put it on the road before spring.

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Re: Putting Fritz back on the road - 280 SE Coupe

Post by T-Modell » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 4:35 pm

HI,
good luck with your project! ... seems some of your spare time of the next months/years is booked now :laughing6:
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Re: Putting Fritz back on the road - 280 SE Coupe

Post by sebada » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 11:55 pm

T-Modell wrote:HI,
good luck with your project! ... seems some of your spare time of the next months/years is booked now :laughing6:
Thomas
Hahaha yes it is...I would say a few years.

Well, last night I changed the diff oil, I think that less than a liter came out of the car. I also replace the vacuum lines (this car has a diesel OM617 engine in it) which looked very old and dirty.

Does any one know which is the correct size of the greasing nipples of this car ?. The two on the diff are missing and I have to change some on the front suspension.

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Post by Mercmad » Thu 10 Aug, 2017 9:08 am

The diff only take just over a liter of oil generally so if it has less than a liter be prepared to take the whole thing out and replace the oil seals and flexi boot. Are you going to keep the Diesel engine in him ?
The grease nipples are a standard size. If you see your local mercedes dealer you might get lucky and find they have old stock. I replace them on cars i work on that i have never seen before because they will be blocked or broken. 6 mm I think.

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Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 10 Aug, 2017 12:05 pm

+1 on the grease nipples, all the ones I have seen and replaced so far are 6mm

Cheapest option is to buy a metric grease nipple kit on fleabay.

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Post by sebada » Fri 11 Aug, 2017 12:53 am

Mercmad wrote:The diff only take just over a liter of oil generally so if it has less than a liter be prepared to take the whole thing out and replace the oil seals and flexi boot. Are you going to keep the Diesel engine in him ?
The grease nipples are a standard size. If you see your local mercedes dealer you might get lucky and find they have old stock. I replace them on cars i work on that i have never seen before because they will be blocked or broken. 6 mm I think.
I put almost 2 liters on the diff, the oil didn't reach the filling hole but when I put my finger inside I noticed that it was very close to the hole. I thought it takes 1.8 liters but I 've seen information on the web that says it has 2.5 liters of capacity. I didn't see any leaks on the floor, but once it starts to run I'll check it again.

My plan is to change the engine, someday, and put an M116 or M117 V8, I have read that these engines will fit on the car with no major problems (not the 5.6), but I have a lot to work to do first. I am concerned about rust on the car structure, I've seen some cars like these or W108s in which the "tail" has felt. Which points on the car should I check to be aware of this proble ?.

I will take out one of the nipples of the front suspension to check the size and buy new ones, unfortunately my Mercedes stealership here in Uruguay won't be of any help.

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Post by sebada » Fri 11 Aug, 2017 12:54 am

Bartman4800 wrote:+1 on the grease nipples, all the ones I have seen and replaced so far are 6mm

Cheapest option is to buy a metric grease nipple kit on fleabay.

Bart

thanks Bart. Tomorrow I will get them.

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Post by sebada » Fri 11 Aug, 2017 1:03 am

By the way, I have another question, the steereing box needs lubrication, am I right ?.

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Post by Mercmad » Fri 11 Aug, 2017 8:17 am

No the Steering box is lubricated by the Steering fluid ( ATF Dexron III) .Do not try to adjust it etc in the car!. The coupling between the shaft and the steering column is a failure point though. As for rust ,you need to spend a couple of hours going over the car from one end to the other . They rust anywhere.

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Post by sebada » Sat 12 Aug, 2017 12:18 am

Mercmad wrote:No the Steering box is lubricated by the Steering fluid ( ATF Dexron III) .Do not try to adjust it etc in the car!. The coupling between the shaft and the steering column is a failure point though. As for rust ,you need to spend a couple of hours going over the car from one end to the other . They rust anywhere.
Thanks a lot Mercmad, I appreciate your feedback a lot.

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Post by sebada » Tue 15 Aug, 2017 8:19 am

More work done on the car.....

Reinstall de heat baffle or whatever is called, but before I did some cleaning with a wire brush attached to a drill.
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This is how it looks in the car.
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I also put the fuel screen in the tank...
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..with the special tool hahaha
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Post by sebada » Fri 25 Aug, 2017 1:23 am

Hi all !!

I've been working a little on the car. I put the exhaust rubber hangers, change some rubber hoses on the engine and a little clean up of the interior. Are there only four hangers for the entire exhaust ?
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Anothe thing in which I worked are the front pulleys assembly. Since I have the car, I noticed that the steering pulley on the crank didn't align with the steering pulley. After some research, I found that the balancing disc was not there.
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So I went to a wreckyard and got one that I discover is from the last OM617 engines but could be installedin previous engines like mine (is from '77). This balancing disc includes a pulley and the others don't.
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I removed the pulleys, and bought new allen screws. I hope I can install the whole thing this weekend.


Crawling below the car I discover some things missing or that need to be changed hahaha. When I bought the car, the previous owner was swaping the automatic trans to a manual trans, so some things were missing like the linkages between shifter and gearbox. I bought those in the same wreckyard but couldn't make it work and now I know why. The shifter is from a W124, with 5th and the reverse is near the 2nd. The gearbox that I have in the car is from a W123 with 4th, and the reverse is near the 1st. So I will need to change the shifter. I also realized that the hydraulic clutch system is missing, the only thing that I have is the master cylinder on the pedal.
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Post by sebada » Fri 25 Aug, 2017 1:32 am

By the way, I have 3 questions:

1- is there any problem jacking the car like this ?.
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2- the engine has an oil leak coming from this two bolts, but when I tried to tighten them, they wouldn't. What are these bolts for ?. Are they oil ports used in another engine configuration ?.
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3- the front windshield has a crack that goes from down to the right, is there any chance to take the windshield and re-installed it like this withous breaking it ?.
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Post by sebada » Tue 12 Sep, 2017 12:50 am

Last Saturday I installed the hydraulic clutch line, slave cylinder and reservoir. Going forward :dance:
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Post by sebada » Thu 12 Oct, 2017 1:00 am

Hi all, how are you?

I made some progress on the car:

- I bought a new used gearbox shifter on ebay from a W123 and put it on the car, then I adjust the linkage rods and lokks like it is working ok.
- I also bought a round black shifter knob and a stainless 8 mm rod to fabricate de shifter lever.
- the front suspension is all assembly and torqued, put some grease nipples that were missing.
- I changed the steering shock absober and installed it but on the other way round the older one was, because the steering linkage was touching it as it was previously mounted. I have to adjust the exhaust because it is also touching the steering linkage.
- I order a set of black/white atlas portwalls that I am receiving this week and will fit with new tires. I'm planning to put 205/70/14.
- I also order a set of hubcaps that I will paint to match the roof color.
- the rear left taillight has the turn light missing so I disassemble and will send to someone to fix it.

But it's not all good news, when looking under the rear right of the car to put a jack stand I noticed that the area where the sill and the rear frame meet is is all rusted and gone so I will have to tackle this because the car can't be drive in this condition. I looked Eddie's green beast topic and realized that he had the same rust issue, looks like it's something common on this cars. I never did car bodywork but I'm willing to do it myself so any advice is welcomed as this is a tricky area to fix.

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Post by Bartman4800 » Thu 12 Oct, 2017 4:51 pm

sebada wrote:
Fri 25 Aug, 2017 1:32 am
By the way, I have 3 questions:

1- is there any problem jacking the car like this ?.
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No problem, you are still supporting the front subframe and do not put the rubbers under tension.

2- the engine has an oil leak coming from this two bolts, but when I tried to tighten them, they wouldn't. What are these bolts for ?. Are they oil ports used in another engine configuration ?.
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I think they are bolts to mount the fuel pump on a carby engine. Put some copper washers behind them.

3- the front windshield has a crack that goes from down to the right, is there any chance to take the windshield and re-installed it like this withous breaking it ?.

I installed a few front windscreens on these cars without breaking. Make sure you got plenty of tyre grease (basically soap) on the rubber to make it slide easily.
Use a smooth 5 mm rope to install the rubber in the car. Pulling the rope towards the centre of the windscreen. Start at the bottom. Google it, it's quite easy.

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Post by sebada » Thu 12 Oct, 2017 11:25 pm

Hi Bart.

The engine is a diesel OM617, is this engine block used for gasoline engines too?.

My concern about the windshield is that it is cracked, do you think I can uninstall and reinstall it with this crack without breaking it?

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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 13 Oct, 2017 2:57 pm

sebada wrote:
Thu 12 Oct, 2017 11:25 pm
Hi Bart.

The engine is a diesel OM617, is this engine block used for gasoline engines too?.

Probably not, but it looks like a blanking plate to me.

My concern about the windshield is that it is cracked, do you think I can uninstall and reinstall it with this crack without breaking it?

Unlikely, it will crack further. You can have a little hole drilled at the end of the crack by a windscreen repairer.
But if I were you I would source a new or better screen.
Why are you keeping the diesel in it? It will be far less worth without the proper 280SE engine. But putting shiftgear from a later model will not help with that either...

Remember that you are sitting on a potentially quite valuable car (80k+ USD if correctly restored...)

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Post by sebada » Sat 14 Oct, 2017 12:24 am

Hi Bart.

I don't want to keep the diesel engine at all, but it's the engine that came with the car. When I bought the car, it has sat for a year without running because the PO didn't finish swaping the transmission.
My first goal is to make the car run, then I will take care of many things that have been neglected and finally, someday, I would like to make a full restoration, including an engine swap (I would like to put a M117 V8 in it). That is my prioject....

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