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Post by redlaser » Thu 14 Jan, 2016 11:53 am

If u need a name for the resto Merc then perhaps Lazarus wud suit!!

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Post by Mercmad » Sat 16 Jan, 2016 2:01 pm

Eh??
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Post by konrad » Tue 19 Jan, 2016 9:24 pm

Oo! Oo!
Stand by................................
Ron has promised some more pics.

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Post by Mercmad » Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:29 pm

Yep, getting there .i have been making up peices to weld in place to replace the rusted out area under the booster . it's a different shape to other finnys to fit the booster . As soon as i cut one rotten bit out i find more under there .. :laughing6: it's a good thing it's only in one spot. .

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Post by kimrh » Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:43 pm

Amazing work Ron and the pics progress are much appreciated by all of us.
That would have been off to the graveyard by most, so to see it being re-built to that extent with your skills is a great insight into the process and work involved to bring her back to life.
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 26 Jan, 2016 7:08 pm

OK, a bit more progress .I've been flat out getting another three cars finished at the same time ,plus repairing the Mig welder.
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This from before, the rusted out end of the firewall crossmember .
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I cut out the rusted parts .The inside of the crossmember has paint in it ,typical of German Assembled finnys.
The material is a bit thicker here so i used 1.0 zincaneal to shaped a patch .
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Because of the complex shapes it's easier to make the pieces required in card board, it can take an hour or more to get it right but it's easier than chopping pieces of 1mm steel .
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I've made the piece which forms the inner guard and allows the big booster to fit . More to come!!
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Post by T-Modell » Wed 27 Jan, 2016 6:29 pm

Looks like your sexy undies :laughing5:
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Post by drew56cus » Wed 27 Jan, 2016 7:39 pm

Looks like your sexy undies
Nah, hey can't be Ron's - the brown stains are outside the undies, not in them!! :liar:
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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by eddie » Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:03 am

Hey Mercmad,

I'm just about to weld in the exact same section under the master cylinder, I've treated the firewall and cavity with KBS paint while it's open and accessible, but when you weld in the last cover piece how do you go about rust proofing the rear side of the patch panel, especially the new welds?? do you have a method. I was thinking that after it's all welded in, you may have to drill a hole (I was thinking in the drivers footwell) into the cavity and spray in a wax or something???

Here's a photo of my patch piece just tacked in for now. I'm not going to win any awards for my metal work, and I'm working off a photo from Drew as there was no metal left to get a shape for it, but it's hidden away.
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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Mercmad » Mon 15 Feb, 2016 10:59 pm

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OK, i have been snowed under with other jobsbut progress is being made. The big job to date has been the rust under the booster. The inner fender seemed rotten ,but as i cut away the rusty parts it got worse and worse. I ned up making quite a big part to replace the rotten bits.
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The front part was pretty scruffy ,this is normal on finnys but this one had also rusted into the panel behind the air cleaner .
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A coat of etch primer ,and cavity wax squirted up into the fender frame to protect against future rust happening.
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There is a flange on the inside which is welded to the chassis rail.
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The out panel is then welded over the top and the drain holes made slightly bigger.
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Post by Mercmad » Fri 19 Feb, 2016 6:36 pm

Stripped the paint of the replacement front guard, rust free finny guards are pretty hard to find,especially 300SE guards!
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Post by Mercmad » Sat 30 Apr, 2016 3:48 pm

I've been beavering away on Konrad for a while now and it's got to the point where I'm removing all the old paint to get him ready for painting. Most of the paint is original which makes it easy to get off with a few wipes of paint stripper. There were a lot of little dings and dents to straighten out and on the roof i have had to sort out rust spots where strone chips exposed the metal .
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Under the paint the guards look pretty good and no rust on the drivers side (unlike the passenger side)
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Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 02 May, 2016 11:14 am

Nice work Ron, keep beavering away!

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Post by Mercmad » Mon 16 May, 2016 8:03 pm

Not much progress this week , but the car is covered with phos acid to kill the small rust spots not visible in the pics. These are from the many little stone chips , or sand chips as the car is from WA. :laughing6:

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Post by Bartman4800 » Mon 04 Jul, 2016 1:35 pm

Hey Ron,

What's happening with Konrad? Any progress to show? It's pictures we like to make our dull days a bit brighter...

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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Mercmad » Mon 01 Aug, 2016 9:04 pm

Here we go, Been flat out busy doing a couple of other cars plus the occasional quick jobs (to pay the rent :laughing6: ) but I have been flat out on the old bugger for the last few days but still getting the sheet metal straight for paint . All of the underseal has been repaired and redone in the correct texture in a cream colour as per original,this is then covered with Body colour paint when the final paint coats are applied . This a lot tougher than the original PVC and will be there for another 60 years at least.
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Post by Tazzieman » Tue 02 Aug, 2016 12:31 pm

[/quote]https://benzkraft.co/2016/08/01/300se-l ... ed-part-2/[/quote]

Says website not available?

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Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 02 Aug, 2016 2:59 pm

Works for me...

Ron, what do you use for the underseal? Wurth or Teroson?

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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Mercmad » Mon 08 Aug, 2016 11:08 am

Terosol pvc, it's a newer version of the original stuff and can be tinted . i will use a cavity wax once it's painted .

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Post by Mercmad » Mon 08 Aug, 2016 11:11 am

Tazzieman wrote:
https://benzkraft.co/2016/08/01/300se-l ... ed-part-2/[/quote]

Says website not available?[/quote]https://benzkraft.co/

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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Ludwig » Sat 27 Aug, 2016 12:27 am

Hi Ron,

Badly in need of a "fix". Please post some pics (anything).

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Post by Ludwig » Mon 29 Aug, 2016 9:23 pm

Cooooooee.
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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by pastelgrey300D » Wed 31 Aug, 2016 11:46 am

Looks like Ron hasn't been on the forum since Tuesday 16th - give him time, he's probably battling those giant golden orb spiders they have up there!

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Post by Ludwig » Wed 31 Aug, 2016 4:33 pm

Or...............head down and arse up working on Konrad.
So........stop bothering him.

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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Ludwig » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 4:00 pm

Spent a coupla weeks in Brissy rubbing down Konrad (under direction of the master) .
Now painted back to original Horizon Bleu but no pics yet.
A newly painted car with no windows, upholstery, bumper or trim is (like a new born baby) not a pretty sight.
Those who have witnessed a birth will understand.
Lots of promise but, at the moment..............only a mother could love it.
Pictures will follow once " baby" is cleaned and prepared for "viewing".

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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Mercmad » Thu 16 Feb, 2017 11:31 pm

Heres Phil sanding away the primer and wondering why i just dont use a disc grinder to do it...(Phillistine)
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First lot of sanding revealed a lot of waviness,high and low spots too ..
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OK,so after a lot filling,shrinking and fixing small dents the colour and clear were applied..
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I have started Flatting it back with #2000 wet and dry,to be followed with #3000.
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Post by Ludwig » Fri 17 Feb, 2017 6:19 pm

Not sure who that old bloke is sanding down Konrad. Can't be me. I look in the mirror each morning and see a hot young guy????
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Post by Mercmad » Sun 23 Apr, 2017 4:30 pm

Making progress,i was a bit crook for a while and am just getting back up again ,I have been going around the car re doing a few spots so he looks like this right now..
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Post by Mercmad » Wed 03 May, 2017 9:11 am

I have sorted some of the flaws in the paint but it's most all polished up now . Now the fun part starts with hunting expeditions for trim clips on the interweb etc .
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Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 03 May, 2017 12:50 pm

Nice stuff Ron!

I bought a box with an assortment of new Mercedes clips a while ago.

Send me pics of what you need and I might be able to help you with some.


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Post by Mercmad » Thu 04 May, 2017 11:08 am

will do.I'll see if i can find good pics n a parts book, the 300's have a lot of clips not found on other finnys.

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Post by Mercmad » Sat 13 May, 2017 10:03 pm

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A bit more progress as i clean up various odds and ends and refit them to the car.
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original type head lights stripped cleaned and fitted .
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Boot repainted in the Dark Grey...which looks black ,
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Post by Ludwig » Sun 14 May, 2017 4:26 pm

Hey Ron,
Don't worry about "clips" too much. A tek screw will do the job just as well. Or maybe not.
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 16 May, 2017 7:38 pm

I will take a pic of his nice new booster in place , almost lost under the rest of the engine . Windscreens are in which was a right bugger of job as the rubbers are as tight as a fish's bum.

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Promises....promises
more pics please.
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Post by ekdave » Wed 14 Jun, 2017 7:45 pm

looking good gives me hope 4 my rust girl

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Post by AMG » Wed 14 Jun, 2017 9:25 pm

I think Ron might have gone to sleep in the boot... :sunny: Wakey Wakey Ron!! :sunny: :coffee2:
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Post by Mercmad » Sun 25 Jun, 2017 1:49 pm

I have been pretty busy on the car for the last two weeks ,got o0dds and ends painted such as the hub caps and installed the door rubbers and almost finished fitting up the rear doors.
The fuel tank has been rebuilt, and a kjet pump fitted, a fuel pump cover has been found and repaired and I'm just in the process of finding some poper 15 mm fuel resistant hose to hook all that up.
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I Was going to sort out a problem with the starter not being connected properly today but there's a switch missing and i don't have any spares here.
The arrow is pointing at the roller switch required . The wiring has been hacked into by someone to try and get it to turn over i guess but it needs this switch for safety sake.
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Post by AMG » Sun 25 Jun, 2017 2:35 pm

ahh someone brought a meccano set with them and decided to work on the wiring eh Ron?

Must have been a toyota owner. :dontknow: or maybe a Land Rover... :occasion5: :laughing6:
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Post by Mercmad » Mon 26 Jun, 2017 4:18 pm

ha ha , i think actually, the inhibitor switch packed it in some time in the past , so it was disconnected and the two leads joined together. When Phil and his mate with the axe and 2lb hammer tried to turn it over they cut into the loom to the solenoid and hot wired it to a battery .I've got a feeling it will require me to pull the loom out and clean it up a bit. A lot the odds and ends under the bonnet are dirty but in good nick .

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Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 27 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

Mercmad wrote:ha ha , i think actually, the inhibitor switch packed it in some time in the past , so it was disconnected and the two leads joined together. When Phil and his mate with the axe and 2lb hammer tried to turn it over they cut into the loom to the solenoid and hot wired it to a battery .I've got a feeling it will require me to pull the loom out and clean it up a bit. A lot the odds and ends under the bonnet are dirty but in good nick .
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2006 Ford Focus "missus car"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (my new commuter bus)

ekdave
E Class
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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by ekdave » Tue 27 Jun, 2017 6:20 pm

coming along nicely .. maybe ill get a start on my frankenstein in next few month ,, have to finish my hotrod 1 st

Ludwig
Pagoda
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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Ludwig » Wed 16 Aug, 2017 3:47 pm

Wheel size??
We had planned to change Konrad to 14" wheels, however donor as a set of original 13".
Problem with 13" is availability/cost of tyres.......however
Opinions (pro-con) are solicited.
1954 W180
1964 W112 300SE lang
1971 W109 300SEL 3.5Litre
1981 W123 280e (2)
1982 W124 230e

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Bartman4800
300 SLR
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Location: Perth WA

Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 16 Aug, 2017 4:20 pm

I put 14"s from a W108 under my Finnie with a 215/60 tyre

Looks fat and a lot more potent.

I know....it's not original..but I also have a fully electronic ignition and automatic seat belts...
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "missus car"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (my new commuter bus)

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Mercmad
Mercedes Demigod
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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Mercmad » Wed 16 Aug, 2017 5:20 pm

Okay! I got the old boy fired up and running! unfortunately my camera will not record properly but it started easily and smoothly ran on all six. I had to swap a fuel hose up front which had cracked but otherwise it runs sweet,no leaks ,oil or water ,Now for the exciting part! I bled the brakes,topped up the trans and power steer and actually backed out of the shop into the street and turned around and drove back up into the shop again. The diff and trans are all working great. It idles correctly although i haven't bother to check the C/O level yet ,running fast at cold then slowing down as he builds up temp settling down to a 800 RPM idle at 180F. The rear brakes need new hoses (after 25 years i am not surprised) but with his new booster and master cylinder he stops well and the idle speed control is working well. The speedo reads 77,000 which I would imagine to be 177,000 as most of the running gear is working fine. Steering is leaking and the coupler is shot but otherwise nothing major at all. I have drained the oil and will flush the radiator ,only because it has sat forever .. oh ,and the becker Grandprix with signal seeker AND FM! actually works. I grabbed a speaker from the white whale which is a little crackly but it all works! amazing!. FM was a rarity in OZ in the early 60's as the first FM didn't come onto the air until 1970-72. All of the keys work ,including the gas cap which was seized but now locks just fine, Glove box locks to keep the grubs out too. i just have to carry on with the swap of trims to him from moby dick.

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Bartman4800
300 SLR
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Location: Perth WA

Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 16 Aug, 2017 6:03 pm

Nice work Ron, cannot wait to see some footage!

Bart
1963 220 Sb Sedan "Kermit" (Australian Assembly)
1960 220 Sb Sedan "Zum Schlachten" (Early German Assembly, with a torsion bar spring for the bonnet) - Stored in Country WA
1981 Subaru Brumby 1.8 with Weber and 5-speed box "little utie" - Sold to another enthusiast!
2006 Ford Focus "missus car"
2002 VW Passat V6 30V Station Wagon (my new commuter bus)

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Mercmad
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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by Mercmad » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 10:42 pm

I had a fight with the camera and it seems that some of the problem stems from the fact the cameras movie software isn't compatible with today's movie software. I used an app called easy player to download and get the audio sort of working but the vid part is crap...anyway here it is, the movie i i recorded the other day when i first fired Konrad up. you'll notice he runs really well apart from one loose tappet.
...https://youtu.be/XRSUTjx48CQ

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T-Modell
SLS AMG
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Re: Konrad, a tale of rust and Woe...

Post by T-Modell » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 11:01 pm

Ron,
it's time for an upgrade of this ...
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Regards
Thomas
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1967 W111 250SE Cabriolet, horizon blue
1973 W115 220D 5.0 Pick-Up Argentina, work in progress 2017/18
1986 R107 500SL, arctic white, the midlife crisis viagra replacement
2007 R171 SLK350, calcit white
2008 S211 E63T, calcit white, sleeper

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