Finnie '62

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Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Sun 05 Feb, 2017 5:25 pm

I've introduced myself before and got some really good replies from you in the past. In particular thanks to Bartman, Mercmad and Jeremy so far.

Rather than keep creating new posts for all the little thing that come up I figured I create this summary thread of my project to revive a 220SEb (W111) from 1962 aka "Finnie". Engine number M127.982-22.

Background

I acquired Finnie in October 2016 for a laughable $1800 through Gumtree - no title or papers but not registered as lost or stolen either so I took my chance. As you might imagine for that price, the car had been neglected. When I drove down to pick it up it was standing in a backyard in knee deep grass merely covered by a gazebo that had definitely seen better days. Just getting it into the shed at home was a 6 person effort as the brakes had completely seized and the car wouldn't budge on its own even on a downhill street. Part of the reason it was so cheap was the fact that its cylinder head was missing. By sure luck, a workshop on the Gold Coast about to go out of business was clearing old inventory and I was fortunate to secure a complete replacement engine for $550 the following week.

Starting out with nothing but my bare hands I had to purchase a large range of tools that set me back $1800 so far. So pretty much the same price as the car. But there's just no way around decent tools for a project like this. For anyone interested, I'm keeping track of all the expenses in an Excel spreadsheet.

Progress to date:

Not knowing anything about the original or the replacement engine I decided to do a half-decent rebuilt and started with stripping the replacement engine down to it's bare bones. Plenty of learnings along the way but a combination of English and German workshop manuals plus your support on this forum eventually got me there. Next was removing and stripping the original engine. Everything went smooth as having done it before until it was time to lift it out. Turns out two f*** bolts connecting the transmission housing with the engine were just below the firewall and impossible to get to. Approx. 4h of coursing and bruised knuckles later I gave up and accepted the transmission had to come out too. A shitty job as it meant working under the car on the floor with bits of transmission oil and built up grease raining down on me with every twist and turn. But eventually I got there and managed to get them out together.

This weekend I brought both engines and the one cylinder head to the machine shop. We're looking to keep the oversized pistons from the original block that was worked on before and make them fit the replacement block. Crankshaft was still looking good so that will see some clean and linish. So in terms of parts I should be alright with new main and rod bearings plus a full set of pistons rings. Cylinder head remains the unknown but looking at a pressure test as well as supply & fit valve seat inserts. If not done before, I wanna make sure I can use unleaded petrol.

Some snapshots

Immediate next steps
Rebuild engine.

Further steps:
Degrease, clean, sand, prime and paint engine bay. Bit undecided whether I should remove all parts and get it sandblasted or just sand and prime it by hand.
Get transmission and clutch serviced - Mercmad?

Required parts:
    main bearings
    rod bearings
    piston rings
    crankshaft seals
    head gasket
    exhaust manifold gasket
    (other seals/gaskets?)

Keen to hear your thoughts on progress to date, approach and next steos. At the moment I'm sourcing parts as described above and looking for somebody who's able to check transmission and clutch that they're in a good enough state in the Brisbane area.

Also got a spare engine block, crankshaft and pistons now if anyone is looking.

Cheers,
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby T-Modell » Sun 05 Feb, 2017 7:08 pm

Hi Mike,
I wish you good luck with that project! I always admire people who can start with a pile of crap and get a car out of it! :occasion5:
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby eddie » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 8:53 am

Hey Mike,

Good work on buying a project car, I'm in the process of rebuilding my engine (as well as everything else at the moment), so I can offer some tips on where to buy bits and pieces if you need.

Looking at your photos, have a thorough check of your master cylinder/brake booster, looks to be corroded badly and from experience this may have led to brake fluid dribbling underneath it, stripping paint and causing all sorts of havoc with body work in this area. not to mention vacuum leaks and no brake assistance etc

Good luck with the build, will watch with interest
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Mercmad » Sun 12 Feb, 2017 8:22 am

Yep rust in the firewall is common, poor old konrad here had a massive hole rusted right through the booster....
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 2:45 pm

Mercmad wrote:Yep rust in the firewall is common, poor old konrad here had a massive hole rusted right through the booster....

Hey Mercmad,

As mentioned above I pulled clutch and transmission from the car. Never had the car running so I don't know what state they're in. How would I best go about getting this checked. Is this something you do? I'm in Brisbane.

Thanks!
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 5:47 pm

dynamike wrote:
Mercmad wrote:Yep rust in the firewall is common, poor old konrad here had a massive hole rusted right through the booster....

Hey Mercmad,

As mentioned above I pulled clutch and transmission from the car. Never had the car running so I don't know what state they're in. How would I best go about getting this checked. Is this something you do? I'm in Brisbane.

Thanks!


Be careful with removing the clutch plate. The original ones contain asbestos. Do not use the air gun to remove dust....


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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:13 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:Be careful with removing the clutch plate. The original ones contain asbestos. Do not use the air gun to remove dust....
Bart


Fair warning if a bit late ;) Have a feeling though it must have been replaced in the past. Unless Mercedes used permanent markers on their parts :book:
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Tue 14 Feb, 2017 12:26 pm

Maybe I missed something in this thread. But that picture is of a torque converter for an automatic, not a manual clutch.

Also, what's with the writing on the perimeter? That does not designate an M180/M127 engine....rather an M130


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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Tue 14 Feb, 2017 1:23 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:Maybe I missed something in this thread. But that picture is of a torque converter for an automatic, not a manual clutch.

Also, what's with the writing on the perimeter? That does not designate an M180/M127 engine....rather an M130 Bart


Poor choice of words on my part. It's an automatic so by clutch I was referring to torque converter. No asbestos there then?

As for the designation, totally agree. Not sure if M130 and M127 are interchangeable or what exactly is the case here. That's why I'm hoping to have a specialist (aka Mercmad) looking it over.
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Tue 14 Feb, 2017 2:24 pm

There's been quite a few discussion here, but I think the general consensus is that flywheel and crankshaft need to be balanced as a set.

If you put another flywheel on, you run the risk things are out of balance.

Ron can definitely help you, but you might have to be patient. Just take a drive to Rocklea...


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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Sun 19 Mar, 2017 2:27 pm

So about to pick up the engine from the machine shop:

Hot tank block
surface grind block
bore and hone all cylinders
clean and linish crank
head service
pressure test head
new valve seats

Got lucky in that I had two engine blocks to work with so could reuse the pistons from one and only needed new piston rings. Head wasn't too bad and only needed new outlet valves and new guides.

Still the list of purchased parts has grown a fair bit. Hated to spend so much money on the engine mounts but anything rubber on this car seems disintegrated. For those interested, here is the part list related to the engine.

full engine gasket set , M127
crankshaft housing cover gasket 1100150121
crankshaft housing cover 1800150805 
connecting rod bearings M180/M127 1.Rep.level 0,25mm (230SL and 220 late)
main bearing set M127/M180 59.75mm
piston ring set M127 (81mm)
valve guide intake
valve guide outlet
outlet valves
camshaft chain
water pump
Thermostat + housing 1152000115
water pump housing 1152010001
1x chain guide long , 1150520416
2x chain guide short 1150520716
1x chain tensioner
1x motor mount left 1802230912
1x motor mount right 1802231012
1x gearbox mount 1202230412

The one question I have is related to the oil pump. Seems these buggers are really hard to get and if you can find one extremely expensive. I got two to work with, so I plan on taking one apart to see if they can be rebuild. Does anyone have any experience with rebuilding an oil pump or what have you done?
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby CraigB » Sun 19 Mar, 2017 7:23 pm

My understanding is that you can measure wear in the oil pump with feeler gauge - a manual will show you how and tolerance - maybe someone on here can access and post it. I don't have your motor but on other really worn 6cyl engines I have had, the oil pump doesn't seem to be a weak point. My cousin who rebuilt many working for Adelaide engine service said they always replaced them, as with any engine they did, but he was never convinced it was necessary. I am rebuilding a couple of M116 engines and my plan is to measure the tolerance and reuse the old pumps if they check out..... see what other opinions you get!
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Mon 20 Mar, 2017 11:20 am

I agree with Craig.

I can copy the page out of the original Workshop manual if you need it to measure the pump.

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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Mon 20 Mar, 2017 2:52 pm

Cheers guys! Will take it apart to have a look then but that sounds promising.
Bart, if you're referring to the blue German "Querschnitt" repair manual I have that and would expect the measurements to be in there. Will check tonight and might come back to you if not.
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Thu 23 Mar, 2017 11:49 pm

Finally got engine and parts back: Image

Few questions before I start assembling

Chain Guides
I bought replacement chain guides but the plastic ones. Now that I got them they fee really cheap in comparison to the originals. If the existing ones still look okay, would you suggest I reuse them or go with the new plastic ones? Seems like a tough call.

The machine shop removed the guides so I didn't have a good look how they're held in place. Looks like a pin though that's driven into the block from the outside. So is it as simple as placing the guides correctly and then using a rubber mallet to get the pin in?

Timing chain
As for the chain, seems the easiest way to install it, is to feed it through first and then install chain guides and sprockets with it in place. Is that the best way?

Crankshaft rear wick seal
Looks pretty straight forward but first time I'm working with a wick/rope seal. Does it shrink or can I just level it and carefully cut it off. Any particular advise?

Pistons
Are there instructions somewhere how the opening on the different rings should be to each other before placing the pistons into the cylinder?

Bart, sent you a PM about those specs for the oil pump. Couldn't find anything on it in my manual.

Thanks all!
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Fri 24 Mar, 2017 11:27 am

Mike,

The pins for the guides can be tapped in, they are an interference fit. Use a piece of brass/alu under a steel hammer. They pull out using an M6 bolt with washers, or a specific puller.

For the guides: the old stuff becomes brittle over time, would not reuse it. But I would also only use quality new guides. MBspares should have this on the shelf
Also for the chain, make sure it is an OEM brand (IWIS). A tiny amount of stretch will make your camshaft degrees off. You can see that when you align your camshaft on the mark and see how many degrees you are off at the Crankshaft.
All guides can be mounted before hand. Install the chain tensioner last.

Did you also order a new cam chain tensioner? Very important! And do not forget to bleed before you install.

Rope seal, needs to be cut to size. From memory an angled cut. Do a google search.

Have you made sure you still have your inserts in the head? Are they not rotted out? These will direct the flow of coolant to the exhaust valve area.

Piston ring gaps need to be spaced 120 degrees apart.

As far as the oil pump goes: I cannot find any specs (maybe someone else can enlighten us)
Check rotor and rotor ring for grooves and other obvious wear. Check the end float with a feeler gauge. I have never taken one of these apart.
But most important, check the relief valve on the oil pump for wear too!

Good luck, Bart
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby eddie » Mon 27 Mar, 2017 1:17 pm

try this for oil pump specs, mercmad posted it for me a while back.

there is a little trick to that rear seal, don't cut flush with the metal, it needs to sit proud before you tighten everything up, but I can't remember where I've seen that, Mercmad may know???


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Re: Finnie '62

Postby eddie » Mon 27 Mar, 2017 1:20 pm

this may have been where I saw it, but need to know the material to understand the cut thickness above the metal possibly

https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php? ... #msg155879
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Mon 27 Mar, 2017 3:15 pm

eddie wrote:try this for oil pump specs, mercmad posted it for me a while back.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21132&hilit=oil+pump&start=90


Justin, you're the man! Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!

Follow up question around the lines of what you've asked previously:
eddie wrote: (...)this pump is from a 220s or 230s, carburetor model, so it has a cam on the top to run a mech fuel pump.


I got one oil pump from my original block without cam and one oil pump from a replacement engine (out of an unknown model) with a cam (highlighted in red) on top.
Is there a cam on the oil pump for the 220SEb?
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby eddie » Mon 27 Mar, 2017 3:26 pm

I thought the cam ran a mechanical fuel pump on non-injected cars, so the 220seb shouldn't need it. at the same time it may well fit the injected cars but not interact with anything, I haven't had a chance to try it yet.

You can buy those original style chain guides if you wish, they are available, just more expensive

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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Mon 27 Mar, 2017 4:47 pm

I am a bit annoyed with my original German Workshop Manual now.

I thought I had the real deal. I do have chapter 18 in my book, but is missing these essential pages.


What does Ron have, that I don't :boohoo: :laughing6: ?

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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Wed 12 Apr, 2017 2:25 pm

Engine is back together!

Had the oil pump cleaned and checked by a machine shop and it's looking brand new and saved me a ton of money.

Heaps of opinions on the web on how to cut a rope seal and how much it should stick out. Go with what makes most sense to you I guess. Key thing I learned is to to ensure it's well saturated with oil. Installed it dry and it had a direct impact on the crankshaft turning freely. When I massaged some oil in afterwards it helped a lot.

Bearings and rods were mostly straightforward except for double and triple checking it's all aligned properly. Those 4 piston rings don't like your average cheap ring compressors you can buy at SCA and Repco and after breaking two I borrowed a decent one from a mate which did the trick.

The newer M127 engines have separate sump housing and oil pan. There's no gasket between sump housing and block so RTV sealant is the way to go.

Getting the timing chain installed was really tricky and very annoying at times but with sufficient patience I finally got there. Found TDC a bit hard to read from the pointer and counterweight. Is there a trick to get a 100% accurate reading? Also, I wasn't able to get the timing marks 100% aligned. It's approx. 1 mm off on the cam. The link between chains is just under 3mm so don't see how I can do any better other than using an offset?

And finally, I'm just wondering if someone know what size bolts go in red circled holes below? I assume they're just some form of plugs?

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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Wed 12 Apr, 2017 2:52 pm

Have a look at this pic

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/39/b0/1c/39b01cafca6ca7d506d47245cb20a372.jpg

The top hole is for a bracket which holds fuel lines

The bottom hole could be for the banjo bolt which connects a short tube to the water pump. I believe it is to let air out of the water pump.

I could take a picture tonight of the front of my engine (M180 but perfectly similar apart from the injection), let me know if that is helpful.

About your timing marks not perfectly aligning:

Rotate the crankshaft until the camshaft marks perfectly align. The degrees you read on the camshaft pulley is the misalignment. If this is more than 5 deg. you might have bought a dodgy cam chain.
There are offset keys for the camshaft sprocket available, but I am not sure where.

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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Wed 12 Apr, 2017 3:28 pm

Thanks Bart. The bracket solves the upper hole! Good one.

Bartman4800 wrote:The bottom hole could be for the banjo bolt which connects a short tube to the water pump. I believe it is to let air out of the water pump.


Matched the banjo bolt with the middle hole (not circled). So this one is still unaccounted for.

Bartman4800 wrote:I could take a picture tonight of the front of my engine (M180 but perfectly similar apart from the injection), let me know if that is helpful.


That'd be great. Thank you!
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Wed 12 Apr, 2017 7:27 pm

Any idea where I can get this bypass pipe and banjo bolt set from (180 200 0458)? mbspares doesn't have it.
Looks like something one could possibly replicate with banjo bolts and some pipe/hoses?

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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Wed 12 Apr, 2017 7:49 pm

-Wreckers
-Chris Stewart in Melbourne bikesncars@optusnet.com

-You can make it yourself if you can find the fittings. Hard solder the tube to the fittings. Then have it zinc plated
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Mercmad » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 12:09 pm

You can buy them plus the two bolt new . I always replace them because the bolts either break off in the head and block or are rusted shut. it's important because it bleeds off air and prevents cavitation in the water pump. That will wear a pump out real fast.
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby dynamike » Wed 19 Apr, 2017 10:31 pm

Thanks for your comments. Have added those items to the parts wishlist (even found a complete set on ebay) and thanks Bart for the wrecker's details. Believe I may also need a linkage and some other parts.

Been busy over the Easter holidays and cleaned up all the parts including fuel injection pump and alternator. Hope the pump will work as is as it seems there isn't much you can service on it without a proper rebuilt?

I also managed to strip the engine bay over the Easter days to have it sandblasted and repainted in the next couple of week. Got a local shop who offered to blast it for $350 plus prime and paint it and the surrounding aread for another $600. No idea if that's a fair price or not so will have to ring around a bit.

Now, that opens the question as to what colour to go with. Original colour is 050 white but I quite like the 213 pearl green which would look really nice with the red interior. Here on a 190 SL and here on a W111. Looking on the Glasurit colour tool though it shows the 213 as year 2003-2004. Would it still be the same colour or anyone know where to source the 213 in Brisbane?
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Re: Finnie '62

Postby Bartman4800 » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:56 am

Perlmuttergrun is a great colour and I was thinking about it for my own car.
But with the interior being grey I dropped that thought for being a poor match.


Anyone can make that colour Mike. All automotive mixing computers must have that colour in their memory.
Not important what brand of paint it is either (for the colour anyway)

If you want to have a try, Auto-one can mix a spray can up for 25 aud. The stuff they use is a proper solid paint; supercheap can only sell you a base which you have to cover with clearcoat.


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Re: Finnie '62

Postby drew56cus » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:52 pm

Hi, I get my stuff from QLD Paint Supplies in Dollis St Salisbury.
I love that mint green colour and have a pic of one on my shed wall. There was also one in the film "Ali".
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