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President Trump??

Post by Ludwig » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 6:06 pm

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Post by TheMadRacoon » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 8:09 pm

Putting aside Trump & Clinton's attributes (& dis-attributes) it shows that the dis-affected have risen up against the perceived / real establishment & status-quo. And in a way Trump (or someone like him) needed to be extreme (or extremely different from their opponent) to win. Candidates and parties have so few differentiators that he must have been seen as some sort of knight on a white horse (no pun intended).

At the very least it will be interesting. Can he be any worse than Dubba-Yah ?
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Re: President Trump??

Post by Ludwig » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 9:08 pm

Certainly cannot disagree. Have you ever heard a commentator talk about "the political class".
Yep. They are now so far removed from the common people that they have created their own "class".
But.................Donald Trump?
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 10:40 pm

Around 2008-09 I read an article (can't remember where) that predicted rising anarchy around the world from those feeling left out of or a victim of political processes. They weren't talking about extremists, anarchists etc but the disenfranchised, normal / average people.

Brexit, Trump, a range of independents in the Senate, whatever is next: all are various expressions of this. Particular solutions aren't what's necessarily on offer, rather it's the expression of discontent.

There's a training poster that says "Ignore your customers and they will go away". How true.
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Thu 10 Nov, 2016 9:48 am

I was struggling to understand how Trump had become so popular until I saw this video by Michael Moore which explains it perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc

Unfortunately the right-wing media have been using this video in this cropped form to make it seem like Michael Moore was endorsing Trump - what they don't show is the remainder of the video:
And it will feel good—for a day, yeah, maybe a week, possibly a month. And then, like the Brits, who wanted to send a message, so they voted to leave Europe, only to find out that if you vote to leave Europe, you actually have to leave Europe. And now they regret it. All the Ohioans, Pennsylvanians, Michiganders and Wisconsinites of Middle England—right?—they all voted to leave, and now they regret it, and over 4 million of them have signed a petition to have a do-over. They want another election. It ain’t gonna happen, because you used the ballot as an anger management tool. And now you’re [bleep]. And the rest of Europe? The rest of Europe? They’re like, "Bye, Felicia."

So, when the rightfully angry people of Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin find out after a few months in office that President Trump wasn’t going to do a damn thing for them, it will be too late to do anything about it. But I get it. You wanted to send a message. You had righteous anger and justifiable anger. Well, message sent. Good night, America. You’ve just elected the last president of the United States.
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Re: President Trump??

Post by CraigB » Fri 11 Nov, 2016 12:31 am

I had some fairly poorly informed views on all this so decided to keep it to myself. I am pretty sure there are some Trump supporters on here and they have their reasons and I'm not into upsetting people for the hell of it. But my trigger to write this was that last line ".....last President of the United States". And sure that's a line from an emotive person. But something struck me when the post election analysis talked about all these people that have responded because they feel they are doing it tough - 'Make America great again' and I think even the supporters are not quite sure what will actually be implemented and that doesn't have to be a bad thing or could be a disaster - I don't know to comment or judge. But what struck me was thinking about history, a time when people were doing it tough and a fairly radical guy told the people he would make it great again, lots of new infrastructure etc, and it wasn't all bad, but then this radical leader took things to places that the earlier supporters would never have dreamed of or approved of. But not the same person and not suggesting the same practices will occur but it did make me think. I hadn't heard any commentary to this effect so i had a bit of a hunt on the internet to see if i could find any more qualified person that thought about this or maybe my mind was just doing stupid stuff. Found this interesting to read and picks up on what i was thinking - all just speculation but worth considering where we are heading and what checks and balances we have to deliver what people really want rather than potentially voting on one liners like 'make this country great again'

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/history ... .k22fuopbt

Not intended to stir anything up and not having a go at Trump or supporters, even if in this forum, just wanted to share the thoughts.

And I am sure your searching and concern Pastel, like me with a young family you start to think how can something like this affect my kids but I am thinking of where the positives are, could there be a shining example in this of antiglobalisation that sees an environment for manufacturing to regrow here and there will be processes that will control crazy stuff if it did appear. Too much worrying gives you cancer i reckon!
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Re: President Trump??

Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 11 Nov, 2016 11:11 am

Well written Craig, and thanks for the link.

I must admit I saw some parallels as well. I studied and discussed the onset of WW 2 for decades now.

So far, there was always a "better" world afterwards (for lack of a better word), at the cost of millions of lives.
However in this day and age, with the proliferation of nuclear weapons, we might just all but wipe humanity out.

Anyway, enough doom. For now my cup is still half full.


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Re: President Trump??

Post by CraigB » Fri 11 Nov, 2016 12:33 pm

I agree about the half full glass. Wait and see and judge on the actions of the combined govt. and not just words in a campaign.
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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 11 Nov, 2016 2:06 pm

Right.

I TRY to live by the mantra:

"MAN SUFFERS MOST FROM THE FEAR OF SUFFERING, THAT NEVER APPEARS"

Which is the translation of a Dutch poem from an unknow author

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Door 't lijden dat hij vreest
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Post by 70499 » Fri 11 Nov, 2016 9:24 pm

The good news from this is that the regressive lefties are finished :dance: .....for now.

Im happy to be heading back to the realm of common sense.
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Post by Djenka018 » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 10:18 am

pastelgrey300D wrote:I was struggling to understand how Trump had become so popular
...
Try this video:
https://youtu.be/t3PgJkuczHU?t=59

If anything, this US election was a requiem for journalism, hence the total "surprise" of most.

Whilst at it, suggest seeing "Requiem for the American Dream" by Noam Chomsky

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Post by Don » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:16 pm

A protest vote against establishment figures so the Septic Tanks vote for a conservative white billionaire establishment figure. You show 'em tanks!
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Post by Ludwig » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 3:04 am

Poor buggers.
In sales, what Trump has exercised is the "promise them the world and then break their hearts" technique.
This is based on the premise that, if a promise is really, really great them suckers will suspend their dis-belief.
Offer to pay 3% pa interest and people want a registered prospectus. Offer them 10% per month and watch them come flooding in.
This technique is only ever used by rogues and con-men and always ends in tears.
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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 18 Nov, 2016 10:52 am

Trump was elected because he is not Hilary Clinton.
Something about a drovers dog comes to mind.

Hilary was the most unsuitable Democrat candidate available - an establishment pick. In hindsight the Democrat party apparatchiks have admitted it.

The other reality is that Trump or whoever is the U.S. President will be running a country which is a quagmire. He will not be able to buck the system too much without bringing the financial edifice down.
All economists and those closely monitoring the world financial situation know that the world's economies are treading a very thin line.
The establishment are raking in the dollars and talking up the economies while the sun is still shining.
If the price of oil doubled or interest rates went up two percent then watch out.

Trump won 85% of the U.S. land mass vote.
Hilary allegedly won the popular vote - however this was tipped over by the population in the larger cities with the Free faeces crowd support.
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Post by T-Modell » Fri 18 Nov, 2016 12:18 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:...
Trump won 85% of the U.S. land mass vote.
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Well I guess, then WA should run Australia ... :occasion5:
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Post by CraigB » Fri 18 Nov, 2016 5:26 pm

I was thinking the same Thomas and the selective use of statistics. So if we take the least populated electorates of Australia and take their proportion of land mass..... and that is a good reason for whatever they say to count? Was that the point or did i miss it? I equally disagree with the fuss that Clinton got more votes but lost, the difference wasn't that big and the electoral system is there to take up those differences and give voice to lower population areas. You can pick fault with any system but they played by the rules and Trump won so get on with it. I will be surprised if that administration don't come up with some productive ways to help the economy and i bet they do some bad stuff overall too and even make some mistakes. Lets wait and see and maybe learn something from it all. But is all the polarised opinion and media beat ups helping anyone?
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Post by Ludwig » Fri 18 Nov, 2016 11:40 pm

Hey Thomas,

Great idea!
"WA run Australia".........?
Sounds good to me.
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Post by AMG » Thu 24 Nov, 2016 10:59 pm

I work for a US based global company. Fortunately not influenced by any political BS.
Because of this refusal to involve, times have been tough economically. Fortune 500 companies who support an establishment (on either side) have contracts literally fall in their hands.

But this election is a complete revelation.

What people have been focusing on, and still do, is the mainstream media message - which is a very carefully orchestrated bullshit campaign - on both sides.

The underlying truths are extremely well hidden, and this is why truly independent media have been able to get a message out via social communication, and not via radio or TV saturation.
It's also highlighted a significant issue regarding journalistic integrity - or a complete lack thereof.

So I will now carefully direct you to the Democrat Parties antics in creating an elaborate smokescreen of false charges against Julian Assange, which resulted in his political asylum within the Equadorian Embassy. So abhorrent is this behhaviour, that it includes UK and Australian collusion in false allegations and fabrication of evidence.

Then we can go one step further, and look more closely at the Clinton emails, the DNC campaign and the 5 people connected directly with the clinton foundation who have ' expired' in dubious circumstances. We can go back further, and look at the Benghazi issue, back further to Obama's instigation of a war in Libiya because of Gadaffi's proposal for a gold backed currency to remove any reliance on OPEC influence.

Further still, we can investigate the NSA leaks, Snowden and the mishandling / NSA's violation of global public citizens rights to privacy.

All under the claim of 'anti-terrorism' - which is absolute bullshit.

And these people are the same people you more than likely thought were somewhat decent or had some sort of moral compass - and that includes current and former Prime Ministers of Australia, the UK, US Presidents and many EU country leaders, including the reichstag Chief marshall Angela Merkel.

Then you can look at the one person the west attributes all problems in EU to - Vladimir Putin.
Despite the dogma of KGB association and the belief he is an oppressive oligarch, His public stance against the US, particularly on anti-terrorism issues in the baltic states and the middle east (syria) has been very transparent. ESPECIALLY where US-funded terrorism is taking place.
The US sought to have him routed via the UN security counsel and via the appointment of a Terrorist state supporter as the successor to the UN throne.

If anyone were to have a proper independent view of what transpired in the last 18 months prior to the US election, you could see Hilary's dirty fingerprints all over it.

Yet, she has not been charged over the treasonous acts against her own country, her distribution of state secrets (for which US military staff have been prosecuted for far less incriminating issues) public disclosure of nuclear warfare response times (that's 4 minutes, in case you weren't informed) and a plethora of political 'pay to play' installations where cronies who donate to the foundation can literally choose a job within the administration.

Yes, there are a lot of reasons the American people are sick and trucking tired of Democrat Party corruption. And that is not to say that former republican parties or past presidents haven't been corrupt - they just have not been able to achieve it on the broad ranging global scale that HRC was able to do by abusing her role as secretary of state.

As for obummer... I hate to say it, but all facade. and a token black president stooge played by clinton like a puppet. I'm disappointed for him. He should not have run with her as VP candidate. But Obamas policies have also alienated more than half a nation, due to poor implementation, discrimination against the very demographics he promised to assist (thanks again to Hilary and big pharma) with obamacare policies - and helping to further destroy american industry, by allowing corporate offshoring of labour (non-competition policy?)

And if you look very carefully you will see that Australias politicians are doing the same thing, for the last 20 years. So doon't be surprised that Americans are ticked off, fed up and trucking angry about the state of their political system, their representatives and their government.

But they only have themselves to blame, because half of them don't give a fire truck about voting.

Australia on the other hand, are just a nation full of apathetic arseholes with no trucking clue about what the political climate is, so long as it doesn't affect the average aussies paypacket, the government can do whatever the fire truck it likes, and this is why we are worse off as a nation - and why we have a parliament comprised entirely of degenerate fuckwit retards who are there for their parliamentary pension and couldnt give a rats arse about their electorate.

Best thing that could come out of all of this, is a political witchhunt. Start with Comey, then the USAG, then the heads of pentagon and defense, the NSA, the head of NY state attorney's office and all of the staff on the obama/HRC payroll who conspired and colluded to pervert the course of justice in the HRC email charges, the coverup of benghazi, the murder of Vince foster, Chris Stevens, Glen Doherty, Tyrone Woods, and Sean Smith.

All is not what it seems. If you are prepared to dig enough into properly independent sources, noth the consipiracy theorist bullshit stuff, you'll find a world of corruption at the highest levels, Global corruption - and Australian heads of state are complicit in this as well.

So.

Do you trust YOUR government??? Clearly America does not, and this is why there was such a monumental shift.

Time will tell if the Trump has a loaded deck behind him, or if he's shuffled the shoe one too many times.

I am no fan of politicians period. I've worked for them in the past and my exposure to the inner sanctum was enough to permanently distrust any political candidate regardless of their faction / alliance / identity.

If you want true government, make it a voluntary role, for 3 years, and no conflict of interest whatsoever allowed. Bet you don't find a single person willing to sign up for that.

The world is shrinking. Politics is becoming a critical factor in border relations and power-plays. But there are ethical ways to maintain relationships also. Clinton failed the ethical standards test. Whether Trump does or not we will have to wait and see how it all comes out in 2021.


I really fail to understand why a country whose citizens so actively pledge their allegiance to a flag, believe in their constitutional right to bear arms hasn't collectively just blown every single one of those bent motherfuckers in congress, the senate and in presidential appointed public official roles away.

or maybe it will come..... when we least expect it.


I can't wait to hear him say "You're Fired!" to the USAG. and indict. Force Comey to publicly declare his role in the stalling of the HRC email investigation, and get crackin on Huma and her dick-pic boys laptop.

If nothing happens, then you can be sure that Trump is just as bad as those before him. That is the litmus test.
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Re: President Trump??

Post by Ludwig » Thu 24 Nov, 2016 11:56 pm

and the solution is...................................?
Oh. There is no solution.
Yes....we could have a revolution (Tumbrils, Madam Guillotine and old ladies knitting) but (in the end) another batch of bastards take over from the current bunch of bastards and the circle continues.
But.............DON"T PANIC (Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy)
we are well on the way to making the Earth uninhabitable for humans and, when all have died (from war caused starvation and disease)
the EARTH WILL RECOVER and BLOOM AGAIN.
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Fri 25 Nov, 2016 10:57 am

the EARTH WILL RECOVER and BLOOM AGAIN.
This reminds me of this very tongue in cheek George Carlin routine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovbF0D2wySI

The planet is fine. THE PEOPLE ARE.....
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Re: President Trump??

Post by AMG » Sun 27 Nov, 2016 10:32 am

pastelgrey300D wrote: The planet is fine. THE PEOPLE ARE.....
For the most part, COMPLETE trucking SELF-CENTERED IDIOTS

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