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Post by konrad » Thu 06 Mar, 2014 3:02 pm

FOR SALE. cheap, cheap, cheap.
Ayers Rock, Sydney Opera House, Sydney Harbour Bridge, Socceroos, AFL, Qantas.
And..............if any other Aussie icons take your fancy..............make an offer
Everything is ON THE MARKET and no reasonable (or un-reasonable) offers refused.
contact: Abbot and Hockey Canberra ACT

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Post by konrad » Thu 06 Mar, 2014 3:06 pm

Labor has vision with absolutely no idea of how to put it into practice while the Libs implement with ruthless efficiency their complete lack of vision.

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Post by McGavin » Thu 06 Mar, 2014 3:17 pm

And the greens have no idea, see visions (hallucinate) and try and implement it on everyone else.

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Post by parker » Thu 06 Mar, 2014 3:24 pm

I would buy the Harbour bridge and the AFL the rest is worth nothing socceroos or to much trouble, Quantas Ayers Rock.
But for the real profit some offshore detention centre, perhaps only a short project but big money, and as a german we know how to run them :laughing6:

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Post by redlaser » Thu 06 Mar, 2014 4:06 pm

It's a shame manufacturing is going..BUT... if u want companies to stay we must buy their products in preference to OS made items..If we all bought local cars they may still be here...tough decision tho!....We have just only started to buy SPC canned fruit only and will support local whenever we can....use 'em or lose 'em.

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Post by Mercmad » Thu 06 Mar, 2014 5:36 pm

It's odd how Australians lose sight of the facts.
it was Labor who go rid of the tarif barriers.
it was labor who sold off Qantas (and who got the usual "success fee? " .)
It is labor who insisted we have "Asian values" in the 1990's and start trading with China,leading to a vast proportion of our wealth being in Chinese hands now and our market being flooded with shoddy goods of all types. A lot of that wealth is coming back in the form of realestate speculation leading to over priced,un affordable housing for people actually living here and unaffordable factory and shop space for most small businesses .
It was labor who attacked the Australian Wheat board and saw the breakdown of a very efficient selling board which had been in business for decades and it is labor who allowed the remnants to be sold off to American interests(who have no interest in Australia doing well with wheat sales) .
It was labors Ludwig,who overnight wiped out the Australian Live cattle trade ,also wiping out 18,000 jobs and opening the way for Brazil and Argentina to take our Beef market unopposed .
It was labor who basically destroyed the country's Apprentice ship schemes because Whitlam felt it was slave labour and exploitative. The result is that massive numbers of tradespeople are bought in all the time to fill jobs once held by Australians...skilled Australians.

We can no longer consider our country to be in the World market economy as we don't produce anything that the world wants .
We have a few mining companies who export raw materials but it is labor who attack these people constantly.
So when I hear ABC journos and their ilk claim that labor is for the worker... I have to doubt their sanity, education ...or even question which country they live in. No labor or labour party has ever benefited any working person in any country. Their policies ,as shown by the Rudd Gillard disaster are often made up on the run without any thought of what the future may bring.Remember the $900 Cheques? . Gerry Harvey cried all the way to the bank on that one.
And what about the carbon tax? the basic theory of a carbon tax is to make all basic commodities expensive. Then anything produced from those commodities will be expensive . This will make things affordable for most consumers .So consumption goes down ,commodities are not produced, this saving the planet.
This is the true theory behind the Carbon tax as mooted by Arthur Pigou, and the tax he envisaged is known as a Pigovian tax.
To me it is just another bank derivative and it's basic purpose was for labor acholites to make money without doing any work. Just buy some credits from Zambia or nigeria and sell them to the Australian tax payer at an enormous profit ,off setting someones carbon output. Not that there are any factories left still producing anything let alone carbon.

Like him or loath him, Abbott is shaping up to the best PM this country has ever had,considering the massive debt he has to try and bring under control. (667 billion in case any one was unaware of the size) > if he doesn't bring the cost of the labor debt under control ,this country is doomed to become the Argentina of the South Pacific.

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Post by konrad » Thu 06 Mar, 2014 8:22 pm

The purpose of any tax on carbon is to reduce production of same. This is done by forcing those who produce carbon to seek alternative (cheaper) methods of production.
Almost all industries are responsible for disposing of their waste/by products without causing detriment to their communities. I'm sure that it would be much cheaper to simply pump all effluent into the nearest river and let the people downstream worry about it. Of course this would not be tolerated but........................one industry IS allowed to dispose of their waste without any cost or consequence. I refer to the fossil fuel industry which simply pumps their waste (carbon) up into the sky where it can't be seen. No cost for them and little cost for the present users. Huge cost, however to future generations as climate variations change the planet. More rain, less rain, more storms, stronger gales, more/longer droughts, bushfires, desertification, dying oceans, less food, more hunger, more social disorder (war) will cost.
So to future generations we say "We had a good time" "Now you fix it up" You fix it up". I wonder if we'll add "Sorry".

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Post by tsharkey » Thu 06 Mar, 2014 11:09 pm

Mercmad wrote:It's odd how Australians lose sight of the facts.
OK Ron, lets have a look at some of your facts
Mercmad wrote:it was Labor who go rid of the tarif barriers.
Would you like them back and live in the era of substandard locally produced goods and sloppily run businesses. The era of long lunch breaks, the old boys club smoking cigars and inferior technology and workmanship produced due to lack of import competition. Juxtapose the W114 with the HQ Holden or XA Falcon and I suspect you get my point.
Mercmad wrote:it was labor who sold off Qantas (and who got the usual "success fee? " .)
Qantas was sold to Australian investors (hence the Sale of Qantas act) - Would you prefer them to be owned by the Gov or owned by foreign interest. Can’t see, Messers Abbott of Hockey buying into the former and I presume you are opposed to the latter. So what is your answer then ? Debt guarantee ?
Mercmad wrote:It is labor who insisted we have "Asian values" in the 1990's and start trading with China,leading to a vast proportion of our wealth being in Chinese hands now and our market being flooded with shoddy goods of all types.
We actually started trading with the Asian tigers (Singapore, Korea, Japan, HK, Taiwan) at the time and it was a reflection of the reality of where we are located. The UK through entry into the EC had given us the boot and the US was tarrifed to the hilt. It was Paul Keating who started our entry into NAFTA (and was laughed at, at the time) . Would you prefer we didn't trade with China ? BrisVegas would be no where near as wealthy as it is today were it not for that little earner. As for the shoddy, I am old enough to remember “Jap Crap” but now “Made in Japan” is considered a badge of quality. I suspect Made in China will end up in the same bucket.
Mercmad wrote:A lot of that wealth is coming back in the form of realestate speculation leading to over priced,un affordable housing for people actually living here and unaffordable factory and shop space for most small businesses .
Foreign investors can only buy new properties and most of that is down in Mel \ Syd. Not upping the price of existing residential or commercial
Mercmad wrote:It was labor who attacked the Australian Wheat board and saw the breakdown of a very efficient selling board which had been in business for decades and it is labor who allowed the remnants to be sold off to American interests(who have no interest in Australia doing well with wheat sales) .
Is this the same wheat board who bribed and corrupted their way through various trades ? Are you all for a monopoly (which isn't Mr Abbotts view) or competitive trading (which is). Joe H fell for the agrarian socialists that call themselves the Nationals when he blocked the sale.
Mercmad wrote:It was labors Ludwig,who overnight wiped out the Australian Live cattle trade ,also wiping out 18,000 jobs and opening the way for Brazil and Argentina to take our Beef market unopposed.
18,000 Jobs ? Evidence of that one ? For a seasonal trade sounds a bit of a stretch. The trade was banned because of public reaction to the treatment of livestock prior to slaughter. Maybe they shouldn't gave reacted ... Maybe we should build abattoirs up north …
Mercmad wrote:It was labor who basically destroyed the country's Apprentice ship schemes because Whitlam felt it was slave labour and exploitative. The result is that massive numbers of tradespeople are bought in all the time to fill jobs once held by Australians...skilled Australians.
GM Holden, Ford, SECV, Board of Works, Telecom etc was still employing thousands of Apprentices long after Whitlam. Blame privatisation of public utilities and lack of incentives by both flavours of government to encourage apprenticeships for this.
Mercmad wrote:We can no longer consider our country to be in the World market economy as we don't produce anything that the world wants .
We never were in the world economy because of tariffs (Unless you include Wool, Wheat and Ore) and we never have really produced anything people wanted (geez we all drive around German cars in preference to the equivalent Aust model ...)
Mercmad wrote:We have a few mining companies who export raw materials but it is labor who attack these people constantly.
I work in the resources sector, one of the last miners standing in Mel as they all scrambled offshore during (wait for it) the Howard Gov. BHP merging with Billiton to become Euro centric, Xtrata buying MIM, Rio basically moving HQ to London and so on … Wasn’t it the Labor gov that stopped China buying Rio ? Was that good (stopping foreign investment \ china) … or bad (stopping a miner from realising max price). Over to you …
The mining super tax was just that, designed to grab for everyone a share of the extraordinary profits being made – the ore belongs to everybody and is the “commonwealth” that is in the ground. Kinda labor core values I suspect. I look at Gina, Clive et al and I think WTF ? Wouldn't this be better invested in schools and infrastructure and stuff rather than Political Parties and kids sqabbaling with their parents. Not saying they can’t be rich but are they entitled to the super profits off the back of the Chinese boom because their old man was smart enough to tie it up in tenements.
Mercmad wrote:So when I hear ABC journos and their ilk claim that labor is for the worker... I have to doubt their sanity, education ...or even question which country they live in.
Aside from a handout of money to an English chocolate factory for guided tours, what has the Libs done for the worker ? How about keeping the Aust economy buoyant through the GFC ? Not if they had had their way.
Mercmad wrote:No labor or labour party has ever benefited any working person in any country.
Did they introduce mandatory Super ? What about the training guarantee ?
Mercmad wrote: Their policies ,as shown by the Rudd Gillard disaster are often made up on the run without any thought of what the future may bring.Remember the $900 Cheques? . Gerry Harvey cried all the way to the bank on that one.

Gerry was happier with John Harward's baby bonus and his other tax cuts and related public largesse. How about his good mate Bernie Brookes (golfing buddy and Myer CEO) lamenting the hit on profits due to the Disability Insurance scheme (another Labor policy)
Mercmad wrote: And what about the carbon tax? the basic theory of a carbon tax is to make all basic commodities expensive. Then anything produced from those commodities will be expensive . This will make things affordable for most consumers .So consumption goes down ,commodities are not produced, this saving the planet.
In economics it’s called an externality, whereby if you are degrading something then you should pay for the degradation – You don’t get to do it for free. Simple rational market policies that Mr Abbott used to fully support until it became opportunistic to reject it.
Mercmad wrote: This is the true theory behind the Carbon tax as mooted by Arthur Pigou, and the tax he envisaged is known as a Pigovian tax.
To me it is just another bank derivative and it's basic purpose was for labor acholites to make money without doing any work. Just buy some credits from Zambia or nigeria and sell them to the Australian tax payer at an enormous profit ,off setting someones carbon output. Not that there are any factories left still producing anything let alone carbon.
Name 1 Factory that has closed due to the Carbon Tax. For that matter, one business that has closed as a result of it. Name One Nigerian offset scheme being inflicted on the Australian market place. Carbon trading is in the EU, California and a number of Chinese provinces where real manufacturing occurs. Doesn’t seem to have dented their output …
Mercmad wrote: Like him or loath him, Abbott is shaping up to the best PM this country has ever had, considering the massive debt he has to try and bring under control. (667 billion in case any one was unaware of the size) > if he doesn't bring the cost of the labor debt under control ,this country is doomed to become the Argentina of the South Pacific.
If Abbott had a plan and capacity to resolve issues, I’d agree. His inability to work for everyone rather than being capture by rent seekers and other vested interests was demonstrated by his inability to get the conservative independents into coalition. This has played out in gov by his vindictive payback on perceived enemies (senior public service sackings) and inability to lead the nation on any issue (Qantas is a classic case – If he could govern, he would get a resolution instead of trying to wedge his opponents). We may very well end up like Chile or Argentina, where the rent seekers and other vested interests are in charge (I am thinking News Corp, Gambling Industry (in all flavours), AFL\NFL, Mining Industry …). Who has the courage to put them back in their boxes. Sadly, neither Bill nor Tony.
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Post by AMG » Fri 07 Mar, 2014 11:52 am

There are always going to be two sides of the 'two party' political fence here in this country.

While you guys are thrashing out the bias, perhaps you should all stop for a minute and think about what the consequences of your voting does.

It's not enough to say " don't blame me, I voted XXXXXXXXXXX" You may well have. Did you think very hard about the parties policies (if they actually had any detail???) Did you even examine any of them? WAS there any policy to examine, or was it just murmurings in the press?

Wake up and smell the coffee people. The press DO NOT REPORT FACTS. They only report what suits themselves.

Now, how do you get the facts on policies? you write to the minister of the incumbent government and ask. Will you get an answer? No, you won't. Why? because they keep changing policy. Why do they change? Because they want to stay popular, and keep the media writing positive spin on their governing.

Why is one party 'better' than the other? because the spin from their media advisers is better than the other's.

How is this the case? Money. Money buys spin. Money buys 'credible' (within their own small minded community) ex-journo's and media-savvy highly 'respected' (aka popular within their own small-minded community) writers, of which any young stargazing journo-wannabe-famous-one-day will gladly plagarize (and will happily claim it for their own, and the media adviser will not care as it furthers their agenda and keeps them employed) so you get what..... facts? no you get bullshit. yes Bullshit. 100% pure (NZ used to advertise that way, remember???)

So don't let the facts get in the way of your arguments guys. You all have your own spin on the topic. That's OK.

But don't automatically assume you're correct, especially if you base an opinion on a public media story.

Instead, if you actually want the truth, spend a year sitting in the gallery of the house of representatives, and learn how these trucking leeches on society pretend to 'govern' or 'act' in the best interests of the nation AND it's population.

And do not be too hasty to rattle off blame directly at one partucular government or the party they belong to. Most of you should be smart enough to know that Australia has never been 'governed' since pre-WW1

All of australias best interests have been decided by the countries we allied with. We as a nation have been repeatedly raped and pillaged by other nations, either through their government and interests or through companies with close ties to their government.

I'd like to see how you'd all think if you were sent to Ukraine right now. referendum ha. Bullshit. Referendum on which governments terms??? Russia? USA? EU???

If you opine based solely on what is reported, then you may not get the full story. And the full story is what you should have, before you throw your political bias on the table.

History is not kind to any of the Australian political parties. And hindsight is always 20/20. You absolutely can not blame a previous government for making their decision. Those decisions were passed through the house of representatives and the senate amended where required before the bill became sanctioned and approved by the GG.
You can however, be critical of the outcome of that decision, and in that criticism, you should also learn how to and provide a means of resolving the negative aspect of that decision.

You do not have the right to criticize unless you have the means to resolve. And that resolution is called policy.

Right now, the current government is making up policy as they go - it's par for the course. Every government does it, but the LIberal Party does it 'better' than others. In a few more years, when the next election comes around, we will have had another 12 months of murdoch sanctioned media spin, and the government that sits 'better' with the media's spin, will evidently, be propelled into government.

Like it or loathe it, the fact that noone ever criticiszes the media for it's dishonest reporting of the facts is why we get what we asked for, when we vote - and because the younger generations are not impartially educated on the benefit of forming their own opinion - indeed, what it means to have an opinion - or what an opinion actually is, Why it is necessary to understand the truth and not to blindly accept what someone else tells you as being truthful -

Well, that's why we are here, right? Stuck with a choice between two parties with absolutely nothing in common with the australian public, other than their own self-interests, their need to schmooze with huge multinational corporations and foreign governments whose interests they pander to.

Just remember, over 50% of you lot voted for these arseholes. Don't be hasty to blame the governemt. Blame your narrow-minded blind follower of the incumbent governments when you want to be critical of national policy.

After all - we ALL VOTED...... RIGHT????

And if we did actually ALL do that, then it speaks volumes about the level of intellect within our voting community.

In other words, more than 50% of the nation have no trucking idea about government policy, because they just voted in a party who did not set forth any clearly defined policy, they ran a popularity campaign, very successfully - and were subsequently elected based solely on that.

And that is the greatest tragedy of all. Succumbing to popularity contests, when a Leader of a nation is required.

All the incumbent government has done, and indeed all they will need to do, is float their intended policy change ideas via the media, and enact only on those which make the government appear popular. This will ensure another term in government, and - if Abbott has learned from his former boss - do it slowly and methodically enough, and those policy changes, can be successfully formed and refined by continual media polling, resulting in another 13 years of nationally crippling policies that do absolutey nothing for our national interest, other than to sell us out completely.

Where Labor fail, Liberals succeed. Success is measured by your ability to do better than your predecessor, and in this case Abbott has a big mountain to climb to beat Howard, the politiccal master (of deception, lies, and arrogance). If he beats his predecessor, we as an entire country should apologize to the world for having our heads so far up our arseholes, that we should all be sent to a death camp, and leave our entire country free to be annexed by China.

That seems to be the mentality in this country.
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Post by Giles » Fri 07 Mar, 2014 2:02 pm

It could be worse, we could all be living in Europe 100 years ago.

If all the political in fighting would catch a boat and set sail for the blue yonder we'd all be better off.

Stand up for Australia, chop some would for the barbie, put on your blue ringers on along with stubby shorts, chill the beer, cook the raw prawn, paint the driveway and she'll be right mate. Matter of fact, I've got a thirst just thinking about it.

It's not like any politician is going to be your best mate. Get over them, they're all in it for themselves. At least Clive can smile which is more than I can say for the rest of them.

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Post by Hendrik » Fri 07 Mar, 2014 2:12 pm

konrad wrote:The purpose of any tax on carbon is to reduce production of same. This is done by forcing those who produce carbon to seek alternative (cheaper) methods of production.
The problem is the cheaper method is to go to another country that does not tax or tax as much.
That's the big problem, we are trying to compete with other countries but the playing field is not level, and a carbon tax tilts it that little bit further.
A good Government must take all things into consideration, both the need of people to earn a living and ensuring that the environment is not destroyed or badly damaged.
Unfortunately it would appear that our political parties are driven by ideology, instead of common sense and good management skills. I am not going to go into details in regard to any particular party, as we mostly know what the go is.
I think we all know that out current problems started a long time ago, the problem being apathy, or to put it into Oz speak, 'she'll be right, mate. Bugger doing a good job I am off to have some fun down the beach' however unfortunately while we have been down the beach, our competitors are working that bit extra to do the best job they can. Germany, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and such are prime examples of countries that do not have the luxury of large reserves of resources or excess agricultural production to pay their way in the world.
They damn well know that in order to compete they have to aim to be the best, so people will be happy to pay a bit more for their products, so that the level of living standard can be sustained.
Australia had a golden chance after WW2 to become an economic powerhouse of the region but this would have required a great deal of effort, guts and forward thinking. What did we do, shear a bunch of sheep and sold the wool and then went to the beach. Ohh yeah we built a big hydro-electric project as well, which was pretty good but got us bugger all export dollars and was mainly done with foreign equipment.
We could have had a steel industry to rival any in the world.
We could have had a textile industry to rival any in the world.
We could have offered the great minds of Europe and Asia a place to live, work and teach.
No don't be stupid, a white policy and mistrust of Jerry let America grab the goodies.
Anyway no point going into the if's what's and what could have been, the issue now is to move forward.
The first thing is that the 'half a job is a good job' mentality be thrown out and it will be as competition for work gets tougher and if you're not up to scratch, there is a line of people behind you willing to have a go.
For too long we have copied the UK and US way of doing things, we must change that and do things the way the Germans do. Some may think that Germans do nothing but eat, work and sleep, however that is not so, they have a pile of public holidays and relatively short working times http://businessculture.org/western-euro ... n-germany/ difference is, when they are on the job, they are on the job. Sure that may be less so than during the 'economic miracle' but there is still an underlying assumption that you will do your best or face the consequences.

Lastly I ask you that you keep this discussion civil and productive, end of the day where all in the same boat regardless of which flavour of lying bastard we like in the bullshit factory.
Name calling and finger pointing is not going to fix anything.

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Post by konrad » Fri 07 Mar, 2014 5:24 pm

This is a real dilemma because the Co2 produced in any Country does not stay within the borders of the place. This means that you WILL eventually pay the full price for that cheap imported product which you just bought. You have only paid a deposit now.
Of course everyone recognises the root of the problem is the democratic system of government where the vote of the wise, thoughtful, forward looking, considerate person is negated by the vote of the fool who says. "Yeah" "What's in it for me?" But then, what other system could we have? Well of course we will all cry "benevolent dictatorship". All that is except the fool who doesn't know what that means. Problem is who will fill the role of dictator? And we all cry ME. We all know what's best for everyone (well I do). But how do I get everyone to recognise this unique ability of mine and give me the power? Looks like we're just going to have to keep this Democracy thing going until I figure out a way. :violent1:

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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 07 Mar, 2014 7:16 pm

On the risk of going off in a tangent:

We (my company and me) designed a new winch system and had it tested yesterday at a rigging place down the road.
I was talking to the truckie who brought our winch there and another one who just happened to deliver some big ass anchors.

They both agreed to rather work by themselves than employing anyone, because to them it seemed impossible to employ a decent driver.

His words: "I had people coming through for a job opening (truck driver) and all I saw was the dregs of society..."
"I finally employed someone and he took out a 100k billboard on his first day. He did not understand why I let him go after that one disastrous day...."

It really seems that a lot of employees could not give a rat's arse about their employers equipment.
I work for an international company that employs people from all over the planet. That seems to work quite well.
Most of the Australian born professionals I worked with over the years seem to have their act together, and are very reliable, knowledgeable, hardworking and competitive.
Unfortunately not so for a lot of "hands-on" colleagues.

When we know that Australia is surrounded by countries where people are used to run a lot faster, is it any wonder that we cannot compete?

Other than that, and I said this before. We will never be able to compete when it comes to production of goods with low inherent intelligence.
Develop a more technology based production; i.e. add more value with less people.

High Tech, innovative, high value..


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