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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 8:41 pm

I think the phraseology of "Plug 'n Play" is somewhat generic in real-world swaps.

Even with mercedes->mercedes swaps, there are dozens of little things that get in your way. Remind me to tell you how straightforward a 716.6xx into a c124 is one day, and that was an 'easy' swap by my book.

I suppose you have the sawzall out for the trans tunnel and firewall mods?
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Giles » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 11:30 pm

Giles wrote:Short cut everything Thomas, just put a flat tray on the SL.

Das-Bogan style. :dance:

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Fri 23 Jun, 2017 12:18 am

Giles wrote:
Giles wrote:Short cut everything Thomas, just put a flat tray on the SL.

Das-Bogan style. :dance:

Giles


I still stand by this post


I'll bring some salt for your wounds next year to WA :laughing6: ... made a huge step today, but aren't there yet. ... and the car is empty, yes ...

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Giles » Fri 23 Jun, 2017 12:46 am

T-Modell wrote:
Giles wrote:
Giles wrote:Short cut everything Thomas, just put a flat tray on the SL.

Das-Bogan style. :dance:

Giles


I still stand by this post


I'll bring some salt for your wounds next year to WA :laughing6: ... made a huge step today, but aren't there yet. ... and the car is empty, yes ...

Regards
Thomas


Thomas,

Bring the salt & the tequila, I'll bring the lemons and limes.

Looking forward to it.

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Fri 23 Jun, 2017 5:21 pm

Hi guys,

I do have the feeling, that we have done a huge step forward yesterday. Still not there, but I think we have a technical solution on how to fit that motor in. Then there's still a long way to go until we can test-drive the whole motor/axle/drive-train setup ...

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Sun 25 Jun, 2017 3:18 pm

tick... tock...

Like sands through the hourglass...... :clock: so too are the projects in our lives..... :laughing5: :occasion5:
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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Sun 25 Jun, 2017 6:56 pm

AMG wrote:tick... tock...

Like sands through the hourglass...... :clock: so too are the projects in our lives..... :laughing5: :occasion5:


So you're having your philosophical day today :laughing6: ... guess how often I had that during the last years ... :laughing5:

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Sun 25 Jun, 2017 7:34 pm

It was quite windy and cold here today, and my project stalled.... so yes, one of those less-than-productive 'Days of our Lives' :laughing6: :coffee2: :boohoo:
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Honey500 » Wed 05 Jul, 2017 12:44 am

Hi Thomas,

Just catching up on the epic that is the ute project.

I very much like the sound of 'solutions' even if some ways off a test run.

Best of luck look forward to the next installment or even chapter?

Cheers

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Wed 05 Jul, 2017 2:58 am

Thank you Stuart,

no progress for the next two weeks ... I have to earn some money for this project :laughing6: ... but the next steps are clear and I will report from then. My objective is to have it running by xmas, so we can then dismantle it completely and start with the bodywork ... we'll see!

I'm determined to keep my "crazy guy" title at the local Mercedes workshop :occasion5:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Honey500 » Wed 05 Jul, 2017 11:42 pm

Thomas from what I can see there is little chance of loosing that title :dance:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:09 pm

Has anyone actually contemplated a complete firewall / tranmission tunnel / front floorpan section from a w123 to be swapped - wholesale? i.e. donor w123.

I'm curious if it could be performed and whether or not the room exists between the A pillars.

I think you sent your R107 off maybe a bit too early. Possibly could have used the trans tunnel / firewall / floorpan section from that ?
That is something which only just came to mind. I don't think I mentioned this when the original idea was being discussed...

:dontknow:


But I'm pretty sure you'll remain the "Crazy Guy" - and once you pull it off, Every stealership in Germany will hear about it.....

They probably have already emailed their other workshops and said "haha look what this gullibale fool brought in for us... $$$$$$$ KA-CHING $$$$$$$ :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: "

Those buggers will be laughing all the way to Deutche bank. :occasion5:

You might need an extra week of work too Thomas, You know how these project budgets have a way of "blowing out"
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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 6:59 pm

Hi AMG,
I don't think a whole front part swap from the R107 would have gotten the approval of our TUEV here.

Regarding $$$: You're wrong, but everyone here thinks that I'm an idiot. One just cannot believe, that there is something like an honest, fair-charging MB stealership. But I have one, proven over the last 10 years.

The "super" company in Frankfurt "only" charged me 50 Euros net an hour, but their efficiency (not even starting to talk about their competency) was bad. I spent a whole day there and saw it myself what it means to them "working an hour".

Believe it or not: I talked to my MB stealership here, asked them for a fair price per hour, telling them about "being a good customer" and having no responsibility whatsoever, as I'm just merely booking hours. Juergen is extremely experienced, 57 years old, knows everything in and out, not a show-off and with him "working one hour" means one hour. The hourly rate of course is higher than the one mentioned above, BUT it's about 25% below their normal rate. This is what I call fair.

So I am aware, that I will leave a good amount of Euros there, but the only other option would have been to abort this project. Even Stefan-6.9 was completely surprised about them, when he visited me and the workshop to create ideas for the conversion.

Maybe my workshop (btw an official MB dealer with 5 or 6 subsidiaries) is somewhat special, but I trust them fully.

With my best regards
Thomas

P. S.: It's like comparing cleaning staff: Someone for 10 Euros/h is not necessarily cheaper than someone for 15 Euros/h ...
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 7:38 pm

T-Modell wrote:Hi AMG,
I don't think a whole front part swap from the R107 would have gotten the approval of our TUEV here.

Probably not - but restitching the transmission tunnel may have been an option just from a clearance perspective - that's all I was implying - as the 107's got the clearance for the 722.3 transmission and the M117 engine.

Regarding $$$: You're wrong, but everyone here thinks that I'm an idiot. One just cannot believe, that there is something like an honest, fair-charging MB stealership. But I have one, proven over the last 10 years

I don't think anyone - at least no-one here thinks you're an idiot - quite the opposite actually. Maybe a sucker for punishment perhaps :laughing6: - but any project is like that. What's far more difficult for us downunder to comprehend is that you have:

1. A stealership actually agreeing to do the work. :laughing5: If it's over 5 years old here they just pretend you don't exist - especially when you walk up to the parts / service counter.
2. Being charged a fair and reasonable rate (without being "milked") :think:

Believe it or not: I talked to my MB stealership here, asked them for a fair price per hour, telling them about "being a good customer" and having no responsibility whatsoever, as I'm just merely booking hours. Juergen is extremely experienced, 57 years old, knows everything in and out, not a show-off and with him "working one hour" means one hour. The hourly rate of course is higher than the one mentioned above, BUT it's about 25% below their normal rate. This is what I call fair.


Agreed, if you negotiated what you feel is fair compensation, then yes the price, is the price. Australia isn't quite like that - there are always "variables" - and some (not all) workshops abuse this item. Some "massage" it, and some are reasonable. It's like buying a lotto ticket - you never really know whether they are going to be a-holes and take you for a ride, or if they will act fairly.

So the cynical view prevails - and the dealerships are just over the top when it comes to quality and quantity of work versus the actual price. So that's probably why people are thinking " Geez, he must be barking mad - getting it done at a dealer!"


Maybe my workshop (btw an official MB dealer with 5 or 6 subsidiaries) is somewhat special, but I trust them fully.


Well, you wouldn't let them near your project if you did not trust them, but from what I gather, it seems you have a good relationship with the dealer, and they are supporting your enthusiasm, by wanting to be involved in the project. That's certainly a far cry from the attitude I have received from any dealer in this country.
I think that when it's complete, they may want it as a workshop "service" car??? Maybe there is a hidden motivation :laughing6:
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1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:25 pm

Thanks Joe,

for your words ... after I read your statement, I just want to clarify something, that can easily misinterpreted (I didn't word it properly):
T-Modell wrote:...
Regarding $$$: You're wrong, but everyone here thinks that I'm an idiot. ...

What I meant with "here" is NOT the forum here, but I meant the people HERE in Germany, who I tell, that I'm doing the project with an MB dea-lership.

Btw., you're right ... this stealership is doing a lot in the classic car area (they're restoring a W100 at the moment, actually Juergen is doing the work), so if this project is ever running, there will be a remark, that it was possible with the help of them AND of course a lot of help I got from here (which now means Ozbenz :laughing6: )

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby John Green » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 10:05 pm

T-Modell wrote:I'm determined to keep my "crazy guy" title at the local Mercedes workshop :occasion5:
Thomas


Don't get too excited, you don't even qualify for that title at our place... :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby 70499 » Fri 07 Jul, 2017 11:44 pm

T-Modell wrote:
I'm determined to keep my "crazy guy" title at the local Mercedes workshop :occasion5:
Thomas


Just download from the interwebs a "not insane certificate". Fill in your full name and details and present it to the stealership".
If that fails, welcome to the asylum :dance:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Sat 22 Jul, 2017 2:01 am

Hi guys,

some progress at last; after we spent a full day last Monday with ZERO progress (nothing worked), we think that we finally found a solution, how to fit that motor in. Yesterday I printed another piece in 3D for testing and now I will have the motor holder produced in steel according to my 3D-drawing ... hopefully it'll work then.

The Plan is to have those holders in 2-3 weeks, then get the motor in. After that, the car goes to the exhaust specialist and the drive-shaft-extending-and-balancing-specialist ... the exhaust will be custom-made incl. manifolds. After that we'll put the donor car together in a way that it runs for testing purposes; this will also include a motor revision, as we found out that the "slide bar" (?? Gleitschiene, made out of plastic) in the M117 is defective ... we found parts in the oil pan.

Anyway, enough to do until the end of the year. Then the body work should be starting. Sometimes I'm amazed about myself, how much patience I gained while getting older :laughing6: :laughing6:

Best regards
Thomas
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby John Green » Sat 22 Jul, 2017 1:33 pm

T-Modell wrote:Hi guys,
this will also include a motor revision, as we found out that the "slide bar" (?? Gleitschiene, made out of plastic) in the M117 is defective ... we found parts in the oil pan.


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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Sat 22 Jul, 2017 3:37 pm

Hi John,
thanks for the word :glasses2: ... I drove the car two years ago ... as we haven't dismantled the motor yet, I cannot say what's broken. But as the motor's out anyway, all the standard parts will be changed, especially the ones that you cannot access when the motor is in the car.

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Fri 04 Aug, 2017 11:18 pm

Hi guys,

some progress to report (still waiting for the motor holders): The brake booster is now in place and Juergen from Mercedes found a pretty good solution. Together with my modified W115 brake pedal (used the pedal of a W124), it should work.

As the W115 tank opening is between the rear lights, but the pickup has it on the right, we removed the Pick-Up-Tank today; as everything is rotten with this car, it was quite surprising that the tank is in pretty good nick. So we will rebuild it from Diesel to Petrol ... at least some money saved ... just recovered from my heart attack after receiving the Mercedes bill for July :laughing6:

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Mercmad » Tue 08 Aug, 2017 10:20 pm

T-Modell wrote:Hi guys,

... just recovered from my heart attack after receiving the Mercedes bill for July :laughing6:

Regards
Thomas
i was reminded today that an engine swap I am doing has taken a year and a half ...... time flies when you are head down arse up on a project. But this happens when the owner decides they want other things done which stretch out the time and I haven't booked all the time i have worked on this damn thing ha ha ha
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