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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby CraigB » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 8:25 pm

Without going back through the pages, it has been done before hasn't it? Was there something about engine or booster on an angle? And you could always go the same road as my Alfa and have a remote booster if that is a tricky bit. I have to admire your patience and determination.
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 8:37 pm

Craig,

of course it has been done before, but it's a more tricky thing than I thought ... definitely not plug and play. What really pi ss es me off is those "specialists" with the big mouth, who then turn out to not have a clue and blame me for it. I do hope, that Stefan takes on that project and gets it done. What he's done with the 450SLC 6.9 (incl. hp suspension) is just amazing.

He's got enough work, but when I showed him my "automatic automatic" and the 3D-printed cluster he really was impressed ... he's also a bit of a perfectionist and likes the details :laughing6:

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P. S.: Today I continue to redesign the "automatic automatic" ... from mechanical switches to opto-couplers ... and from the "old" W108-indicator-stick to a W211-cruise-control-stick (this doesn't click in) :laughing6:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Sun 23 Apr, 2017 1:36 am

Hi,
a short update; I terminated the collaboration with this company last week. My hope at the moment - are you sitting firmly? - is my Mercedes Stealership here. As mentioned often before, there's one guy (end-fifties) who could do it. Of course more expensive, but only 5 minutes away. At the moment my stealership restores a W100 600 ... I'm waiting for a reply. Stefan (6.9 SLC) would have been interested but cannot commit at the moment due to personal reasons.

So the company so far will make the donor car "rollable" again and then I have to organise a transport to whoever continues. Somehow I'm not too lucky with the project :whistle:

Anyway, life's hard, but there's no life without a hard one ...
Thomas

P. S.: On the way home, the station wagon was full with parts :laughing6:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby cuisses » Sun 23 Apr, 2017 5:16 pm

T-Modell wrote: My hope at the moment - are you sitting firmly? - is my Mercedes Stealership here.



Thomas, you didn't give us sufficient warning. I wasn't "sitting firmly" at all, and I have fainted, swallowed my tongue, and sustained a serious injury caused by your careless and thoughtless post. You can expect to be contacted by my crack team of lawyers. We are asking for an out-of-court settlement of 10 million Euro, of which my lawyers get 98%.

It is starting to look like shipping this project to MB Spares is the best and cheapest option ....
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Sun 23 Apr, 2017 6:10 pm

:laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: ... you're right, I should contact John, sell my house, move to Australia and have the cars with me in a container ...

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Sun 23 Apr, 2017 8:52 pm

or itemize every part and sell it on ebay.de as Genuine :occasion5:

time for a deep thought session (aka Piss-up with car buddies) :occasion5:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Sun 23 Apr, 2017 11:08 pm

You're not in Germany soon, Joe? :laughing6: :laughing6: ... free stay at the five-star hotel in my house against some motor-consulting? :laughing6:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby John Green » Mon 24 Apr, 2017 11:40 pm

T-Modell wrote:You're not in Germany soon, Joe? :laughing6: :laughing6: ... free stay at the five-star hotel in my house against some motor-consulting? :laughing6:
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And what a fine house it is at that! Ship the car and a large deposit, we will sort it from there.
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Wed 03 May, 2017 10:33 pm

Hi guys,

one step ahead ... my "stealership", currently busy with dismantling a W100, 600 :laughing6: refused at first to start this job. They were just not sure, if they can do it. Well I had no alternative, so with a bit of "I'm a good customer with four cars"-pressure :laughing6: ... I got them to agree to give it a try. Monday, both cars will be shipped here and I will take it from there.

Cross your fingers and toes for me, that I might get some progress on getting that bloudy motor in there!

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P. S.: One big advantage: Instead of being 100kms away, it's a five-minute-drive ... that saves time and money too.
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby TheMadRacoon » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:03 pm

Good to hear your local stealership possesses such skills. I'm not confident that too many here would. Even my SLC was too old for an MB Bodyshop to (bother) looking at.

Hope to hear some positive news.

[Edit: hahaha.... I'd written stealership then changed it to stealership.... but the edit wouldn't take effect. Has thus been programmed into OzBenz ?]

[Edit 2... Yes, must be, because it automatically changed stealership to stealership in my first edit!!! Wonder if it will change it in edit 2 too?]
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:10 pm

Emad,

that's the political correctness algorithms here ... if you had written "Deelership" or "fugging" or "bloudy" (see above), it works ... let's try Deal er ship ... :laughing6:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby TheMadRacoon » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:34 pm

Fantastic. Big Brother at work. Or should that be Big John ?!
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Tue 09 May, 2017 12:50 am

So, short update,
cars have been delivered today ... Mercedes here had some "ohs" and "aaahs" regarding the complexity, but they will try and they had some first ideas. Now I have to give them a couple of days to think about it ... at least something! :occasion5:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby eddie » Wed 17 May, 2017 9:22 am

Awesome project Thomas, I suspect the news from Mercedes will be painful to the back pocket, but the end result will be worth it - the only 5.0L Mercedes ute in Germany, Stuttgart couldn't be more proud!!!
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Wed 17 May, 2017 7:17 pm

Hope the progress is more consistent for you now Thomas. I'm happy to send you beers in lieu of not being there in person to shout you a round.

I think you could probably do with a fridge full. :occasion5: because the only way to cope with the huge fees will be to remain in a state of permanent inebriation
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Wed 17 May, 2017 7:24 pm

Thanks guys,
of course the hourly rate is more expensive, but what counts in the end is the work result. It's like a cleaning helper; one for 10 $ is not necessarily cheaper than one for 20$ ... Performance is Work by Time :laughing6:

On top of that, MB here is really fair; I do have a lot of positive outcomes over the last 10 years. I'm even considering NOT shipping the cars to Poland; when it is here close-by, I have much more control over things and it doesn't take me 3 days to go there and back.

Today, 14:00hrs is the first meeting ... we'll see how we go. Stefan 6.9 was very helpful so far on the phone; I WANT to get this project done ... too much "heart blood" put into it (as we say in German)!

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Mercmad » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:38 pm

The sedan looks just like mine ! ... :laughing6: :laughing6:
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i bet yours has a floor in it though.
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby John Green » Sat 20 May, 2017 8:17 pm

TheMadRacoon wrote:Fantastic. Big Brother at work. Or should that be Big John ?!


Maybe..... :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby eddie » Mon 22 May, 2017 5:18 pm

Hey Thomas, any updates?? the suspense is killing me!!
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Mon 22 May, 2017 6:02 pm

Hi guys,
it's a bit frustrating. I'm just not sure anymore, if it is possible at all. My last hope is Stefan (450SLC 6.9) who is so nice to come next Monday to see if we can solve that transplant. We found out last week, that the "super specialists before" swapped the motor supports from left to right ... the reason, why the oil pan clashed with the axle :banghead: ... I'm so pissed about them, those "experts".

I fully trust MB here and Stefan; so next Monday I know more. Otherwise, this project is stopped and I can cry about a lot of money lost. However for experimental reasons, I printed two plates for positioning the motor ... we'll see, if it works:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Tue 23 May, 2017 10:46 pm

Thomas,

Stefan is the go-to guy for sure. While you're at it, maybe a stealth installation of Autronic SM4 instead of D-Jet? more power, cleaner emissions etc. Stefan has experience with this ECU on his cars also.

It's looking very promising and I agree it's far better to be close to your project - there is nothing worse than being too far away from it, when you want to check on something small or take a measurement etc.

Please show us some pictures when you can - I know it's probably not much right now, but I'm also secretly keen to see how nice the inside of MB workshop is over there as opposed to here ;)

cheers!
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Mercmad » Wed 24 May, 2017 11:19 am

you need an SL oil pan to clear the front axle. It's about 50mm shorter in the lower part so it clears OK. i have one here for a 450SL/SLC if you cant find one ... but i think the wreckers in Belgium would be your best bet, Marc VanDeVelde keeps a good stock of really old merc parts on hand. http://www.autopartsvandevelde.be/nl/classic-cars-lokeren

PS, you will also need the oil filter housing from a 107 V8 which points the filter upwards to clear the axle and get access to the filter.
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Mercmad » Wed 24 May, 2017 11:23 am

Mercmad wrote:The sedan looks just like mine ! ... :laughing6: :laughing6:
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i bet yours has a floor in it though.

BTW, this was a W115 220 automatic, but it now has a 250 M114 with fourspeed manual. The raised rear is because the shock shafts are rusty and when I was driving it they stuck and it stayed up in the air. The W115 diff gives v8 like performance.... :think: :think: :snooty:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Wed 24 May, 2017 6:01 pm

Mercmad wrote:you need an SL oil pan to clear the front axle. It's about 50mm shorter in the lower part so it clears OK. i have one here for a 450SL/SLC if you cant find one ... but i think the wreckers in Belgium would be your best bet, Marc VanDeVelde keeps a good stock of really old merc parts on hand. http://www.autopartsvandevelde.be/nl/classic-cars-lokeren

PS, you will also need the oil filter housing from a 107 V8 which points the filter upwards to clear the axle and get access to the filter.


Ron,
you've written that already two years ago and thanks to your valuable tips I purchased a much more expensive R107 pre-facelift 1983 500SL (just refer back to page 1 here) ... so the oil pan is not the problem. I will report on Monday. Core problems are to clear the steering in height and left/right, manifolds and connection to the rear axle.

Best regards and thanks
Thomas

P. S.: My W115 donor car is (was) also a 220 Automatic
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby AMG » Thu 25 May, 2017 5:13 pm

You may find that LHD w116 manifolds will fit better, and the down section of the header can be cut and welded, may require a wedge section of the pipe removed and flange rotated slightly to clear the steering box.

Similar to fitting in a w123.
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 12:37 am

Thanks guys,
but at the moment no manifold fits. Monday Stefan was here and we had a "creative" hour together with my Mercedes Mechanic. We try to sort out this and meanwhile I have to find out, where I lost that bucket of money I thought I had ... :laughing6:

I think at Mercedes here I already earned the title "most crazy customer" ... they all have this strange look on their faces ... a mixture of "shaking their head with eyebrows raised" and "pity" ...

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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby maddin » Thu 08 Jun, 2017 9:49 pm

T-Modell wrote:I think at Mercedes here I already earned the title "most crazy customer" ... they all have this strange look on their faces ... a mixture of "shaking their head with eyebrows raised" and "pity" ...

No no....it's an expression of utmost admiration !
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:57 pm

Hi guys,

a short update ... after some time. Putting a V8 in a W115 is NOT an easy thing - as I was told here. With an enormous help from Mercmad here and Stefan 6.9 we created ideas of what to do. Tomorrow I have my "work experience day" at the lokal Mercedes dealer, so I'm "allowed" to work a full day with their experienced guy in their workshop ... I think that's pretty special these days. So hopefully tomorrow night we have an idea for how to place that motor, so it fits and doesn't collide with other stuff ... I'll report.

Rough calculation is now around three times what I had hoped for :notworthy: ... I had a few sleepless nights thinking about to stop and - as we say in German - "not throw good money after bad money" ... the problem is, that I have put too much heart into it already ...

Anyway, best regards
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby Bartman4800 » Wed 21 Jun, 2017 12:31 pm

Maybe it's cheaper to buy a return ticket for Ron? :blackeye:
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Re: W115 Ute Project starts ...

Postby T-Modell » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 4:23 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:Maybe it's cheaper to buy a return ticket for Ron? :blackeye:


Guess what I thought about already? :laughing6: ... at least a little progress yesterday ... the rear axle is in ... also not plug and play as "I was told", but we got some ideas and made it. Today part II ...

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