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Cibie Super Oscar install

Post by Greg in Oz » Mon 12 Jul, 2010 11:31 pm

Perhaps this should have been given the title "Let there be light" as on high beam I now have 640 Watts of it :shock: :twisted: 8)

Since I have owned the 500SLC homologation rally car, I have had a desire to recreate some of the look of the original cars as rallied in 1978 to 1980 by MB. The trick has been to do any mods in such a way as to allow them to be completely reversible right down to not drilling a single hole in the car. One such mod has been to fit driving lights.

The search for suitable lights started a couple of years ago. Most of the later 5 litre SLC rally cars ran four Cibie Super Oscars so these were my first choice. New ones are still available at over $400 a pair and, apart from being expensive, these unfortunately have housings and lense surrounds finished in black. The earlier units from the 1970s had light grey housings and chromed lense surrounds so these are what I really wanted. Second hand units were the the only choice so an eBay search with email notification was set up. Every so often one or two would turn up but were often bid up to silly prices due to the popularity of these still-effective lights. I suspect the early units with chrome are also popular for others building up classic rally cars. I eventually one a pair on eBay and soon after found a second pair however the eBay seller then refused to sell them to me. Some time later I won another pair so I then had four however they needed some repairs and repainting so I put them aside until time became available.

With my eBay search and notification still active, I was attracted to an auction for another pair listed as unused new old stock still in their original boxes. These looked perfect and had the chrome and light grey finish I wanted. After some healthy bidding, they were mine. Not cheap but slightly less than a pair of the current model. No sooner had they been delivered, the same seller listed two more. I just had to have these as well and won them for somewhat less than the other pair. I was even happier when I realised that not only did I have four Super Oscars with the correct appearance, they were date marked 1979 which put them at exactly the period of the factory rally cars and period correct for my car. They even had the correct plastic covers with the "Cibie Iode Projecteurs" markings rather than simply "Cibie" like the current models. The factory rally cars however had what appeared to be black vinyl contact covering the markings on the covers, and I am undecided if I will cover mine in the same way.

I next devoted some thought about how to mount them without drilling holes in the car. An easily removable mounting bar was the only way to go but would involve some time and effort. Various distractions meant that the project stalled and it was only about a week back that I decided that I would have to brave the cold at night to get the project moving again. The challenge was to have it all up and going in time for the Mountain Rally which was run on the weekend just passed. I achieved that goal... just. I had them mounted with the paint on bar barely dry on Friday night. The wiring job was only temporary but they were at least working.

The bar mounts quickly and easily on two brackets which in turn mount using the existing bolts into the rear of the front bumper bar. To remove the bar the wiring is unplugged and two bolts are removed and the bar lifts off without even disturbing the aim of the lights. Less than a five minute job. The only apsect requiring a bit more thought is that whilst the bar and brackets are very rigid, there is some movement in the car's bumper bar brackets. This allows the lights and front bumper to all wobble a bit as a unit. It was common to see large driving lights like these with steady straps at the top, however on the 107 there is only the grille which opens with the bonnet behind the lights making it difficult to mount steady straps. I am also reluctant to drill into my new old stock lights to mount steadies. More thought required.

Anyway, enough talk. Here's the result.
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Re: Cibie Super Oscar install

Post by Greg in Oz » Mon 12 Jul, 2010 11:42 pm

This is how it looked in the light of day at the Mountain Rally the following day.
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Re: Cibie Super Oscar install

Post by Greg in Oz » Mon 12 Jul, 2010 11:54 pm

I forgot to mention, the mounting bar extends to almost the full width of the front bumper to make provision to mount headlight protection screens.

For those unfamiliar with the factory rally cars with Super Oscars, here's some photos...
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107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
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Re: Cibie Super Oscar install

Post by Michel » Tue 13 Jul, 2010 8:28 am

Awesome looking.

How do you handle the extra current required.
Surely your battery will go flat in no time (even with the engine running)
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Post by Greg in Oz » Tue 13 Jul, 2010 2:06 pm

Thanks Michel, and fair comment about the amount of extra current needed for the lights, however the battery will only go "flat" if you ultimately take more energy out than what you put in.

It comes down to the length of time the driving lights will be in use and the duty cycle of their use. Remember that the battery is an energy reservoir and you can take energy out for a period of time so long as you replace it again. For my application, all the lights will only ever be on continuously for maybe tens of minutes at a time with a duty cycle of not much more than maybe 50%. On this basis the lighting load of a little over 50A plus the rest of the car's electrical load at up to say 20A, means that an alternator delivering around 55A should be able to manage it OK. The battery will lose a small amount of charge whilst all the lights are in use but will be topped up again when the driving lights are off. Obviously if my application required the lights to be lit for very long periods continuously, a larger alternator would be a sensible choice.

Back in the days when I was involved in forest rallying, a general rule of thumb was that a 55A alternator was a safe minimum for a forest rally car running four 100W driving lights (such as Cibie Oscars or Super Oscars). Those rallies would typically see night stages of up to maybe an hour in length with the driving lights lit for most of it. I will have to check the size of the alternator in the 500SLC. My 350SLC has a 55A unit so that in the 500SLC will be at least this size and may even be larger.

Even without the engine (and alternator) running, a reasonably healthy battery should be able to keep all these lights running for at least half an hour before there would be concerns about the remaining charge in the battery. With the engine running this time will be considerably longer. Long periods of daylight driving in the events I run also means that the electrical system gets long periods with minimal load allowing the battery to achieve a state of full charge. I also ensure I always leave home with the battery fully charged before these events. We often see sub zero temperatures for the cold start in the mornings of these rallies so a healthy battery is required.

Classic rallies are usually all daylight events so most of my use for the lights will be getting to and from the events. You may have also noticed I have initially chosen to run four spread beams rather than a mixture of spreads and spots (or just spots). This setup means the outer pair of driving lights can be angled well outwards to allow hazards such as wildlife off the side of the road to be seen rather than just the road itself. We get to see plenty of kangaroos, wombats, echidnas, cattle and even deer on these events and I consider hitting one of these to be one of the greatest hazards of classic rallying. A broad spread of light is also useful on twisty roads.

Apart from the functional use of the lights, remember that for me they are also something of an indulgence just to recreate the period look of the factory rally SLCs. My 500SLC has been generating a lot of interest at classic rallies for both the way it looks and the way it goes out on the great drivers' roads chosen for these events. Car enthusiasts are always interested in hearing of the successful but brief rally history of the 5 litre SLC.

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201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
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Post by Notso Swift » Wed 14 Jul, 2010 2:04 pm

We always used 80 amp alts
Not 100% sure about NSW but in VIctoria (and I thought it was Aus wide) it is illegal to have more than 6 forward facing lights.
I do believe you are OK if they are covered
What most guys do is cover the "normal" high beams with black contact ( and pull the plug) and have the highs on the outer spots
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Post by AMG » Wed 14 Jul, 2010 6:48 pm

Notso Swift wrote:We always used 80 amp alts
Not 100% sure about NSW but in VIctoria (and I thought it was Aus wide) it is illegal to have more than 6 forward facing lights.
I do believe you are OK if they are covered
What most guys do is cover the "normal" high beams with black contact ( and pull the plug) and have the highs on the outer spots
Must be a Vic thing, because in QLD there are certainly no shortage of landbruisers and p-trolls running more than 6 front facing lights.

Given the car has historic rego, I'm also inclined to believe that this does not apply.
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Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 15 Jul, 2010 12:04 am

Notso Swift wrote:We always used 80 amp alts
Not 100% sure about NSW but in VIctoria (and I thought it was Aus wide) it is illegal to have more than 6 forward facing lights.
I do believe you are OK if they are covered
What most guys do is cover the "normal" high beams with black contact ( and pull the plug) and have the highs on the outer spots
80A alternator would probably be needed if the lights were going to be used for very extended periods however in my application they won't be. I have yet to look to see what size mine is but whatever it is it coped fine, even with the undersized and now ageing battery that was fitted to the car just to sell it at auction where I purchased it almost four years ago.

I am not aware of any law regarding the number of forward facing lights in NSW although that's not to say one doesn't exist. It certainly didn't attract any attention from a police car that passed me from the opposite direction on the weekend, although I had the covers fitted during the day. Back in the days when I was involved in forest rallying (late 1970s to early 1980s), there didn't appear to be any problem with rally cars such as Datsun 1600s with four headlights plus four driving lights. These cars were even on full registration. As Joe states, my car is only on historic plates. The lighting bar which is fitted simply with two bolts will only be fitted for those few occasions each year where it is appropriate.

Given that high beam cannot be used with oncoming traffic, I can't understand any common sense reason why there would be a problem with any number of forward facing lights (but then many laws related to cars and drivers don't have much to do with common sense). With oncoming traffic you are only allowed two low beams to be lit. Mind you, there is also a law stating that fog lights cannot be lit unless weather conditions (ie. fog) require their use. This doesn't seem to stop large numbers driving around built up areas on clear nights with both low beams and fog lights lit. More often than not the police seem to ignore this too.
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201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
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Post by Notso Swift » Thu 15 Jul, 2010 11:14 am

Yeah I had a 1600, with a set of 4 cibie the standard inners are partially obscured anyway. We would have high low outers, then the inners would only switch on when the high was on as well as the toggle
In vic it is a requirement that the cars remain road worthy, regardless of the rego class, and you wouldn't even get through Scruit if you had more than 6 lights. Of course Historic events under a touring permit may be a bit more lax (though not HRA events)
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Re: Cibie Super Oscar install

Post by Giles » Thu 15 Jul, 2010 12:32 pm

Nice work Greg.

Now you'll have to paint the car Astral Silver, black out the bonnet, seek some sponsorship and fang it around the countryside. :lol: :lol: :lol:

But not so seriously, to stop the light wobble, do what all rally teams use when the gaffa tape has run out, use a couple of seriously over sized cable ties. They are cheap, expendible, and you don't have to drill any holes. Don't knock until you've tried it. They may not be MB factory approved but they work.

Do you still have those other unwanted, discarded, rejected Oscar's left? It's high time to replace dodgy part-timers.

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Post by Greg in Oz » Fri 16 Jul, 2010 12:43 am

Giles,

As previously promised, I'm holding them for you. I will email you in the coming days to discuss more about the mounting bar and discuss what you need.

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124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
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Post by Giles » Fri 16 Jul, 2010 7:07 pm

Greg in Oz wrote:Giles,

As previously promised, I'm holding them for you. I will email you in the coming days to discuss more about the mounting bar and discuss what you need.

Greg
Many thanks Greg, but when it comes to desired parts I can only hold my breath for so long....... :!:

Looking forward to your email.

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Post by TargaSL » Wed 21 Jul, 2010 12:26 pm

You guys are out authenticating me

i believe that the Aussies are some of the best Merc racing enthusiasts anywhere. Of course the SLC racing guys are the deep end of the pool but you guys make me proud to be involved in the old Merc racer scene

I would like to know more about the Kosciusko thing. could that be an event where we can all get together and show off the Der Panzervagen glamor?

There is also the Targa High country coming up in November. We should be getting out to that one (if i can keep a gearbox alive for more than 1 event !!

do you guys know about Sel450? and the Tassy guy
http://www.targa.org.au/Competitors/pro ... %20Classic

We have just done the springs AGAIN
we think it was the stress from the V8 supercar brakes (Bathurst grade gear) that collapsed the springs
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Post by Fotografa » Wed 21 Jul, 2010 2:10 pm

TargaSL wrote:You guys are out authenticating me

i believe that the Aussies are some of the best Merc racing enthusiasts anywhere. Of course the SLC racing guys are the deep end of the pool but you guys make me proud to be involved in the old Merc racer scene

I would like to know more about the Kosciusko thing. could that be an event where we can all get together and show off the Der Panzervagen glamor?

There is also the Targa High country coming up in November. We should be getting out to that one (if i can keep a gearbox alive for more than 1 event !!

do you guys know about Sel450? and the Tassy guy
http://www.targa.org.au/Competitors/pro ... %20Classic

We have just done the springs AGAIN
we think it was the stress from the V8 supercar brakes (Bathurst grade gear) that collapsed the springs
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There is another 107 racecar in the pipelines at the moment, too.

I'm helping a friend with a 1974 450SLC (that he got for free because I bought it and kept the interior, and he kept the rest of the car), that is being built with a 560 driveline, that is going to be used for th iRace series. http://www.irace.net.au/

Whether it comes to fruition is another thing, but I'll do what i can to get it there.
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Post by TargaSL » Wed 21 Jul, 2010 2:27 pm

which class in the IRace is it destined for?
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Post by Fotografa » Wed 21 Jul, 2010 2:31 pm

For some insane reason he wanted to do the Touring Car Challenge. I'm pretty sure I've convinced him to do the Muscle Division.

Under the rules, he could get away with dropping a Chrysler engine in there, but not a Chev, although he wants to stick with an MB drivetrain.

I have a feeling he'll be racing for fun, not wins.
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Post by TargaSL » Wed 21 Jul, 2010 3:10 pm

Fotografa wrote:For some insane reason he wanted to do the Touring Car Challenge. I'm pretty sure I've convinced him to do the Muscle Division.

Under the rules, he caould get away with dropping a chrysler engine in there, but not a chev, although he wants to stick with an MB drivetrain.

I have a feeling he'll be racing for fun, not wins.
Muscle car looks the go but it is North
alas i am south and heading souther (Tassy)
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Post by SELfor50 » Tue 10 Aug, 2010 11:52 pm

Only just saw this.... been offline a bit.

Great install of the new lighting. All you need is a set facing backwards too for those a-hole drivers that rear up now and again.

How often are there night-time leg's in the classic rallies? It'd be great fun (albeit very carefull fun in the dark) to do a stint at night.


On a side note, that iRace thing looks like a good cup Fotografa.. first i've seen of it. Notice first round was Oran Park this year, sadly it won't be next year. :cry:

Who's building the 560 powered SLC?? Is it someone on ozbenz? Keen to hear more about that.

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Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 12 Aug, 2010 1:36 am

TargaSL wrote:I would like to know more about the Kosciusko thing. could that be an event where we can all get together and show off the Der Panzervagen glamor?
Targa SL,

The "Kosciuszko thing" was the "Kosciuszko Classic", just one of numerous events on the Classic Rally Club's calendar this year. For all the events see http://www.classicrallyclub.com.au/calendar.htm . The Kosciuszko only appears on the calendar every few years with that slot in the calendar usually occupied by the "Riverina Run". Elsewhere on OzBenz I have often discussed the Jaguar Mountain Rally which is another annual event on the CRC calendar.

All these events are classic rallies or technically "touring road events" or "touring assemblies". They are held on open roads and therefore normal road rules and speed limits apply. All events except the "Alpine Classic" are untimed and even the Alpine is not on closed roads. It simply adds the extra challenge of booking into controls neither late nor early.

These events are quite different to closed events like Targa Tasmania. They are all about enjoying classic cars on roads chosen to allow a "spirited drive" whilst staying within the law. They also offer navigational challenges in the form of map reading navigation for those so inclined. Serious navigational skills are needed at "masters" level and slightly less so at "apprentices" level. For those wanting fully route charted navigational instructions there is the "tour" category. To be able enter these events you simply need to be a member of a CAMS affiliated car club and at "masters" or "apprentices" level you will need a minimum CAMS 2NS licence. Usually at "tour" level a CAMS licence is not required.

In addition to appearing on the Classic Rally Club's calendar, some of these events also appear on the calendar of Thornleigh Car Club, another club of which I am a member. TCC is a motorsport club and offers a range of events including supersprints, hill climbs, forest rallies (closed gravel rallies at speed), khanacross, motorkhana and the classic rallies mentioned above. TCC was the first club I joined over 30 years ago and back then I competed in most events in my 1972 Mini Clubman GT except for forest rallies where I navigated for a few others, usually in the favoured rally car of the day, the Datsun 1600.

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SELfor50 wrote:How often are there night-time leg's in the classic rallies? It'd be great fun (albeit very carefull fun in the dark) to do a stint at night.

Who's building the 560 powered SLC?? Is it someone on ozbenz? Keen to hear more about that.
SELfor50,

The CRC events are usually daylight events although the Australian Historic Rally Group (AHRG) run some night events. Over the years, many TCC touring assemblies have also been run at night. I initially purchased the Cibies with a view to possibly building an SLC rally car, either with my 350SLC or a replica of the factory 5 litre SLCs. I am now enjoying my 500SLC so much that I have shelved any plans for a dedicated rally car. The 500SLC is however too original and rare to permanently modify. I decided that the four Cibies would still give it a nice period look of the factory rally cars and it is simple to fit and remove them as required. Even if the event itself is all daylight, the extra lights are still handy for the often long drive to and from the event which will be on the open road in the dark.

The 560 powered SLC is being built by a member of this forum. I'm not sure if he still plans to complete it so I will leave it to him to say any more.

Greg
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Cibie Super Oscar install

Post by Fotografa » Thu 12 Aug, 2010 9:47 am

Greg in Oz wrote:
The 560 powered SLC is being built by a member of this forum. I'm not sure if he still plans to complete it so I will leave it to him to say any more.

Greg
Greg, I think we might be talking about two different people building a 560 powered SLC. I think I know who you are thinking of, and the car I am thinking of is the same colour, but I don't know if Reg is a member of this forum.
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Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 12 Aug, 2010 12:05 pm

No, I wasn't thinking of Reg. I didn't know his is silver or that he is fitting a 5.6
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Post by Fotografa » Thu 12 Aug, 2010 12:18 pm

Greg in Oz wrote:No, I wasn't thinking of Reg. I didn't know his is silver or that he is fitting a 5.6
he is planning to, but I'm not sure what the final outcome will be.
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Children that have left home:
1973 R107 450SL Icon Gold
1974 C107 450SLC Black
1971 W114 230 Arctic White
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Re: Cibie Super Oscar install

Post by Greg in Oz » Sat 08 Jun, 2013 12:44 am

Well, it's been almost 3 years since I started this topic and I have made a few minor modifications to my light installation and also completed some aspects of the job that had only been "temporary" for quite some time.

The first change I made was to add a couple of bars above the front bumper between the lighting bar and some existing screws behind the grille to prevent most of the wobble of the lighting bar.
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107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
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Post by Greg in Oz » Sat 08 Jun, 2013 12:51 am

The next change was to add protection for all the lights. The four Cibie Super Oscars each have a clear polycarbonate cover in front of their lens retained simply by clear polymer sealant. The concave lenses of the Cibies means the polycabonate has clearance from the glass. For the headlights I had originally intended to fit wire mesh screens as used on the factory rally cars back in the late 1970s and 1980. I instead ended up fitting clear polycarbonate which not only extends above the lighting bar to protect the headlights but also extends below the lighting bar to protect the fog lights.
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107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Post by Greg in Oz » Sat 08 Jun, 2013 1:24 am

The final job was to install better wiring with switches and relays to allow the additional lights to be individually controlled (the temporary wiring had the Cibies work together with the high beams).

I now have three switches on the underside the blinker / high-low beam stalk. I looked for a suitable location inside the car for the the switches and under the stalk was about the only spot I could find that wouldn't get in the way of something else. I also wanted to keep to my policy of not drilling any holes in the car and for the installation to be completely reversible.

One switch controls the inner pair of Cibies and another switch controls the outer pair. If I told you what the third switch does I'd have to kill you.

I have also wired the relays in such a way that a maximum of six lights can be on at one time, just in case that is a legal requirement (was discussed in an earlier post in this topic). With all the Cibies off the four headlights can operate as high beams. With a single pair of either pair of Cibies on, all four headlights will be alight on high beam. If all four Cibies are on, the inner pair of headlights will go off leaving just the outer headlights alight on high beam.

The relays are mounted on a panel which in turn mounts using an existing screw above the ABS unit (forward of the screen washer reservoir). Power is supplied via a 40A fuse fitted to what was a vacant fuse holder in the auxilliary fuse box near the coolant reservoir.

To allow easy removal of the lighting bar, a heavy duty 3-pin plug and socket near the fuses is simply unplugged before removing two bolts under the front bumper and the two smaller screws behind the grille.

The driving lights always get plenty of attention at classic rallies and the whole installation has turned out to be very neat and can be removed from the car easily should I ever wish to return the car to factory originality.
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107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Post by ansteadeh » Sat 08 Jun, 2013 7:55 am

That wiring, relay and switching job is a great credit to you Greg. Well..... The whole car actually.

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Post by Greg in Oz » Sat 08 Jun, 2013 11:07 pm

ansteadeh wrote:That wiring, relay and switching job is a great credit to you Greg. Well..... The whole car actually.
Thanks! The challenge for me (and especially so with my rare 500SLC) is to be able to tastefully personalise it, but in a way that is completely reversible so as to be able to return the car to factory originality when or if the need arises. Working in the electrical/electronic engineering field means I have no excuse for untidy electrical installations.
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Cibie Super Oscar install

Post by Greg in Oz » Fri 01 Nov, 2013 12:21 am

Greg in Oz wrote:The final job was to install better wiring with switches and relays to allow the additional lights to be individually controlled (the temporary wiring had the Cibies work together with the high beams).

I now have three switches on the underside the blinker / high-low beam stalk. I looked for a suitable location inside the car for the the switches and under the stalk was about the only spot I could find that wouldn't get in the way of something else. I also wanted to keep to my policy of not drilling any holes in the car and for the installation to be completely reversible.

One switch controls the inner pair of Cibies and another switch controls the outer pair. If I told you what the third switch does I'd have to kill you.

I have also wired the relays in such a way that a maximum of six lights can be on at one time, just in case that is a legal requirement (was discussed in an earlier post in this topic). With all the Cibies off the four headlights can operate as high beams. With a single pair of either pair of Cibies on, all four headlights will be alight on high beam. If all four Cibies are on, the inner pair of headlights will go off leaving just the outer headlights alight on high beam.

The relays are mounted on a panel which in turn mounts using an existing screw above the ABS unit (forward of the screen washer reservoir). Power is supplied via a 40A fuse fitted to what was a vacant fuse holder in the auxilliary fuse box near the coolant reservoir.

To allow easy removal of the lighting bar, a heavy duty 3-pin plug and socket near the fuses is simply unplugged before removing two bolts under the front bumper and the two smaller screws behind the grille.

The driving lights always get plenty of attention at classic rallies and the whole installation has turned out to be very neat and can be removed from the car easily should I ever wish to return the car to factory originality.
No one took the bait as to the function of the third auxilliary lighting switch when I wrote "If I told you what the third switch does I'd have to kill you". For a hint and if you want to have a guess, look at the photos in the post at viewtopic.php?f=13&t=15989#p128791 and tell me what you think it is.
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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