A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

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A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

Post by Al Zheimer » Mon 03 May, 2010 9:44 am

Whats the consensus on these shopping trolleys?

I am always coming across A classes for sale with transmission problems.
It seems to me there is an inherent fault as a lot are low km cars with only 30 70k on the clock.

Ive heard theres problems with the solenoids on the trans and cracked clutch packs? or something.
Ive driven some with bad shudder at take off, and some pack up altogether throwing fault codes for the trans.

How much time is involved in dropping the trans to access these parts? what sort of cost is involved ie labour and Parts?.

Im beginning to form the opinion that these mercs are lemons , or am i wrong?

Is an a class A160 with 36k on the clock worth 1500-2000 nzd with a trans fault? (mint cond in every other respect)

These type of problems are just reaffiming my growing suspicion of hi tech multi computer modern mercs.

Thanks in advance

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Re: A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

Post by Hendrik » Mon 03 May, 2010 8:26 pm

Yep, complete rubbish.
Rather have a 201 to use superglue on.
Never owned one, never will.
You want a good MB that doesn't use a lot of fuel buy a 124 300D.
http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/merced ... ss/r98788/
Having a dealer come across and buy the car back confirms just how bad some of the early A class tippers where.

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Re: A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 03 May, 2010 10:01 pm

Something else to look forward to - see this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=68&t=10282

Hendrik is a little bit over the top in his comments - not by far though.

A class = not the best of models. They work o.k. in the markets they were designed for. The small cities, low speed driving of Europe.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
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Re: A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

Post by Al Zheimer » Tue 04 May, 2010 11:36 am

thanks for the replies, dont hold back Hendrick!
I would have no objections to a w124 diesel , they dont have computers do they?!!

On the comment that they are fine for euro driving in citys....surely living in europe would mean a lot of inter country travelling as major cities are so close.The whole point about having a car in europe would be for inter country excursions as public transport in europe is norm excellant.

I picked up a brand new fiat punto ( 6speed 60hp!) rental in munich 2 years ago , it was all of 1.2 or 1.3 cc i think, i punted that puny punto all over austria, slovenia,croatia & italy , i felt sorry for the puny little thing as it struggled at 180kms with one 100kg driver so my limit was 160- 170kms on the beautiful new autobahns thru slovenia and croatia (unbelievable driving thru there )
Roads were so good , and such a waste driving them in my little italian pasta maker, though it did it all on a smell of an oily rag...5.5l/100k ..40 mpg from memory .The 14.3 second 0-100km was so sad i almost cried as im used to 5.3....

it even handled carrying 5 huge 100 - 130 kg bball players all over 6ft 5 to the local pubs , thats almost 600kg of weight, and the car handled it very well.

Yet the thought of driving a mercedes A class whether its a 160 or a 190 with far more pwer to weight than the fiat thru the same trip would terrify me knowing what i know now about these cars.Id put money on the trans packing up inder the same strains i put that fiat under.I just wouldnt rent one , that simple.give me the puny punto anyday..how sad is that?
the electric power steer also gives me the sh..ts tho fiat has a similiar setup too.

Mercedes should be ashamed of themselves making such crap.
is there anyone out there that has positive comment about these toys??

Maybe we should moot the idea of a separate categorary on this forum warning members of models to stay away from.
`Merc lemons to run a mile from' category

cheers

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Re: A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

Post by John Green » Tue 04 May, 2010 10:02 pm

The fault with the early A class autos is that the $10.00 circlip that holds the 1st gear clutch pack together breaks and then distroys the rest of the transmssion. I have one in the shop with 56000kms and no first gear. Total disaster, the dealer will only quote on complete unit replacement as repair is a difficult option. Steer clear is the message....
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Post by DBW124 » Tue 17 Aug, 2010 7:25 pm

John Green wrote:The fault with the early A class autos is that the $10.00 circlip that holds the 1st gear clutch pack together breaks and then distroys the rest of the transmssion. I have one in the shop with 56000kms and no first gear. Total disaster, the dealer will only quote on complete unit replacement as repair is a difficult option. Steer clear is the message....
Was this fixed on the First Generation, or not until the new model?
W124 E 280

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Post by John Green » Tue 17 Aug, 2010 8:15 pm

W169 A class seams to be OK.
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Re: A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 17 Aug, 2010 10:34 pm

Experince from the U.K. has also shown
(a) that the trans fluid needs to be changed quite often.
(b) In really wet conditions water ingress has been a problem
(c) There are seals on the electronic control area that break down quite early. This leads to transmission fluid getting into the circuit board of the controller and failure.

Some people get a lot of useful kilometers out of their A classes. Unfortunately the percentage of failures is enough to giv3e the warning as John mentioned : Steer Clear.
If the transmission fails the remedy is often more expensive than the car is worth.

Be wary of many of those A classes on feabay. There is often small print right at the bottom of the listing - "small problem with transmission". Or the problem is not mentioned at all.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
W201 190e 2.6 (ex U.K.)

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Re: A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

Post by DBW124 » Sat 21 Aug, 2010 9:59 am

I've been driving past one for several months that has "Make an offer" on the windscreen.
W124 E 280

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Re: A class transmissions = lemon? Q for J.G

Post by MB300D81 » Tue 24 Aug, 2010 8:51 pm

My wife's A160 1998 seems to be generally relaible.

It has done near 170.000kms and it does not use or leak any fluids at all.
We have used this car for over four years and it is on the road every day doing many short and long trips.

Two minor things we experienced with this car. They are normal in my opinion.
The crank polly splited and got replaced together with the drive belt. Thanks to MBspares for the great service.
The starter motor gave up which is also normal for any car However, to get to the starter motor the engine had to come down.

While the engine was down on the subframe I replaced the flywheel and the clutch disc.

Since then, the car is always on the road daily.
These cars are fast and nice to park anywhere.

I do not think they are Lemon but they may need different style of caring or they are not as forgiving as other mercs.

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