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refurbishing stock wheels

Post by GTI4DR » Thu 11 Mar, 2010 6:49 pm

Hi All,
I recently got my hands on a clapped out 126 380sel which came with some original mb "mexican hat" wheels.

What would be the best way to refurbish them? Most of the dirt/grime will come off with a bit of elbow grease but is there a certain type of ebrasive pad i could use to flat them back and respray...

Which leads me to my next question... What is the original colour code for the wheels or are they just a primer grey colour?

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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by AMG » Fri 12 Mar, 2010 12:32 am

I'm not sure what you mean, but the car came with disc-style hubcaps, bundt-cake or 15-hole alloys depending on the MY & designation.

I think you may be referring to the bundt rims, a 14" rim which looks like a bundt cake tin (hence the name)

they are finished in silver. Wurth make the correct colour in an aerosol can and it can be used to touch up or respray a whole rim

might help if you attach a pic so we can confirm the rims are the same things
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2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 12 Mar, 2010 9:23 am

Bundt's are referred to as Mexican hats in many foreign forums.

There is a place in Coburg that refurbishes alloy wheels - not cheap though.

Alloy wheels were an outrageously expensive option when these cars were new. Only every third car had the alloy wheels opted on.

When the 15 hole wheels came out in the series II W126's only the 560's got them as standard. - in fact 15 hole wheels they were referred to as 560 wheels.

After market wheels were being sold in large numbers ( I bought a set of 15 hole after markets for my 380SE - they were $2,000 with tyres - a tidy sum of money back in 1989).
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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by kaiser » Fri 12 Mar, 2010 12:26 pm

There are a million posts online about this.

I did mine a while back, had them all stripped then repainted in Primer, then 735 Astral Silver, and clear-coated.

I have been told though that MB 9700 is the correct original colour.
9700 = original factory finish
9735 = recommended repair/refinishing paint

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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by AMG » Fri 12 Mar, 2010 4:17 pm

or you could polish them...
Stella + 911 027.JPG
maybe even chrome plate them and join the bling club. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by kaiser » Fri 12 Mar, 2010 4:23 pm

or you could not... :lol:
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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by Giles » Fri 12 Mar, 2010 5:47 pm

JoeB wrote:or you could polish them...
Stella + 911 027.JPG
maybe even chrome plate them and join the bling club. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now if you go to that much trouble, you'd think to chrome the lug bolts.

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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 12 Mar, 2010 6:44 pm

JoeB wrote:or you could polish them...

maybe even chrome plate them and join the bling club. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Will we add chromed wheels to the poll on Chrome wheel arch covers? :lol:
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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by Greg in Oz » Fri 12 Mar, 2010 6:53 pm

If you are prepared to put in many hours of work, you can make a good job of refinishing alloy wheels yourself. To date I have refinished a set of five 15 hole (flat-faced) Sportline (7" x 15") wheels for the 300TE, two sets of similar Sportline (7" x 15") wheels for the 190E, two of the similar late 107/126 (7" x 15") wheels that I ran on the 350SLC prior to fitting the 8" x 16" AMG Pentas, and most recently the 7" x 15" bundt wheels for the 500SLC.

In each instance I first carefully filed away any kerb rash from the rim lips. Obviously this won't repair any major damage but is effective for minor kerb rash. Next I thoroughly cleaned the wheels inside and out. This can be the most time consuming part of the job especially if there is years of baked-on brake dust, tar and road grime, especially in the holes of 15 hole wheels. From memory, the Sportline wheels for the 300TE required the equivalent of a full weekend just to clean them. Avoid the temptation to attack stubborn brake dust with something like a screwdriver. You will scratch the surface and the new paint won't hide the scratches. You are better off using multiple applications of a strong chemical cleaner such as "Alkasteam" (caustic) and a scrubbing brush, nail brush and mag wheel brush.

I don't bother sanding the wheels, again to avoid the risk of scratches. If you have wheels where some of the paint has lifted leaving an edge at the remaining paint, you will have no option other than to carefully feather these edges with a fine grade paper. If you leave these edges the new paint won't hide them.

Immediately before painting, I wipe the wheels over with thinners or a wax and grease remover. This is to ensure the new paint will adhere to the old. Some may argue that the old paint will not be sufficient key for the new paint without complete sanding or stripping, however I have not found this to be the case. The first wheels I painted are still going well after more than 10 years of use and cleaning with chemical cleaners.

The final step is the painting. For this I have simply used pressure packs of metallic silver paint intended for use on wheels. Originally I was buying one labeled "Silver Wheels" by Power Plus however from memory I couldn't find this for the last set I did (the 15" bundts for the 500SLC). I have found that any of the paints I have used have been a very close colour match to the original paint. I choose a nice warm sunny day for painting and apply two or three coats of the silver followed by another two or three coats of a "clear over base" from a pressure pack can intended for small repairs to car panels. I then leave the wheels in the sun to "bake" dry.

Whilst the results won't quite match an expensive professional job, the results can be very satisfactory and the cost is minimal (depending how you value your own time). My results have been good enough to achieve awards in concours (including class wins in the 300TE which made its way into the champions class one year). It was only when a judge really studied the wheels carefully on the 300TE one year (presumably attempting to break a tie) that he asked me if it was the original paint on the wheels. I asked if he could tell me.

Checking through photos on my computer, I don't have any really good ones of the flat-faced 15 hole wheels, but I have attached one showing one of the 300TE wheels. I have also attached some of the 500SLC wheels. Four of them are the 15" bundts and the fifth is the 14" spare from the boot (complete with original Michelin XWX). The photos with the measuring tape were taken for another purpose but they show the paint finish I achieved on the 15" bundts and a comparison with the original paint on the unused 14" spare wheel which has spent its life stored in darkness in the boot.
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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by Hendrik » Mon 15 Mar, 2010 9:00 pm

Or you could just not give a rats and have the MB brake dust finish :shock:

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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by benzfan » Tue 16 Mar, 2010 8:56 am

So that's what clean Bundts look like ... nice.

What about polishing wheels (no, not Bundts), is it possible to apply a clear coat over polished alloys to stop the oxidation and what would people recommend?
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Post by AMG » Tue 16 Mar, 2010 3:22 pm

Polishing? can be done. takes time can cost $$$

typically the finish remains polished, and you use autosol / brite shine etc to keep the finish like a mirror. a lot of work on bundts, let me tell you.

the coatings can vary. if you want to DIY, you can use incrylac which is a clear marine finish for brass / metal etc. Wattyl make it.

otherwise - clear powdercoat it. over time the finish will yellow regardless of coating.
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Post by StreekG » Sun 25 Apr, 2010 4:05 pm

Polishing those wheels is a great option, chrome is just too much though i think, bundts were never meant to shine that much. But polishing is a good alternative, i had polished bundts on my 280CE and now they are on a 450SLC they look fantastic.

Oh and we did chrome the lug bolts
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Post by Greg in Oz » Sun 25 Apr, 2010 8:02 pm

StreekG wrote:Polishing those wheels is a great option, chrome is just too much though i think, bundts were never meant to shine that much. But polishing is a good alternative, i had polished bundts on my 280CE and now they are on a 450SLC they look fantastic.
I also recall reading that there is a good technical reason for not chrome plating alloy wheels, I just can't remember what it is. Doesn't seem to stop some (particularly in the US) from doing it. I find that MB alloys finished in chrome remind me of that fake chrome plated plastic on toy cars :P
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124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by Eagle » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 9:47 am

If you are looking for someone to do the job for you, there is a place in Ballarat that restores alloy wheels..He does an excellent job and will give you several options, eg paint, polish or polish with painted shadowing etc...

I should have his buisness card somewhere, I can have a look around for it if you like...but he is not hard to find he is in the Ballarat phone book..

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Post by stumpjumper » Sat 29 Sep, 2012 3:12 am

I'd been turning over in me mind the problem of grimy bundt whells for months, more so after I put the very clean spare on.

Then, Wotan be praised, a 'Laser Wash' place opened nearby. $15 for the super wash plus a bonus $15 token. They won me, and I sat in my car as the 'no touch' high power jets and secret ingredients wove their magic which included soaking me through the slightly collapsed door seal on the drivers side. The assortment of liquids the machine splattered my car with included a very spacy mix of purple and green blobs. Too bad I wasn't still a wild youth prone to smoking illicit substances - it looked very cool.

When the process finished, I noticed that the dirty bundts were aboiut 3/4 clean. A couple of weeks later, I used the free token, and this time, the rest of the grunge disappeared from all the wheels. They look almost new now.

If you see a Laser Wash, give it a go. You won't regret it.
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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by pastelgrey300D » Tue 02 Oct, 2012 11:22 am

One of the merc workshops here in Adelaide has all their bundts sent off for refinishing and the mob they use will polish the outer rim, so the centre and the area to the edge of the 'holes' is still the original silver finish but the outside has a lovely polished 'shine' - the end result does look good and adds a bit of bling but without going over the top.
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Re: refurbishing stock wheels

Post by ANF » Tue 02 Oct, 2012 11:33 am

I agree, that can look quite nice on the bundts - although I would not polish the "fins"
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