Buying a keyless car

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Buying a keyless car

Post by erikbm » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 3:46 pm

I am looking at a 123 wagon which has been through a few hands and there is no key. Not sure about books either. Is it still possible to get replacement keys from the dealer if I give them a VIN? I am in Adelaide, but the car is in NSW.

I do have a donor car with locks and keys, but I figured that would be more work.

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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by 280Ejim » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 9:30 pm

Hi Erik, Just recently I bought a replacement key for my 280E from the dealer here in Sydney. In fact I bought one, which lasted a few weeks before the plastic gave way. So I ordered another, and keep it in it's own pouch. A search online showed that it's common for the plastic to break, and in fact there is someone in the U.S. who is making billet aluminium 'handles. The original key for my car has worn down to the extent where it almost didn't work one time, so I decided new would be safer. It took a while for the key to come from Germany. Unfortunately Mercedes no longer provide the Ignition lock to match your original. Good luck, jim

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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by erikbm » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 10:19 pm

Thanks Jim,

So was that supply them with the VIN and then they post out a key? If so, is it still around the $150 mark?

Erik

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Post by Tony From West Oz » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 10:40 pm

Usually they need proof of ownership, eg licence papers and your drivers licence, prior to ordering any keys.
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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by T-Modell » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 10:59 pm

Tony From West Oz wrote:Usually they need proof of ownership, eg licence papers and your drivers licence, prior to ordering any keys.
+1, proof of ownership. Although I really know the guys at Mercedes here very well, they are not allowed to even give me a data card for a car, if I don't prove ownership (the key coding is on it).

So I guess you need a valid contract with the VIN and - in this case - I'd ask the seller for proof of ownership. The law in Germany says, that you cannot get ownership of something stolen; so if you buy the car and someone else can proof that it's his, you have to give it to him (maybe the law in Australia is similar).

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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by tsharkey » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 11:03 pm

+2 on proof of ownership

It wont be cheap getting a key cut using the VIN, and there is always the risk that the barrel has been changed as these inevitably stuck at some stage in their life.

Pulling the locking mechanism out is an option but you will have to cut the housing with a grinder or force the plug as the wiring loom plug only comes off if the key is in a particular position. If the intention is to drive it back to SA I would bring my spare locking mechanism and swap it over. More hassle but less risk and cost.

How do you know it is a runner if there is no key to start ?
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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by T-Modell » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 11:11 pm

tsharkey wrote:...
How do you know it is a runner if there is no key to start ?
Stolen cars are normally shortcut :laughing6: :laughing6:
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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by erikbm » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 11:15 pm

Yes, that's fine. I get the buyer beware bit. They started it because it is a 240D and they can put a lead onto the starter motor and get it running.

I thought a genuine 240D 5 speed manual wagon might be worth saving.

Where exactly would I cut the housing to get the barrel out? (You may wish to PM me on that one).

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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 11:53 pm

You can always drill the lock out.

see this : viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11725
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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 21 Aug, 2017 12:59 pm

Hi Erik, Goodwood locksmiths can cut keys from the datacard for you, they are just above the underpass on Goodwood road. From memory it was around $45. You should be able to get the datacard for free from MB Adelaide or Unley dealer if you ask nicely and show proof of ownership. Might be a cheaper option than ordering keys from the dealer.

Alternatively, you could take one of the locks into them I think they can read the lock and cut a key to suit?
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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by stumpjumper » Tue 17 Oct, 2017 11:45 am

That's music to my ears. I've just been quoted $300 by MB in Adelaide for a key cut in Melbourne from the VIN. However, I don't have the data card. It seems I cna get hte data card from MB for very little, then use it to get a key from Goodwood Locksmiths or simnilar (I think there are a couple of locksmiths around Adelaide who will cut MB keys from the key number on the card).

PS I just rang Goodwood Locksmiths. The can cut a key to a data card number, but the cost is now $65.
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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by Pete49 » Tue 17 Oct, 2017 1:56 pm

so that would put you $235 ahead to get the data card. I would go with that. :happy3:
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Re: Buying a keyless car

Post by stumpjumper » Wed 08 Nov, 2017 11:03 am

That's exactly what I'm doing. : )
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