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South African w123

Post by lockiedog » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 8:54 pm

Can someone please explain to me how the south african w123's were made. Where?

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Re: South African w123

Post by Ivanerrol » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 9:14 pm

Assembled from C.K.D. (Complete Knock Down) kits at the East London Mercedes Benz plant.

There should be a blue plate somewhere under the bonnet stating the manufacturing assembly line.

Nothing wrong with S.A. assembled cars.

I had a S.A. assembled 380SE. It came with no SLS, no climate control and the high compression no pollution control engine.
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Re: South African w123

Post by lockiedog » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 9:25 pm

So the bodies are made in east london England? then assembed in south africa? Complete knock down means they are all like base models? And howcome they still say made in germany on the plate under the bonnet?

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Post by Yuri » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 9:53 pm

Hi Alex

The only automotive products made in East London England to the best of my knowledge are Frauds in Dagenham (where Dudley Moore grew up) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Dagenham

The East London Ivanerrol was referring to is not in the UK, but in South Africa - see http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=east%2 ... =en&tab=wl

I don't think Daimler-Benz AG would have allowed any factories in the UK, where quality control traditionally was so poor. Anyone owned a Rover SD1? Or a Morris Marina?!? Those oz-benzers who have suffered being transported in a dreadful black London cab (a glorified Austin) as against your late-model E-class found elsewhere (or even W115 or W123 diesels still found in Eastern Europe or Africa) will know what I mean...

Wikipedia again has a reasonable explanation of Complete Knock Down - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_knock_down
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Re: South African w123

Post by lockiedog » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 7:17 pm

Thanks for that infomation Yuri, I am looking forword to catching up.

So they basicly made everthing in germany sent it all to south africa for assembly. Has anybody got a reason why they did this, I am guessing to keep cost of frieght down.

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Post by Tony From West Oz » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 10:01 pm

Possibly to meet "local content" rules and reduce import duty. Like they did in AUS back then.

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Re: South African w123

Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 09 Apr, 2011 9:59 am

Factory setup for the huge African market and as well exported to Asia.
Aus B.M.W. 3 series still made in S.A.
Some Aus c classes still made in S.A.
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Re: South African w123

Post by Hendrik » Sat 16 Apr, 2011 12:10 pm

lockiedog wrote:Thanks for that infomation Yuri, I am looking forword to catching up.

So they basicly made everthing in germany sent it all to south africa for assembly. Has anybody got a reason why they did this, I am guessing to keep cost of frieght down.

Alex
Not sure but I think apartheid had something to do with it.

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Re: South African w123

Post by dieselboy » Tue 26 Apr, 2011 8:21 pm

The CKD was brought about to increase local content ( normally tyres, glass, upholstery, wiring, radiator, large proportion of engine final assembly) to provide local jobs and support local industries - often instituted where large local labor force is available.

Had nothing to do with Apartheid - promoting local skills growth and manufacturing/ assembly plants (Mercedes, VW / Audi, GM, Ford, Opel,Toyota, BMW, Alfa) all have had factories assembling local vehicles in SA

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Re: South African w123

Post by Boyracer » Wed 27 Apr, 2011 1:09 am

I've seen a couple of SA built 123s over the years and one thing I noticed was the little caps at the very front of the sill seemed to be missing on these cars. I always wondered if this was a SA thing or if it was a coincidence.

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Re: South African w123

Post by stumpjumper » Wed 27 Apr, 2011 1:24 am

Which sill, boyracer?
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Post by Boyracer » Wed 27 Apr, 2011 10:52 am

Stumpjumper - It's the leading edge of the sills, the part that a front mudflap might conceal, ie ahead of the jacking point.

I just went and snaffled a pic off the net.

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Post by Boyracer » Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:44 pm

Here's a pic of the cap I'm referring to:

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Re: South African w123

Post by stumpjumper » Thu 28 Apr, 2011 1:10 pm

Got it. Round here, those 'sills' are called rocker panels - or maybe it's just me who calls them that.
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Re: South African w123

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 28 Apr, 2011 2:24 pm

S.A. cars often had little reflectors fore and aft. - white for front - red for rear.

pour example
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Re: South African w123

Post by lockiedog » Thu 28 Apr, 2011 8:42 pm

Those inner gaurds are different from the early models to the update ones. The early ones had smaller ones that just ran verticly inside the guard and the later ones wrapped right around the inner guards. The only difference I have found is that the South African ones are always metal and the Aussie delivered ones are plastic. Other differences that I have found with my 240d is that they come 280 spec minnes the headlights, they have them little round reflectors in the headlights ivanerrol was talking about mine didn't have the rear ones maybe they had been taken off. Interior has the material wrapping around the door frames, 280 door handles in the back and the mb tex pattern is different. There is no warning triangle on the boot lid and there is know clip too attach it to. There is no data card near the bonnet latch, the paint code is stamped into the body and some other codes stamped in the firewall near the vin. No side intrusion bars in the doors. The glass is toughened antisun. There is more but I can not remember right now.

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Re: South African w123

Post by LlewellynRozanski » Thu 02 Jun, 2011 12:32 am

I have a 230E purchased in Cape Town - it has plastic flaps just behind the front wheel you guys are referring to. Though it was assembled in '85; maybe that makes the difference. Mine's just about fully optioned. Though I neglect to look at other people's, mine has a stump guard. Which I've always wondered if they were standard or not from S.A or just in general.

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Post by John Green » Thu 02 Jun, 2011 11:07 am

dieselboy wrote:The CKD was brought about to increase local content ( normally tyres, glass, upholstery, wiring, radiator, large proportion of engine final assembly) to provide local jobs and support local industries - often instituted where large local labor force is available.

Had nothing to do with Apartheid - promoting local skills growth and manufacturing/ assembly plants (Mercedes, VW / Audi, GM, Ford, Opel,Toyota, BMW, Alfa) all have had factories assembling local vehicles in SA
It was to do with MONEY, there are and have been a few plants doing CKD Mercedes-Benz assembly around the world, including Australia. The contry concerned will normally offer a trade cossession or some other kind of financial incentive to get MB to set up on there soil.

Then when it does not make $$$$ for MB anymore they pull out, just like they did in Australia.
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Re: South African w123

Post by dagget » Thu 02 Jun, 2011 9:12 pm

It also has to do with import tarrifs/duties and any other trade restrictions. SA had quite prohibitive industry protection (like Australia in the 60s) designed to encourage local manufacturing. Firms like MB would like to sell in SA but tarrifs make it expensive/uncompetitve. To get around it they go down the CKD route and just assemble, the local content rules were designed to ensure that some manufactring was taking place and not just assembly.

Of course when you reduce protection you dont need to assemble here, just import straight from the home country. SA does have the advantage of lower labour costs which encourages bona fide manufacturing to take place though.
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Re: South African w123

Post by Mercmad » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 1:49 pm

I've had two SA W123's and a W126 . The W126 was owned by a church originally,bought to OZ,then abandoned for 10 years beside a swimming pool. A salt water pool. i got the car for free because the salt had wrecked the car . it ran nice and had a full set of Bundt fully polished wheels.
One of my W123's waas fully optioned right down to the matching rubber mats ( beige rubber to match the creme beige leather seats ) and the other was a low spec 230 which was real gem. i did 75,000 ks in 18 months without putting a spanner to it and only sold it because a taxi crashed into it one night wrecking the front.

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Re: South African w123

Post by goonie123 » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 3:26 pm

I recently acquired a South African import w123 230e 4sp manual.

Does anyone know if the South African versions have the power-limiting pollution control?

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