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First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 12 Aug, 2017 6:52 pm
by T-Modell
Hi down under,

after three years they got me again on the Autobahn ... 71 in a 60 zone, no points, 20 Euros. What's interesting is the photo. In Germany you're only allowed to show the driver, so that e. g. the wife cannot see who was with you. But what's the point of such a photo, if I had claimed to my wife to be alone on a business trip? :laughing6: :laughing6:
2017-07-15 - Strafzettel Foto sm.jpg
Regards and have a nice weekend
Thomas

P. S.: It was actually my wife in the car ... :whistle:

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 12 Aug, 2017 7:07 pm
by Lance
T-Modell wrote:Autobahn ... 71 in a 60 zone, no points, 20 Euros.
That's it, I'm moving to Germany, get away from this police state. Interestingly with such a low level of enforcement they have a much lower road toll than Australia. So anyone who thinks that speed cameras are about saving lives, look at Northern Europe.
T-Modell wrote:In Germany you're only allowed to show the driver
Same in Denmark.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 12 Aug, 2017 10:44 pm
by cuisses
T-Modell wrote: In Germany you're only allowed to show the driver, so that e. g. the wife cannot see who was with you.
More to the point, the photo also shows exactly where you were located. It is going to be hard to explain how you were on Hamburg's Reeperbahn, when in fact you were supposed to be at a meeting in Potsdam.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Mon 14 Aug, 2017 4:04 pm
by CraigB
That's funny - I always say to my kids "always put yourself in the other persons shoes" - obviously your authorities are doing a bit of that - take the punishment for speeding but don't cause a divorce!

I haven't had a speeding fine for quite a while here but i think ours are closer to $500 here - in fact i paid more than 20 euros for being 2 minutes late back to a parking meter the other day!

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Mon 14 Aug, 2017 6:08 pm
by T-Modell
CraigB wrote:... - in fact i paid more than 20 euros for being 2 minutes late back to a parking meter the other day!
Hi Craig,
I got 60 Dollars (2011) for being 5 minutes late at a parking meter in front of a hospital in Melbourne. Australia is so much safer than Germany, it's breathtaking.

In 2006 - on a holiday trip from Melbourne to Sydney - we stopped in Ulladulla (never forget that name!). There was parking (45°) along the main (huge!) road. Didn't know where to go, so I ended up at the last free parking lot, but I reversed in. When we came back, I got a ticket of around 100 AUD for parking in the wrong direction. We found the guy, told him that we were tourists .... no way. Luckily, my "then-girlfriend" (now wife) was working at the city council in Melbourne and found out all the papers to go against it ... I didn't pay in the end.

Is it true, that there are no taxes in Australia, you just pay traffic fines? :laughing6: :laughing6:

Regards
Thomas, fan of common sense

P. S.: I wonder in the future (the super company Tesla f. i.), when autonomous driving is allowed: Who pays the speeding ticket, if the sign recognition failed and the car is too fast? Not speaking of morale, e. g. Great Ocean Road, you have the alternative of driving off the cliff or killing a mother and a child ... what does the computer select? If the algorithm selects "driving off the cliff", who would buy a suicidal car?

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Mon 14 Aug, 2017 9:55 pm
by CraigB
You gave me another chuckle - what is it with all this order about how to park cars here? I thought Adelaide was the uptight place that gave parking tickets if you park facing the wrong way on a road. UK and I think Germany from memory, as long as you park in a space or the right place why the hell does it matter which way it faces. Doesn't look tidy?!! Where i lived in the UK, travel down the narrow street and see a park on either side and you just pull into it - obviously taking care not to run into moving vehicles etc. Same situation in Adelaide and a park on the other side, you need to keep going, find a point to be able to turn around or do a 3 point turn, put everyone at risk with blind spots etc reversing back and then go up to the park again........ and just to look tidy! You often see interstate plates that will pull in facing the wrong way so figure its not the case interstate. And i thought NSW towns wanted you to reverse in? We don't but that makes sense to me, once again reversing back blindly into traffic instead of sitting looking at the road you are about to pull into to.

And i won't go into the irony of our "national road laws"!

True about our fines, the only thing about that is you have the ultimate form of tax evasion by behaving!

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Thu 31 Aug, 2017 10:53 pm
by Mercmad
Same here but the socialsts in government in Queensland have put the cost up so i am expectred to cough up $250 for being 18 Ks over the limit .I should convert to islam and become a migrant to Germany. .viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24312

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Fri 01 Sep, 2017 11:43 am
by pastelgrey300D
Wow, for 20 euros you can't really claim they are revenue raising! Would barely cover the administrative costs to send you out the fine and process the payment!

Parking tickets here in ADL used to be ok, I remember when I first started at my current job in the city back in 2007 a parking ticket was $19. Now $50 if you're more than 10 minutes over the time limit. Being in a no standing/bike lane/bus zone are upwards of $90.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 02 Sep, 2017 8:31 am
by Mercmad
I was crook a few months ago and had to get to the hospital, the Emergency is the only way to get admitted but there are 5 car parks, so i parked in the street a meter or so over a yellow line and got a $150 ticket . I see the parking bloke there with his scanner every day often just leaning against a fence having a smoke,,, hopefully the fags will give him cancer and he ends up in the hospital. At least we have state run courts, unlike victoria which has the strangest system in the western world.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sun 08 Oct, 2017 7:07 pm
by T-Modell
Hi down under,

it's not my year ... three weeks ago in Ludwigshafen, 50km/h, four lanes, nobody around ... they got me on a Monday morning with a smashing 57 km/h while driving to the drive shaft company to extend and balance the drive shaft ... so this part of the ute is 15 Euros more expensive.

In the old days with films, developing, printing etc. it was just too expensive to send tickets for that price ... these days with digital imaging it's just become too cheap :laughing6:

Thomas
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Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sun 08 Oct, 2017 7:15 pm
by Ivanerrol
15 Euros😱

Mate just got a foto ticket this week - alleged 3 k over a 40k limit. $379.00 plus three points.
He’s up to 10 points- I can almost guarantee he’ll be walking by Xmas.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sun 08 Oct, 2017 8:25 pm
by T-Modell
Ivanerrol wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 7:15 pm
15 Euros😱

Mate just got a foto ticket this week - alleged 3 k over a 40k limit. $379.00 plus three points.
He’s up to 10 points- I can almost guarantee he’ll be walking by Xmas.
You're going crazy down under :banghead: ... obviously it's more important in Melbourne in a 40-zone to be concentrated on your speedometre than on pedestrians, kids, etc. Even a modern cruise control has some slack regarding the speed.

Which human being is capable of driving 40 without +/- 5km/h? Unfortunately that's my experience too in Melbourne, when I was driving there. Concentrate on the speedo, but driving without lights in heavy rain at 100km/h with 5 metres distance to the car in front ...

Regards
Thomas

P. S.: The recorded speed of that ticket was 60km/h; three km/h tolerance. When I saw the flash, the needle was just above 60km/h ...

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 10:53 am
by Ivanerrol
T-Modell wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 8:25 pm


You're going crazy down under :banghead: ... obviously it's more important in Melbourne in a 40-zone to be concentrated on your speedometre than on pedestrians, kids, etc. Even a modern cruise control has some slack regarding the speed.

Which human being is capable of driving 40 without +/- 5km/h? Unfortunately that's my experience too in Melbourne, when I was driving there. Concentrate on the speedo, but driving without lights in heavy rain at 100km/h with 5 metres distance to the car in front ...

Regards
Thomas

Very controversial Thomas. Design specs give a 10% leeway for speedo error but TPTB just ignore this.
Then you have new tyres vs worn down tyres etc.

Mate has a new GLC coupe. It's near impossible to drive at 40kph. Lucky it's got head up display. His CLS was the same.
However same man really needs spectacles. Vanity prevents him from wearing (he's a menace).

Our local mayor had great delight in convincing the roads department to place a blanket 24 hour 40kph limit around our local area. 40K would have been alright past the local shopping strip but not 24 hours. The outlying streets would be fine for 50k.
I had a go at her last time there were council elections. That proved fruitless as she was voted out and now we have a Green :angryfire:

There are more an more 40K zones going in. A lot of ridiculous locations.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 6:04 pm
by T-Modell
Ivanerrol wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 10:53 am
...
There are more an more 40K zones going in. A lot of ridiculous locations.
Well,
we're more advanced ... we have 30 zones :dance: ... more or less our whole city here is a 30 zone incl. radar control.

I still have my first Oz speeding ticket, second visit in 1998 ... 72 in a 60 zone, just 80 Dollars (ridicilous in those days already, compared to Germany). The money transfer from Hong Kong to Oz nearly cost me an extra 80 dollars :laughing6:
strafzettel oz.jpg
Regards
Thomas

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2017 5:21 pm
by DBW124
I have not had any kind of infringement notice (except a couple for parking since living in Melbourne) for over 30 years.

On my trip to Europe earlier this year I (and/or my brother) got pinged twice. Both by speed cameras in France. Both less than 20 kph over the limit, but with a "margin of error" calculation, rounded down to a lower penalty rate (something like less than 10 kph over the limit). The "Pay now" cost was 45 euros (each). To contest, you had to pay the actual fine cost of over 60 euros (x 2), to be reimbursed if found to be not guilty.

Given that we knew we got flashed once, I didn't bother to contest, thinking that I would have copped a stiffer fine plus penalty points for the same thing in Victoria.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2017 5:35 pm
by DBW124
Ivanerrol wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 10:53 am
T-Modell wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 8:25 pm


You're going crazy down under :banghead: ... obviously it's more important in Melbourne in a 40-zone to be concentrated on your speedometre than on pedestrians, kids, etc. Even a modern cruise control has some slack regarding the speed.

Which human being is capable of driving 40 without +/- 5km/h? Unfortunately that's my experience too in Melbourne, when I was driving there. Concentrate on the speedo, but driving without lights in heavy rain at 100km/h with 5 metres distance to the car in front ...

Regards
Thomas

Very controversial Thomas. Design specs give a 10% leeway for speedo error but TPTB just ignore this.
Then you have new tyres vs worn down tyres etc.

Mate has a new GLC coupe. It's near impossible to drive at 40kph. Lucky it's got head up display. His CLS was the same.
However same man really needs spectacles. Vanity prevents him from wearing (he's a menace).

Our local mayor had great delight in convincing the roads department to place a blanket 24 hour 40kph limit around our local area. 40K would have been alright past the local shopping strip but not 24 hours. The outlying streets would be fine for 50k.
I had a go at her last time there were council elections. That proved fruitless as she was voted out and now we have a Green :angryfire:

There are more an more 40K zones going in. A lot of ridiculous locations.
What shits me Les is High Street through Thornbury and Preston. Most of it is 40kph between 8am and 12 midnight. Otherwise a 50kph limit applies. Ok fine. But northbound near Murray Rd, amongst all the shop awnings and parking restriction signs, I recently noticed a 40 kph sign with no times listed (i.e. 24hr). The good thing thing is that even the police don't seem to know about it, because if I'm driving a bus or company car at either speed limit, usually I'm by far the slowest thing on the road.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2017 9:21 pm
by Ivanerrol
30KPH zones are being touted.

The auto clubs are against it.

But "it's the right thing to do - think of the children" :bs:

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2017 9:27 pm
by T-Modell
Regarding 30-zones ... here in Germany they exist for a longer time and get more and more. There are areas where they are absolutely necessary, but also areas where it's just a method to keep non-working bogans in their sleep when others have to work. :banghead: ... in those zones, I shift down manually into 2nd gear with the AMG; in case police stops me, I tell them something about a software-fault in the gearbox :laughing6: :laughing6:

However another thing: The people fighting hardest for 30-zones (the mid-thirties-young-families f. i.) are the ones, who rush through them with 50km/h in the mornings when they have to drive their anklebiters with their SUV's to school (or Toorak tractors in your country) ... :whistle:

Thomas

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2017 9:46 pm
by Ivanerrol
T-Modell wrote:
Sat 25 Nov, 2017 9:27 pm
Regarding 30-zones ... here in Germany they exist for a longer time and get more and more. There are areas where they are absolutely necessary, but also areas where it's just a method to keep non-working bogans in their sleep when others have to work. :banghead: ... in those zones, I shift down manually into 2nd gear with the AMG; in case police stops me, I tell them something about a software-fault in the gearbox :laughing6: :laughing6:

However another thing: The people fighting hardest for 30-zones (the mid-thirties-young-families f. i.) are the ones, who rush through them with 50km/h in the mornings when they have to drive their anklebiters with their SUV's to school (or Toorak tractors in your country) ... :whistle:

Thomas
30 K zones are probably those where it's impossible to do more than that even if there was no speed limits due to congestion.
There's a street in Melbourne that would qualify - Chapel Street Prahran.

Any number of mothers have been booked on the school run. There's quite a few who have been picked up for drink driving on the afternoon school runs.
I live right next to a upmarket private girls school - there's over a thousand students. The parking inspectors have taken to hiding in the trees and snapping images of those itinerant parking zone violaters and sending out parking tickets in the post.

Re: First speeding ticket after 3 years ...

Posted: Tue 28 Nov, 2017 9:45 am
by AMG
T-Modell wrote:
Sat 25 Nov, 2017 9:27 pm
Regarding 30-zones ... here in Germany they exist for a longer time and get more and more. There are areas where they are absolutely necessary, but also areas where it's just a method to keep non-working bogans in their sleep when others have to work. :banghead: ... in those zones, I shift down manually into 2nd gear with the AMG; in case police stops me, I tell them something about a software-fault in the gearbox :laughing6: :laughing6:

However another thing: The people fighting hardest for 30-zones (the mid-thirties-young-families f. i.) are the ones, who rush through them with 50km/h in the mornings when they have to drive their anklebiters with their SUV's to school (or Toorak tractors in your country) ... :whistle:

Thomas
My speedo doesn't show any speed below 20.... and 30? 1st gear in Stella and handbrake on. the thing cant roll slower than 40.

If 30 zones come, I'm buying a pallet load of Nankangs and driving everywhere at 11sies.