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Post by T-Modell » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 5:17 am

Hi guys,

on an early Saturday morning on the Autobahn, driving towards the East to pick up parts from the club. It was around 07:30 and zero degrees and the sun was rising ... hardly any traffic ... moments when you have time to think about life. Thought I share this photo with you guys ...
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Post by CraigB » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 12:01 pm

Shouldn't you have both hands on the wheel! Great pic, thanks for sharing.
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Post by maddin » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 12:11 pm

jesus...is that truck overtaking on the right side?
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Post by New123 » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 2:57 pm

maddin wrote:jesus...is that truck overtaking on the right side?
For LHD vehicles (driving on the right side of the road) the slower traffic keeps to the right, or at least they should. The "fast" lane is the one closest to the center median.
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Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 4:14 pm

I hear Kraftwerk playing in the background...


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Post by T-Modell » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 4:56 pm

CraigB wrote:Shouldn't you have both hands on the wheel! Great pic, thanks for sharing.
Craig,
that's only mandatory, if you do NOT have two knees :laughing6: ... this was a speed-limit zone of 120, so you see the limiter is set to 140. This speed is called "advanced parking" :laughing6:
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maddin wrote:jesus...is that truck overtaking on the right side?
For LHD vehicles (driving on the right side of the road) the slower traffic keeps to the right, or at least they should. The "fast" lane is the one closest to the center median.
My god Martin, you need an Aussie to explain that to you coming from Germany :laughing6: :laughing6: ... The truck is driving correctly ... after overtaking I moved to the right lane too.

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Post by CraigB » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 6:28 pm

Or in Adelaide, if you took an aerial view of our multi-lane roads you would think you were in Europe. I just figure people must have trouble telling right from left when they see the "keep left unless overtaking". If everyone had a drive in Europe or UK and see how well it works, not to mention the safety factor - have had OS passengers have kittens when i have passed cars on the left, but the only option is to sit behind the car in the right lane while everyone else passes on the inside!
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Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 7:17 pm

CraigB wrote:Or in Adelaide, if you took an aerial view of our multi-lane roads you would think you were in Europe. I just figure people must have trouble telling right from left when they see the "keep left unless overtaking". If everyone had a drive in Europe or UK and see how well it works, not to mention the safety factor - have had OS passengers have kittens when i have passed cars on the left, but the only option is to sit behind the car in the right lane while everyone else passes on the inside!
Spot on Craig.

It is the same here in Perth....
Everyone is able to move to the right with no trouble at all, moving back into the left lane once overtaken seems to be extremely hard...

I sometimes give them the "stinky eye" when I overtake them on the left, but that does not seem to register....

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Post by Ludwig » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 7:56 pm

In Western Australia you MUST return to the LHS of the road after overtaking if the speed limit is 90kph or greater (statewide limit is 110kph).
Penalties apply if you fail to do this. Where the speed limit is less than 90kph you may drive in the RH lane all day and never return to the kerbside lane.
Stupid? Of course but laws are made by politicians so...........what else would you expect?
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Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 8:35 pm

Ludwig wrote:In Western Australia you MUST return to the LHS of the road after overtaking if the speed limit is 90kph or greater (statewide limit is 110kph).
Penalties apply if you fail to do this. Where the speed limit is less than 90kph you may drive in the RH lane all day and never return to the kerbside lane.
Stupid? Of course but laws are made by politicians so...........what else would you expect?
New to me, but good to now.

However, I have never heard of someone being pulled over on the freeway from hanging in the RH lane..

Also, on stock Rd where most of the speed limit is 80 kph, there are several signs "Drive Safe Keep Left" but apparently it does not apply to most WA citizens...


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Post by Tony From West Oz » Wed 22 Feb, 2017 10:01 pm

On the radio the other day, a police officer was asked why this law was not enforced. He seemed to think it was a recommendation and no resources would be provided to police this law.
So what is the "Police force" for, if not to Police the laws of the state???

OK, this is an 'optional' law. LOL
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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 23 Feb, 2017 9:07 am

In Victoria at least, you must stay in the left lanes unless overtaking.
You can be fined for doing 90ks on a 100k limit road if you persist to stay in the overtaking lanes.

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Post by CraigB » Thu 23 Feb, 2017 9:54 am

Once again Victorian law sounds sensible to me. Although i imagine it is law here too but I've never seen it policed, even when i have see police cars tailing and getting held up in the RH lane. Same as most jobs though - are you there to do what you have to and collect your paycheck or do you understand the big picture and everyday you go to work you are trying to work towards those aims. I think we can tell what Tony's police officer on the radio does.
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Post by T-Modell » Thu 23 Feb, 2017 6:18 pm

Tony From West Oz wrote:On the radio the other day, a police officer was asked why this law was not enforced. He seemed to think it was a recommendation and no resources would be provided to police this law.
So what is the "Police force" for, if not to Police the laws of the state???

OK, this is an 'optional' law. LOL
Tony,
does that apply for "speed laws" too? :laughing6:
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Did it rain later that day Tomas?
No, Erol, it was dry all day, but cold. Seems to be an Aussie thing to shorten names :rr:

Last November we had Aussie friends here, he was a Merc nutter himself. We drove that same stretch to the Mercedes Museum on an early Sunday morning. Before the speed limit on the photo I could accelerate to around 280km/h (winter tyres are limited to 270) and he took a video. Then I just went off the accelerator and let the car roll. When we reached 110km/h after a while, they couldn't believe it was Aussie speed ... they thought it felt like 30km/h ...

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Post by Lance » Thu 23 Feb, 2017 6:53 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:In Victoria at least, you must stay in the left lanes unless overtaking.
You can be fined for doing 90ks on a 100k limit road if you persist to stay in the overtaking lanes.
But this law is ignored by all and never policed. Melbournians are not only the worst drivers Australia but the world and I have driven in most states of Australia and many European countries. The Danes, Germans and Romans are the best.
No-one here moves over and they all sit on 10kays under the speed limit, it is so frustrating.
And for all those who will reply that speed is dangerous, why is the rate of deaths per kilometre traveled in Germany and Denmark half ours and speed limits are generally ignored? Answer: a proper training system for new drivers.
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Post by markb » Thu 23 Feb, 2017 8:45 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:In Victoria at least, you must stay in the left lanes unless overtaking.
You can be fined for doing 90ks on a 100k limit road if you persist to stay in the overtaking lanes.
I'd love to see some of Melbourne's numerous taxi drivers get fined....as I get stuck behind them, heading in-bound on the Tulla Freeway every night.. :boxing:
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Post by CraigB » Thu 23 Feb, 2017 8:58 pm

Including the training of the safety advantages to keeping to your left! I always thought UK drivers good too. The 10km under the actual limit thing happens here too because that is what most newish cars seem to be doing when their speedo is reading the limit. I think under australian standards a manufacturer only has to be within 10% of the limit but the same allowance doesn't apply to speeding fines - so your car can be completely legal, you thinking you are doing the right thing and still get fined - which is probably why they seem to deliberately put the allowance the other way - or so it would seem. And at least in other states you seem to have no fine speed detection fairly regularly so you can check your speed. I am not aware of any such fixed device in SA if you wanted to check - handy if you make money out of speeding fines.

Speed laws have an important role here in SA in raising revenue and generally not enforced by police. They park unmarked cars up on footpaths or in the way of cyclists etc with cameras strapped to the front, usually placed on long downhill runs, just off of motorways etc, any place where most likely for good safe drivers to slip up and go slightly over the limit and then you get the fine in the post. You have no idea for weeks and weeks that this has happened, has no immediate deterrent effect and usually unable to remember what was happening at the time and just have to take their word for it - although i do believe there cameras to be very accurate. But i seem to avoid them, i probably don't actually speed much, and if you are attentive you can usually pick the odd parking places etc, just the same as if you are attentive and a good driver you will be on your brakes and have stopped well short of where a 50kmh driver distracted by their phone, radio, cup of coffee, cigarette, what's for dinner etc. I take driving seriously.

But one place you don't see speed cameras or other detection is around school zones with 25kmh limit and not a day goes by when i don't see people doing way over the limit dropping the kids etc. or just in side streets generally, see i reckon that's where people are gonna get killed, not a car coasting down a hill on a dual carriageway doing 65, but then how much revenue will you raise on the busy dual carriageway compared to volume around schools etc ? And on country roads you always used to see speed detection on a police car sitting in the towns where the risk is but these days they all seem to be out on the open road where you rarely see cars doing greatly over the limit. I did get pulled over by one of these for doing 115kmh in a 110 zone. Took forever checking my licence etc and meanwhile because he has lights and sirens on, every truck has to slow from 110 to 25 while passing the car and then back up to 110. He gave me a formal caution, all written out etc. but at least i didn't get a fine or demerits for my major crime of being 4.5% over the limit (when australian standards think it is safe enough to have speedos within 10%)

I'm not condoning speed and you have to have laws, I just hate the govt media ramming it down our throat all the time that being fractionally over the limit is the whole story while they make no attempt to train and consider the effects of inattentive discourteous driving that we seem to be surrounded by on a daily basis. I can't help being cynical that speeding is an easy excuse for cheap revenue raising and all the rest and the big picture is just too hard.

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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 23 Feb, 2017 9:06 pm

Hire car and taxi drivers are limited to 90kph - at least that's what the limit was when I had a Taxi/hire car license.

It would be easy for TPTB to install cameras which record tailgaters and those that abuse the limits in the passing lane. $$$$$$$$$$$ to be harvested
I'm surprised that they have not as yet been introduced.

Germany is by far the best driving experience I have ever driven in. Courteous and conscientious drivers without a doubt.
Even drivers in Asia with all their seemingly dangerous habits are more courteous.

I suspect that one of the reasons that Euro drivers are more on the ball is that the speed limits are higher and as such more concentration on the road is required.
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Post by Lance » Thu 23 Feb, 2017 9:10 pm

Drivers seem to break every law except speeding, on the 12 minute drive home from work I get cut off at every roundabout.
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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 24 Feb, 2017 1:47 pm

I'll just add my 0.02 for good measure :laughing6:

Most countries in Europe have a very strict driver training system. You can only be taught by a licensed and approved instructor (who has to take an exam every year as well).

My wife learned to drive in Oz, just a few years ago.

I acquired 4 licenses in Europe (in chron. order Motorbike, Car, Truck and Coach) over 15 years. Each time during lessons I was picked up by the instructor on some habits I slipped in, which were not entirely kosher.
So my point is, is that Uncle BOB or Auntie Maud cannot teach you how to drive properly, because the are not QUALIFIED!

Yes, I hear you say that in Oz we have to pass an exam and some of us take some lessons from an instructor (who's quality can be a bit doubtful too). But that is just a small time period of assessment.
They teach you how to pass the exam, not how to drive in daily life.

Standard tasks that compulsory in Europe are not required here: going round the bend in reverse, hillclimb start, proper use of lights when and where and in what circumstances...
I am also amazed that driving downhill in an automatic, while engine braking is not taught!!!

But I guess it is just too hard to introduce compulsory driving lessons with an instructor in Australia, when a license is considered a birthright....
I had a female friend in the Netherlands who only passed after 30 attempts at her license. That's perseverance :laughing6:


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Post by Lance » Fri 24 Feb, 2017 4:07 pm

Shouldn't we feel guilty about hijacking Thomas's thread?
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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 24 Feb, 2017 5:21 pm

Yes I do, but only a little bit :laughing6: :laughing6:

Sorry Thomas, drive on into the sunset my friend :drool:


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Post by T-Modell » Fri 24 Feb, 2017 5:27 pm

No worries guys,

I'm just surprised what I started - again - with a photo of a speedometre at 140km/h. Yes I know, in Australia it's a severe crime to drive 105 in a 100 zone and the penalties are ridiculous. On the other hand it's no problem to drive without lights in heavy rain, closing the distance to the car in front of you (maybe to see the car better?) ... or - e. g. in Melbourne - driving 80km/h on a narrow 4-lane road in the suburbs with garages and little streets everywhere ... where in Germany the speed limit might be 50.

Well as it looks like, our "labour" party together with the Greens and the Communists might take over in September and then we will have the same situation as in Oz. Up to then I enjoy as much as I can. Even our Aussie friends visiting stopped hyperventilating after a few moments, forgot about the speedometre and we had a nice conversation while driving to the Mercedes museum at > 200km/h ...

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Post by maddin » Fri 24 Feb, 2017 7:26 pm

New123 wrote:
maddin wrote:jesus...is that truck overtaking on the right side?
For LHD vehicles (driving on the right side of the road) the slower traffic keeps to the right, or at least they should. The "fast" lane is the one closest to the center median.
I know,I'm german ;-)
I was more referring to his driving style.... :cya:
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