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Post by pastelgrey300D » Sat 17 Aug, 2013 10:53 pm

My lovely lady and I had the task this week of dropping one of her work cars (a 2012 VW Golf GTD) at a local German car specialist for service (and before you ask, no the DSG wasn't stuffed, just a routine service). Her boss had arranged for a loan car so that we could get to/from work. We were handed the keys to a 1st Gen Audi A4 - which sounded impressive and it certainly looked nice from a distance - but on closer inspection...
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The interior could best be desribed as 'sticky throughout'. It was grimy and filthy, lovely lady kindly allowed me to drive so that she didn't have to touch the steering wheel.

Bits of trim were missing from the doors...
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And it looks as though someone put a bullet through the center console at one stage...
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The whole car really needed to be put through the dishwasher on pots and pans... twice... with about 1000 of those finish power ball whatsits.

So time to share... what has been your crappiest loan/hire car experience...?
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Post by T-Modell » Sat 17 Aug, 2013 11:03 pm

So David,

I guess you're a valuable customer to that stealership :laughing6: ... I would have returned it and asked for a bicycle ...

A positive example: while we had massive problems with our new C-Class (W203) in 2007 (nearly went to court with MB), we (my wife) got an SLK for two days ... that's when my wife fell in love with the car and which resulted in one at the end of 2007.

Bad example: Hire car @ Frankfurt Airport: Whole right mirror was missing ... of course not noted in the papers. Always check the whole hire car, when you take it over. In Oz they're not so picky; at Tullamarine this year, there were a lot of scratches around the car. I informed the guy and he noted them all on the papers ... his words: Up to a size of a 2-dollar-coin they don't matter ...

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Post by Giles » Sat 17 Aug, 2013 11:08 pm

The other end of the Loan Car scenario is this one David. I'm going to The Targa West Shannon's Adar Show tomorrow. My local Dealer was generous and has loaned me something after having a discussion with him about the event.

I was going to take my wife's E430 to show at the event, but this Bad Boy was an offer I couldn't refuse. A 2004 S55AMG. Should be a nice 360km round trip. :dance:
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Post by 420 SE » Sun 18 Aug, 2013 4:46 am

Some years ago, mid naughties, I ordered a custom build Audi for my wife, 9 months for delivery due to the custom build, through Audi Australia who then refused to honour several warranty issues because 'they weren't offered on Australian delivered cars'.

I would never consider an Audi again.

I traded that piece of crap on a BMW X3 which my wife still doesn't want to get rid of (even though we are overseas).

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Post by Starman » Sun 18 Aug, 2013 10:10 am

My dealer gave me a 2013 C200 coupe. I didn't like it one bit.
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Post by Tmaguire » Sun 18 Aug, 2013 10:17 am

Have just dropped my 2006 E55 wagon in for some warranty issues and they have sent me 350 km home in a Nissan Pulsar!! Only Jap car on the lot.

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Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 18 Aug, 2013 11:46 am

Our little Renault Kangoo van developed some problems.
There are some known issues with those vehicles so we had them all sorted at once.

Stealership lent us a demo Renault sedan to do some deliveries.

The dashboard is such a dangerous design that when the sun shines on it, the reflection into the windscreen is so bad you cant see out. - very Dangerous.
I mentioned this to the service manager when the demo was returned and the Kangoo picked up. He admitted there was a flaw in the dash design angle, material and polish levels.

The Kangoo is a great little van. It goes like a rocket and very economical.
The only issue is that there are known failure points in the auto transmission and the fuel pumps. Once these items are sorted out they are very reliable.
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Sun 18 Aug, 2013 3:52 pm

In the early '00s I hired a Nissan Pulsar. It was almost new, but the tinniest car I'de ever been in.

A contrast to the turbodiesel W210 hired in Frankfurt a few years earlier...my first intro to the new style Benzes: loved the space, quietness, brakes & cruising ability (and W114 / W108 style view over the bonnet) but hated that they dropped the oil pressure gauge, and the small steering wheel. So not much to complain about, really.
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Post by Brad220S » Wed 21 Aug, 2013 9:17 am

Last week I dropped of my Ford Focus ST for a service, the dealer kindly lent me a new Nissan Micra.

1.2ltr, 3 cylinder, 56kw 100NM and if thats not bad enough.....AUTO
You should not be allowed to put an auto on something with such little power.

I understand the target market is young girls, who don't really demand high performance, but this thing is just so slow its dangerous.

I can usually find something good about most cars, all I could come up with was i didn't pay $20,000 for it and I got to give it back

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Post by Tmaguire » Wed 21 Aug, 2013 10:04 am

Very funny! And too true. I can't wait to get my E55 back. On a good note the pulsar had half a tank when I left Melbourne, back in Albury 3 days later and fuel light just come on! Wouldn't happen in the wagon.

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Post by CraigB » Mon 26 Aug, 2013 12:45 am

must have been late 90's and picked up a hire car in Belfast to drive around Ireland and we got this little Ford focus. I noticed the Zetec badge on it but it didn't mean anything to me at that stage - looked like a normal cheap hire car. And of course i drive hire cars the way they should be and i couldn't believe how revvy and powerful up high this car was - can't remember what it revved to but if a normal car had a high redline you can imagine how high the redline was of a hirecar! Seriously though driving over some of those moors, strip of very winding but good bitumen with no trees to hit - felt like i was in a round of the WRC! Jo doesn't read here of course so i can share that there is no way i would get away with that with her in the car, but my former wife found it all a great laugh..... young and silly!
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Post by John Green » Mon 26 Aug, 2013 10:54 am

last trip to Germany we hired a S350, great car, but we were very disappointed with its top speed. I think I have told this story here before, it goes like this.

On the straight stretch of Autobahn heading toward Berlin that Hitler built for the world speed record runs we floored it only to achieve 247km/h. Just sat there and would not get to the speed limiter of 250km/h... We realised in the plane flying home that being a 7 speed auto with the top two gears being overdrive that if we were in 6th it would have done it easy...
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Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 26 Aug, 2013 11:36 am

Brad220S wrote: I understand the target market is young girls, who don't really demand high performance
That runs contrary to my experience. It's not the Commoda-door P Platers that seem to be zipping in and out of traffic and cutting you off - it's more often young girls in Buzz Boxes
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Post by Mercmad » Mon 26 Aug, 2013 2:19 pm

i have hired some crap and most of it was low mileage too. Amongst the worst was pantec with tires so old I had replaced all 6 by the time i had returned it.Second worst was a VW golf in eastern europe which was basically worn out with massive blowby . The bright sparks who rented it out had put a peice of rubber hose onto the cam cover so the fumes couod escape into the atmosphere ...and stink the car out when heading up a hill. It was using oil so quickly I had to buy cheap oil from roadside vendors (god knows what grade etc it was ) to prevent it from blowing up on me. The alarm system would go off while i driving it and the doors couldn't be locked. Not a good thing in post Soviet Eastern Europe.

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Post by AMG » Mon 26 Aug, 2013 2:37 pm

Had a BMW 118i 5 door hire car for a few days some weeks ago while I was having an unexpected electrical system failure in stella seen to (.

Nice car - except for the stupid f-ing i-drive/display . It really let the whole car down. If the car didn't have it, it'd be a winner.
good handling, comfortable. a little sluggish despite the turbo, but moves respectably well once wound up.
But the red dash illumination at night was a little 'typical bmw boring' much prefer the natural incandescent lighting of the Mercedes.

Given that the price of the car as optioned was directly comparable to the price paid for the Renault Megane RS265 trophy 8:08 in the driveway, I'm not ever going to consider a BMW as a viable purchase option ever. The Renault absolutely sh**s all over the BMW in build quality, performance, handling, ergonomics (yes, did I say ergonomics? BMW are supposed to be the king of that) and, FUEL CONSUMPTION.

Hard to believe - but I was so happy to get Stella back, and live with it's inherent typ107 idiosyncratic faults than to drive that BMW another metre. The novelty wore off within 24 hours.
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Post by Greg in Oz » Tue 27 Aug, 2013 1:02 am

JoeB wrote:Had a BMW 118i 5 door hire car for a few days some weeks ago while I was having an unexpected electrical system failure in stella seen to (.

Nice car - except for the stupid f-ing i-drive/display . It really let the whole car down. If the car didn't have it, it'd be a winner.
good handling, comfortable. a little sluggish despite the turbo, but moves respectably well once wound up.
But the red dash illumination at night was a little 'typical bmw boring' much prefer the natural incandescent lighting of the Mercedes...
Have to agree with you Joe. I know many criticise older Mercs for their subdued instrument lighting, however, not only do I like it that way, but I have mine dimmed considerably below full brightness. I only need to see where the needles are pointing and I would find the instrument lighting in many newer cars (that would look more at home in a poker machine at the club) distracting at night. As for the red used in BMWs, I have never liked that.
JoeB wrote:...Given that the price of the car as optioned was directly comparable to the price paid for the Renault Megane RS265 trophy 8:08 in the driveway, I'm not ever going to consider a BMW as a viable purchase option ever. The Renault absolutely sh**s all over the BMW in build quality, performance, handling, ergonomics (yes, did I say ergonomics? BMW are supposed to be the king of that) and, FUEL CONSUMPTION.

Hard to believe - but I was so happy to get Stella back, and live with it's inherent typ107 idiosyncratic faults than to drive that BMW another metre. The novelty wore off within 24 hours.
Joe's (actually, his better half's) Megane is great "bang for your buck". I have experienced it (from the passenger seat) and, whilst it isn't the outright fastest accelerating car I have been in, it impresses with its stunning dynamics (the "8.08" comes from its lap record time for a FWD production car around the Nurburgring). I can understand it being rated the best front drive available given that it feels like it must be all wheel drive. Probably the most impressive ride I've had since one in an all wheel drive Porsche 911 Carrera 4S.

As for rental cars, I can recall some funny exeriences years ago. Like me, many of my mates from my youth were into cars and motorsport and we often travelled together. I can recall visiting Port Villa in Vanuatu during a cruise back around 1980. We rented a 1970s Toyota Corolla to explore the place and for the novelty of a first drive in a LHD car on the "wrong side" of the road. This thing was the absolute base model right down to rubber floor mats but it did have air-con (for the tropical climate). Only problem was, with a gutless 1.1 litre pushrod engine, with the air-con going the car almost didn't. We did however still manage some "entertaining" driving on the predominantly dirt roads and at least didn't manage to roll it like some other blokes on the same cruise did with their rental car.

Speaking of dirt roads, I can remember holidaying in Tasmania probably just a couple of years later, also with my mates in a rental car. This one was a 6 cylinder Holden Commodore VH. I can remember the rental agreement stating that the car was not to be driven on anything other than sealed roads. Yeah right! How in the early 1980s would you have been able to explore Tassie without venturing off the bitumen? Not only did that Commodore see plenty of gravel action (including one very shredded rear tyre) but one of my mates (a competent rally driver) decided that the car needed a bit (well, actually a lot) more in the performance department. Not long after collecting the car at the airport, he pulled over at the side of the road and removed much of that superfluous emission control equipment that crippled the performance of cars in Oz during that era. "See!" he said, "it goes heaps better now!"

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Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:07 pm

Reliable French Hire cars.

Here is an image of a French hire vehicle - 1 km away from the pickup depot. (Sri Lanka 1982)
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We rang the depot and asked for another car.
We would have been better off with one of these
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Post by AMG » Tue 27 Aug, 2013 11:06 pm

I wasn't going to mention the Holden commodore SV6 that I had as a rental when I was up in brisbane a while back.

Lovely colour - poison Ivy (metallic green)
Interior - nice enough, but the plastic was cheap and nasty (hard) with a horrible texture to it.
I have to think they need to improve the aesthetics and make the interior more tactile instead of the cheap chintzy plastic.
Seats, comfortable, but nothing special. I think the leather version may be a little nicer.

The ergonomics of the dash, steering wheel, radio etc was 'familiar' (if you've driven any holden in the last 30 years, particularly the 'opel' versions, you'll know what I mean by familiar - nothing has changed)

i.e. it's nothing special.

the car has plenty of poke. enough to get moving, but it's let down by a terrible throttle pedal and a transmission with gearing suited to towing a 3 tonne horse float, not propelling 4 passengers comfortably down the road.

vehicle dynamics were what i'd call 'skittish'. very sensitive to steering input just off centre, but numb at half lock, a propensity for the rear to get light under hard acceleration or cornering or lifting off throttle just before turning in, and application of throttle in a corner is like a 1970's porsche with bald tyres… not a whole lot of confidence there. suspension compliance was almost non-existent, the 'sport' version obviously is a crude spring / damper upgrade with little thought given to maintaining some compliance.
NVH was typical aussie car. i.e. crap. Even a toyota has better NVH.

I've had Audi's, golf's Corollas, Hyundai's, aurions, and a bunch of other rentals, and the funny thing is, the cheaper cars are a better (more fun) and more comfortable drive in most cases.

I will not discuss the golf. I have a special locked vault containing a recording of all the expletives I used to describe it when I took it back to the airport after 2 hours. I was happier with the replacement corolla, even though it was a slush-o-matic snail.

Aurion has the worst seats of any car, period (should use the ones from the corolla). Audi was a lot like the BMW, but with absolutely no personality, so there is even less to like. Really rough engine in the audi.

I must emphasize that all the rentals in the last 12 months have been really low mileage examples, most with under 5000km.

I'm disappointed that Hertz are replacing the mercedes with BMW's. I think many people will be disappointed.
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Post by ansteadeh » Wed 28 Aug, 2013 6:55 am

I have just driven an almost new 1.4 turbo diesel 6 spd manual Corolla 1100 Klm around Ireland. Very impressive little car and very capable up to 120 Klm/hr.

I have a 308 diesel Peugeot here in the UK at the moment - 15000 Kay's on it. Poor suspension and poorer economy that the Corolla. Comparing the two - the corolla is a winner by far.

Both cars not nearly as forgiving as my c class though.

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Post by Boyracer » Sat 31 Aug, 2013 7:04 pm

I remember when Mercedes Benz of Sydney introduced Holden Commodores as 'courtesy' vehicles. I remember wondering what they were thinking!
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Post by Astron Boy » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 8:06 pm

Boyracer wrote:I remember when Mercedes Benz of Sydney introduced Holden Commodores as 'courtesy' vehicles. I remember wondering what they were thinking!
Probably thinking of the customer for when they returned.
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Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 11:28 pm

Boyracer wrote:I remember when Mercedes Benz of Sydney introduced Holden Commodores as 'courtesy' vehicles. I remember wondering what they were thinking!
When my local stealership were working on my W140 (it was in their garage more than it was in mine) The loan car was a 180e with wind up windows and four on the floor
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Post by tips » Tue 08 Apr, 2014 9:10 am

not so much as crappy but the pricing of hire cars is OTT.

In Vbrisvegas tomorrow for a client meeting at Yatala so instead of an expensive cab thought I would hire a car.
Look up the web site and click on the $52 a day car (holden cruze) and expected there to be some additional charges but I did not expect it to then be almost double!!

Total Estimated Price: $93.17 AUD

Total Estimated Price includes (for the period of hire):
Vehicle Registration Fee $6.00
Sales Tax $11.33
Concession Recovery Fee $13.64
Base Rate 1 Days/0Hour $52.25

Not sure what the other $9.95 is thats not detailed!!!
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by Starman » Tue 08 Apr, 2014 9:25 am

I recently settled a dispute with Hertz Los Angeles when they charged me double the double cost. My agent in Australia successfully got the money refunded. Hertz are simply terrible to deal with, and I dont like renting from them although they are my employers car company of choice.
I think me and a few mates should buy an S500 and keep it in a garage in LA, it would be cheaper!!!
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by AMG » Tue 08 Apr, 2014 10:58 pm

I don't pre-book.

I walk up to the counter, present the funky card, ask them if they have anything 'nicer' and sometimes, if you're in the right place at the right time, you can get a luxury car for the same price as a mid size, and no extra charges.

Not sure what you guys are doing to get shafted, but pre-booking is a big waste of time, unless you need a ute or a truck. And there are plenty of online booking comparison sites you can use to check out the rates - and even book through another agency much cheaper than the avis or hertz desk. europcar and thrifty are not so 'friendly' with their charges.

We always used to say the hire car company always kicks you where it Hertz. But lately I've found them to be very pleasant and no sting in the tail with prices either...


Had a GT86 a couple weeks ago. what a bucket of faeces. If you had ideas - don't bother. a 40 year old 107 with rotten subframe bushes is a better driving car.
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by Michel » Sat 19 Apr, 2014 7:53 am

Whenever I'm travelling interstate, I make sure I book my rental car through the Qantas website (just after I book my ticket).
Best deals with the three major rental companies.
Always book the smallest auto with A/C and never have a problem getting the right car.
Most of the time (depending on the destination) it's under $60 per day ALL UP.
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by tips » Sat 19 Apr, 2014 10:26 am

I do the same Michel for cars and hotels as I use the Q points plus Amex to get shopping vouchers for SWMBO as it offsets the grief on how much I travel.
My experience further up the thread ended up as an upgrade to a ford falcon with only 50kms on the clock as it had integrated GPS.rather that than a Korean small tin can.
The hotel I stay in Chapel st Melb has 2 smart cars that they rent out to guests for $50 a day. Next trip I am going to use one as it's pretty cheap to get around to our office in Richmond and then a couple off local customer appointments. Saves waiting for cabs and gives me probably my only opportunity to drive a smart car :dance:
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Post by Mercmad » Sat 19 Apr, 2014 12:09 pm

I missed out on a couple of SMARTS at an auction recently ..one sold for $1400 . Needless to say the buyer was ecstatic.

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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by Alex126 » Thu 12 Jun, 2014 2:58 pm

When I was in my early 20s I crashed my VS commodore, it was about 6 months old, the panel shop gave me a 70something corona, the drivers window didn't go down and it overheated on the side of stud road after about 3 days, I rang them and they said put the keys in the glove box and just leave it there!
Conversely I had my company car at the time serviced about 4 years ago, it was a turbo diesel Mondeo, the stealership gave me a 6 speed manual xr8 sedan, I has planned to go to Dandenong that day but suddenly decided I needed to go to Morwell and Yarram, enjoyed the drive!
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by vanir » Tue 26 Aug, 2014 10:33 pm

Our shop has a fleet of some 15 loan cars, all new Nissans. You get a choice, a few micras, some tiidas and some pulsars. Pulsars are by the far the best to drive. Tiidas are cheap and nasty with old style transmissions and the seats are way too high, it's like driving a minibus but you're in a small hatch. Terrible turning circle too, I think it's about the same as a Ford Falcon, ie. you can't do a u-turn on a wide road, you have to do a 3-pointer which is just ridiculous in a car that small. The micra is gutless but big on fandangle features like auto headlights and computer screen instrument cluster. You can also do a 180 in about two car widths. Would not like to be in any kind of collision in that car I can tell you, a side wind almost gets it airborne at 60. Pulsar is pretty good for a cheap hatch, pretty much a base model with alloys it nevertheless has a sport mode trannie with full electronic shifting (not like the Tiida which I suspect is still valve and vacuum with only electronic overdrive, it's ancient for a new car), and the Pulsar really goes well with that trans, motor peaks output right off the bat and sticks there so for zippy travelling it feels like a hot hatch, you only notice it's really just a shopping trolley if you explore maximum limits of which there really aren't any. But feels very quick in medium driving, ie. feels and seems much quicker than it is because part-throttle performance is so good. All very good on juice, but so was my 2.6, like really pretty much as good in that department with a lot more fun to drive added. So far the 3.0 hasn't proved to be any worse on fuel than the 2.6, and that's like driving a 454 compared to these little hatches with about as good handling and far more confident safety feel.
In fact about the only thing I can say the 201 might lag compared to these newer light eco cars is on a hard turn in catching an orange arrow the FWD on the throttle causes less roll coming out of the turn, but it can't turn any tighter than the Merc, and the exit speed on the Merc is around 70 straightening out compared to a lucky 40 and the scary sensation you'd flip it if you hit a bump right then. With the moonlaunch 1st in a 722.4 trans, in the performance stakes I can say there is just plain no condition whatsoever any of these hatches could get anywhere near the Merc if I felt like going hard, even over long hauls including fuel stops. Geez any 201 doesn't even work to do 100mph so highway is even no advantage to the 25yr newer small cars.

Now I do recognize a decent new model hot hatch like the Renaults and etc. I see around that look pretty cool, I'm sure they'd trump my 201 in every department. But off the shelf base model shopping trolley Japanese hatches I'm finding I always can't wait to get back into my 25yr old 190 and it's better in every way, and was really the shopping trolley Merc version of its day. Just a completely different class of car. I hope that doesn't sound all stuffy, it really is how I've been feeling about it, only owned a Merc for a couple of years now, had Toranas and things like that before. A cleveland. etc.



For some real disappointment, mechanic shop around the corner has old camry v6 loan cars, not very good cars. Horrid tinny sound, gutless, heavy on fuel, same kms as my 201. Horrid cars, both of them. They actually give you a headache driving them very far, for many reasons. But a genuine headache, like your head actually hurts and your eyes squint.
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Post by brycedunn » Wed 27 Aug, 2014 12:07 am

I used to have a job where I was in a different city in the USA every week with a different rental car.

A few highlights.

Ford Mustang 6cyl. The build quality was so bad you could feel the drafts coming in from the various panel fit gaps. In order to convince the public that it was a 'sporting' car, I think it had no suspension at all. So of course, a car with 5,000 miles already had more ratting trim than an 80s corolla with 200,000. Despite being a coupe, it had an alarming amount of body flex too. The engine was hardly willing. No wonder it was a rental car.

Ford Ranger. Driving this thing was like being on a cattle grid 24x7. I had to pull over and check I didn't have a flat tire, but no. I get to Chicago airport at about midnight and they are out of the 'midsize' blandmobile that my company has ordered me. No matter, because I am 'upgraded' for free to a pickup truck. Oh joy. Being a rental car, it is the 2wd version. Zero weight in the back. 2" snow on the ground. 115 miles to milwaukee. More than 10% throttle means being sideways. I get there and the stupid thing has used half a tank of fuel and it's only a V6. What a turd. I'm used to RWD as my winter beater is a 560SEC but the SEC is like a snowplow compared to this.

Chrysler Sebring convertible. Chicago in January. Again, I get there about midnight and I have been given an 'upgrade'. This car defines scuttle shake. It's about -10F outside so even holding the car in first gear and keeping it at redline can't get heat out of this woeful engine. Even better was that I had arranged to pick up my coworker from the airport two days later. He's from California so I remind him to bring a hat and gloves, but he think's i'm just being a useless aussie complaining about the winter, so it's rather amusing seeing him experience a Chicago winter in a convertible with no hat or gloves.

Chevvy HHR. You might be familiar with the PT cruiser. Was quite a common rental car because even Joe Average in america didn't want them after the first year. Terrible car and you need to wear a bag over you head to drive it. But the HHR is worse, as it's a bad copy of a crappy car, and everything is just a bit worse. The PT looser has an anemic engine and no handling. the HHR has less power. The PT looser has poor visibility, the HHR has worse. Not much room for rear passengers in the PT, again less in the HHR. The HHR is a great example of why GM went bankrupt.
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by AMG » Sat 30 Aug, 2014 6:40 pm

I have a new candidate for worst hire car ever....
Toyota Prius.

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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by TheMadRacoon » Sat 30 Aug, 2014 7:35 pm

It failed to energize you, then? :laughing6:

Was it a case of gadgetry over substance? I think it's clever technology, but perhaps should be reserved for public transport.
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Post by AMG » Sun 31 Aug, 2014 6:10 pm

Don't get me started. Substance? Zero.
Energetic? not on your life.
ergonomics? f-ing shocking.
gadgetry? useless gimmicky crap.
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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 31 Aug, 2014 8:38 pm

AMG wrote:Don't get me started. Substance? Zero.
Energetic? not on your life.
ergonomics? f-ing shocking.
gadgetry? useless gimmicky crap.
You forgot:

Marketing exercise : Check
Celebrity guilt vehicle : Check
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by vanir » Sat 06 Sep, 2014 9:14 am

I worked at Melb City Toyota when the 1st series Prius was new. Back then the door handles were power operated, there was no key entry, so in a workshop when you're moving cars around all over the shop the batteries on basic domestics always run flat, even an electric car like the Prius, they simply have no running time to recharge with all the stop/start move/park that happens in that environment. Even monster diesels will run flat (yet no prestige cars tend to, odd).
So when an early Prius went flat, you can't even open the door to pop the hood...

dumb, dumb and dumb.


They fixed that, but damn we used to laugh. Eco friendly Prius, because if you leave the lights on, you're taking a train.
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by TheMadRacoon » Wed 04 Mar, 2015 9:03 pm

Hired a Renault Fluence. Perhaps they mis-spelled it (pardon me). As an appliance it's great. As a car? Hmmm, wondering how many months before the gadgets expire, and then how much will it cost to fix?

Apparently it is (or sold as) a Samsung in Korea. Can't say I've heard of any other Samsung car.

But the gadgets! Power driver's seat with 3 independently and electrically adjustable lumber support regions, seat warmer and two types of backrest massage. Two sunroofs (rear fixed), sunroof & rear door blinds, blind-spot warning (which didn't work with the master switch in either position), cruise control and speed limiter, tyre pressure monitoring system, some fancy climate control with extra options - activated carbon filters perhaps, stereo with various inputs but that can't be turned off unless you turn off the main screen which shuts down everything, proximity sensors front & rear, auto-dipping passengermirror when Reverse selected, sat-nav, Bluetooth, and much more probably.

Amble along and it's just fine.

Hit the brakes hard and you're back to 1963.
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Re: Crappy Loan / Hire Cars

Post by 76Benz » Wed 04 Mar, 2015 11:30 pm

We just hired Skoda Yeti for our jaunt round Europe, an upgrade from a Micra.
What a relief as the Micra would have been a nightmare.
The Yeti was brilliant, AWD for the snow, diesel and big enough to fit the 4 of us.
We enjoyed it that much we were sad we had to leave it and if we were in a position to buy a new car would buy one tomorrow.
Even managed to get it to 180 on the Autobahn, the kids wanted to try for 200 but the wife was not too impressed

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