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Post by Tomas03 » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 11:10 am

This one is on the marketplace forum but hoping to get some more in depth views here.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mercedes-190 ... Ciid%253A1

Lets assume it is a sportline because it looks legit. Lets say it is a car in good condition. How do you put a value on it? :think:
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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 1:28 pm

Look for the 16 valve engine cover.
That may give you a clue to the rest of the description
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Post by Tomas03 » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 3:14 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 1:28 pm
Look for the 16 valve engine cover.
That may give you a clue to the rest of the description
I'm not sure what that means. The car is a sportline, the vin confirms this. I don't think sportlines were necessarily 16 valve. It was just an option on all models. I have spoken to the current owner, has anyone else? I was more concerned with the value of such as car assuming that everything in the description is accurate.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 4:06 pm

I'm not seeing the Sportline badges on the sides of the car or the Sportline badge on the gearstick.
Sportlines had smaller steering wheels.
I've seen those style of seats for sale at a wreckers.

if it had been $187,000 it would have had a 16v engine or the 2.6., Sportswheels and not the standard 15 holes.

The only way to confirm the VIN is Sportline is at a stealership or find someone with access to the EPC. The EPC will give you the option list.

There was man who lives not far from myself who had a 190 Cosworth. There was no mistaking it at all. You could make out it's 190 DNA underneath - not the other way around.
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Post by T-Modell » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 4:15 pm

Hi Daniel,

"sportline" was one of the first "lines", Mercedes introduced (like avantgarde, elegance later). As said here, there's badges, other seat covers etc.

I guess the one advertised was just fitted with AMG options, but besides that it's just a normal 190E 2.0. So it could be true what the seller is, just the wording "sportline" is misleading, as it was something different. Also it's got nothing to do with "cosworth", besides that the extra instruments are missing etc etc.

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Post by Tomas03 » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 5:09 pm

Gents

I understand the words in the ad are a little misleading and it certainly points to the seller wanting to draw attention to the car and probably not realising the extent of difference between a cosworth and this car (lets face it many people think a 190 cosworth is an amg, which it is not). He actually knows that it is not a cosworth and knows the AMG kit was a dealer option. The seller knows the value of the car new so I don't know why he put 187k instead of 97k (the actual value new), because he has the original purchase documents. I have accessed the vin coding and the car is one that is a sportline and also has an AMG bodykit on it. I have satisfied myself of these matters.

My question was and is, what is a 190e 2.0 sportline worth? I have seen 2.6's advertised for more than twice as much. I like the look of the car and it has a nice history but I am not sure of its worth? :dontknow:
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Post by T-Modell » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 5:54 pm

Hi Daniel,

it's worth as much as someone is willing to pay; I wouldn't want it because of the design.

To the value: Have a look at the car in detail; forget "sportline" or whatever it's called; the condition is everything that matters. When I see that parts are already missing (panels front left, behind the wheel), some might be damaged (or dirt; right sillbar at the back) and > 200,000kms on it ... hmm, if you really fall in love with the car and the condition is good, I'd go for 5-6000.

It might just be difficult to get the missing part.

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P. S.: It's always interesting, that the 2.3-16 or 2.5-15 are called Cosworth outside of Germany; they just provided the cylindre head afaik. Here it's just the "190" with the spoilers ... and of course a Mercedes; AMG came later ...
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Post by TeeCee » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 7:19 pm

This appears to be nothing more than a 1989 190e 2.0 (WDB2010242) with '16V' body kit and seats - Nothing 'AMG' or 'Sportline' to be seen.
Redbook price guide -
*Private Price Guide $1,600 - $3,600
*Price When New $72,800*
Maybe add $500 for the '16V' body kit & seats - if it was 'One of Six' it would have documentation from either Carshine or Bob Jane.

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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 8:33 pm

1989 Base prices were around $73,000 but by the time taxes, delivery charges, stamp duties rego etc etc OTR ended up around $90K for a 2.0 litre :dontknow: The luxury car (envy) tax whacked a bunch of dollars on it

The stripped down 180e was bought down to get under the LCT. It was till expensive for what it was.

I can't actually imagine anyone with any economical reality would option up a AMG / Sportline Kit from a stealership in 1989.
If you were going to order one up then it would make economic sense to order up the whole hog - 16v engine etc.
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Post by Tomas03 » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 9:41 pm

TeeCee wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 7:19 pm
This appears to be nothing more than a 1989 190e 2.0 (WDB2010242) with '16V' body kit and seats - Nothing 'AMG' or 'Sportline' to be seen.
Redbook price guide -
*Private Price Guide $1,600 - $3,600
*Price When New $72,800*
Maybe add $500 for the '16V' body kit & seats - if it was 'One of Six' it would have documentation from either Carshine or Bob Jane.
Have you read what I have previously typed. The car, by its VIN no., is a 190E 2.0 with 'Sportline' option. It has a dealer optioned AMG kit on it as well. Price when new $96487. Taking into account those facts how do you think that affects pricing now?
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Post by T-Modell » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:20 pm

Have you read, what I have written? :laughing6: :laughing6:

The original price is absolutely irrelevant. Imho the actual price is independant of that. Or why is a good R107 300SL nearly the same price as a good 500SL?

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Post by TeeCee » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:52 pm

Tomas03 wrote:
'Have you read what I have previously typed. The car, by its VIN no., is a 190E 2.0 with 'Sportline' option. It has a dealer optioned AMG kit on it as well. Price when new $96487. Taking into account those facts how do you think that affects pricing now?'

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Point 1 - There is no "Dealer Optioned AMG Kit" on that W201 - No AMG spoiler/wheels/Steering Wheel or the Zebrano interior as fitted to ALL 'W201 Dealer Optioned AMG Kits' from 1988 on. (Carshine in Melb was the southern distributor with most being done through Lanes Motors (Now Mercedes Melb).

Point 2 - The 'Sportline' Option came with exterior badges/smaller steering wheel/sportline shifter/quicker steering ratio & tuned suspension - NON of this is visible in the photos.

I can only assume that this is why the car has been on the market for some time as anyone 'educated' with AMG & Sportline can clearly see that the description does not match the photos.

I stand by my statement that the vehicle is a 1989 190e 2.0 with a '16V' body kit and seats fitted.

If you are seriously contemplating purchasing @$7k plus I would be requesting the 'correct' documentation from the seller-

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Post by Tomas03 » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 11:15 pm

TeeCee wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:52 pm
Tomas03 wrote:
'Have you read what I have previously typed. The car, by its VIN no., is a 190E 2.0 with 'Sportline' option. It has a dealer optioned AMG kit on it as well. Price when new $96487. Taking into account those facts how do you think that affects pricing now?'

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Point 1 - There is no "Dealer Optioned AMG Kit" on that W201 - No AMG spoiler/wheels/Steering Wheel or the Zebrano interior as fitted to ALL 'W201 Dealer Optioned AMG Kits' from 1988 on. (Carshine in Melb was the southern distributor with most being done through Lanes Motors (Now Mercedes Melb).

Point 2 - The 'Sportline' Option came with exterior badges/smaller steering wheel/sportline shifter/quicker steering ratio & tuned suspension - NON of this is visible in the photos.

I can only assume that this is why the car has been on the market for some time as anyone 'educated' with AMG & Sportline can clearly see that the description does not match the photos.

I stand by my statement that the vehicle is a 1989 190e 2.0 with a '16V' body kit and seats fitted.

If you are seriously contemplating purchasing @$7k plus I would be requesting the 'correct' documentation from the seller-
Why are you arguing with me about this? I have the documentation. I just want to know your thoughts on the value of the car accepting what I have said to be true.
If you have seen sportlines you know the badging sits in a place where it would need to be removed for the AMG kit to be fitted. If you know about 'dealer' options you will know that it is a thing the dealer organises. It is very common for dealers to have arrangements with 3rd party providers. Dealers used to send cars to carshine or Bob Jane to get fitted out. My local ford dealer has all their performance parts fitted by various workshops, and if you buy a Walkinshaw kit from City holden in Adelaide, it doesn't get fitted by them as they are not the walkinshaw dealer, although you can order it through them. If you look at the car it does have the smaller steering wheel, it does have the correct wheels, it is sitting lower as a sportline should and it most importantly has the correct interior, but wow it doesn't have badges on the outside or gearshifter. One thing I know it has is a sportline option as that is what is on the data card. How many times do I need to say it. I just want peoples thoughts on what value that has.
Whe're now having an argument about the validity of the car but I just want to know if a sportline is worth double a normal 190. :wall:
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Post by Tomas03 » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 11:31 pm

T-Modell wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:20 pm
Have you read, what I have written? :laughing6: :laughing6:

The original price is absolutely irrelevant. Imho the actual price is independant of that. Or why is a good R107 300SL nearly the same price as a good 500SL?

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I did read that :book: :laughing6: and it was good food for thought and your point about condition is correct, but many threads on this forum would show that a sportline car should have much more value than a non sportline. On carsales there are currently 2 190 2.6's. One a sportline priced at $13990 the other a non sportline for $3600. The non appears to be in better shape. Is it only the 2.6's that should command more? I agree that original purchase price is mostly irrelevant but it only adds to my query as the sportline package only added $6900 to the cost of a $90000 car, But because of that option, does it now make the car worth 3 times as much as a standard version. :dontknow: Is a 2.0 sportline collectable enough to warrant the extra cash?
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Fri 20 Oct, 2017 12:53 am

There's plenty of opinions on prices, eg for SLCs. At the end of the day it's your money, and the premium seems to be $3,500 so you have to decide if that is worth paying. The market price is set by the market and perhaps there are too few of these to get a clear picture.....price might be determined by the "I want it" factor.

Other than that it really is about condition because that extra dosh might be small compared to any hidden mechanical or body problems.

Remember, even if a car is collectable, and holds its price over a decade, you're paying out $ for the upkeep commmensurate with its collectibility.

Personally, unless it's a Cosworth I don't think its value will shoot up like an early SL (or 560SL), 280SE Coupe or Convertible, 6.3, 6.9 or 500SLC.
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Post by Tony From West Oz » Fri 20 Oct, 2017 1:01 am

Not worth 3* a bog std 190.
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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 20 Oct, 2017 10:39 am

Back in 1989 AMG were not part of Daimler Benz. AMG was a third party options company.

The Cosworth models were basic cars sent off to Cosworth and fitted out under the direction of the DB racing team manager.

As TeeCee mentioned. Lanes would have sent the car off to Car Shine to get the "AMG" body kit installed.

Back in the late '80's my cars were serviced at the local stealer. They gave me demonstrators when the cars were in getting attended to.
Usually 190's.
There was method in this - they were after repeat sales.
One demonstrator 190 I drove was an ordinary 2.0litre model with the options of Sunroof, leather seats and all electric windows. The RRP was $90K OTR.

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Post by T-Modell » Fri 20 Oct, 2017 5:39 pm

Tony From West Oz wrote:
Fri 20 Oct, 2017 1:01 am
Not worth 3* a bog std 190.
Tony,
you summarised it in one sentence, hats off! :occasion5:

This here would be a collectible, 1st hand, 49,000kms, inherited from the mother, perfect condition. And if I transfer Euro-AUD 1:1 in regards to market price of old cars, around 7,500 AUD it would be worth.

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Post by AMG » Fri 20 Oct, 2017 8:48 pm

There are more than a few alarm bells.

1. it's not a sportline bodykit, nor is it a 16v bodykit.
2. it's an 8v engine
3. there is no centre console to indicate it's a sportline, nor the console and additional gauges to indicate it's a 16v
4. it has 16v seats.
5. it has a 16v rear spoiler
6. it has a 220km/hr speedo.

There is nothing "1 of 6" about it. more like one of six hundred thousand in the same colour. :occasion5:

It's not representative of a true original car, so I wouldn't waste my time or money on a dishonest ad.
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Post by TeeCee » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:35 pm

My father gave me this 1993 Mercedes 180E when he stopped driving in 2011 - Purchased new from Lanes Motors in Sth. Melb August 1993 and optioned with power windows, alarm and 'AMG Pack' comprising AMG rear spoiler; AMG 16x7.5 Monoblock wheels AMG steering wheel and zebrano trim. (You had to order minimum three 'AMG' items). These were fitted at Carshine.

Now travelled 59,000 original kilometres with all purchase receipts & service documentation.

I know it's only a '180E' , but it was possibly the most expensive 180e sold - My father was quiet eccentric.

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Post by Tomas03 » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:19 pm

TeeCee wrote:
Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:35 pm
My father gave me this 1993 Mercedes 180E when he stopped driving in 2011 - Purchased new from Lanes Motors in Sth. Melb August 1993 and optioned with power windows, alarm and 'AMG Pack' comprising AMG rear spoiler; AMG 16x7.5 Monoblock wheels AMG steering wheel and zebrano trim. (You had to order minimum three 'AMG' items). These were fitted at Carshine.

Now travelled 59,000 original kilometres with all purchase receipts & service documentation.

I know it's only a '180E' , but it was possibly the most expensive 180e sold - My father was quiet eccentric.

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Beautiful car. If you were to sell it how much would you ask? Can you clarify something? On the data card what no's signify the AMG pack. On Sportlines, which was the pre AMG merger sports pack, it was 950 or 951.

As far as being a 180, who cares, its a beautiful car that was nicely optioned.
The car I've been asking about was given away as a prize in Qld. But it is similarly optioned to yours. Nowhere near as good cond though I expect.
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Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:27 pm

One of the reasons for outsourcing these AMG options to Carshine was to keep the 180e's under the LCT.
The manual version of the original poverty pack 180e was actually more pleasant to drive than the auto.

Many of these W201's and the first W202's coming to Australia were converted from manual wind windows to electric lift here.

TeeCee. That's a nice looking car :salute:
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Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:32 pm

Tomas. your link to Shutterfly wont open without signing up.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:48 pm

Tomas03 wrote:
Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:19 pm


Beautiful car. If you were to sell it how much would you ask? Can you clarify something? On the data card what no's signify the AMG pack. On Sportlines, which was the pre AMG merger sports pack, it was 950 or 951.

As far as being a 180, who cares, its a beautiful car that was nicely optioned.
The car I've been asking about was given away as a prize in Qld. But it is similarly optioned to yours. Nowhere near as good cond though I expect.
https://photos.shutterfly.com/full/73434651755
I.M.H.O. TeeCee's car is worth North of $10.K. But what it's worth and how much you would get in the market place :dontknow:

Prize values?
I'm reminded of those quiz shows who would give away a diamond with the Value of "$20,000".
When a winner of one of those expensive diamonds went to sell it they were lucky to get a value of $2K.

Tomas. What is valuable is that 3.5 6.3. of yours. And even then it depends on condition.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Tomas03 » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:57 pm

https://pix.sfly.com/QCkJAF

See if this works.
AMG wrote:
Fri 20 Oct, 2017 8:48 pm
There are more than a few alarm bells.

1. it's not a sportline bodykit, nor is it a 16v bodykit. It is a dealer optioned AMG kit
2. it's an 8v engine Thats because it is a 190E 2.0 Sportline, not a 16v. Check out this link and post 3 http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/228558/1/
3. there is no centre console to indicate it's a sportline, nor the console and additional gauges to indicate it's a 16v Photos on the interweb show the centre console was a bit hit and miss. Some have some don't. Its not a 16v
4. it has 16v seats. You and Greg discussed this on this forum in 2014. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19740&p=141959&hili ... ne#p141959. This is a Sportline interior, just like Greg's. Very rare
5. it has a 16v rear spoiler No it has an AMG spoiler
6. it has a 220km/hr speedo.

There is nothing "1 of 6" about it. You are right. Going from the link above it was 1 in 2. more like one of six hundred thousand in the same colour. :occasion5:

It's not representative of a true original car, so I wouldn't waste my time or money on a dishonest ad.
You have this style of car and so your opinion as to value would hold some value. If this car is a 190E 2.0 sportline with AMG kit and is in normal for age condition, how much would you pay for it?
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Tomas03 » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:12 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:48 pm
I.M.H.O. TeeCee's car is worth North of $10.K. But what it's worth and how much you would get in the market place :dontknow:
Prize values?
I'm reminded of those quiz shows who would give away a diamond with the Value of "$20,000".
When a winner of one of those expensive diamonds went to sell it they were lucky to get a value of $2K.

Tomas. What is valuable is that 3.5 6.3. of yours. And even then it depends on condition.
Did you see the 3.5? Its horrible. The 6.3 is nice but the engine is sitting in the garage at the moment :boohoo:
I agree about the value of prizes like you mentioned but when the prize is a mercedes 190e you know what the value is.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:34 pm

Tomas03 wrote:
Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:57 pm
https://pix.sfly.com/QCkJAF

If that description refers to the car in the ebay ad then IMHO The Art Union was shortchanged by the supplier of the prize.
Either the supplier of the Prize or the Art Union themselves were very "free" with their description of that car.

The Art Union lottery has been going for donkeys years.

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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Tomas03 » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 7:10 pm

If that description refers to the car in the ebay ad then IMHO The Art Union was shortchanged by the supplier of the prize.

Either the supplier of the Prize (Mercedes Benz Australia)or the Art Union themselves were very "free" with their description of that car. Why? You said "One demonstrator 190 I drove was an ordinary 2.0 litre model with the options of Sunroof, leather seats and all electric windows. The RRP was $90K OTR". This one is the ordinary 2.0 with the sportline option at $7k approx and the AMG kit. Seems about right. We all know that the sportline option was very rare.

The Art Union lottery has been going for donkeys years. Lots of different types but this is the MS Limited Edition which always features a Merc as the headline prize I might have to start entering them because people actually win them. I was always sceptical. Here's their latest
https://www.mslimitededition.com.au/
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by AMG » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 10:28 pm

Tomas03 wrote:
Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:57 pm
https://pix.sfly.com/QCkJAF

See if this works.
AMG wrote:
Fri 20 Oct, 2017 8:48 pm
There are more than a few alarm bells.

1. it's not a sportline bodykit, nor is it a 16v bodykit. It is a dealer optioned AMG kit
2. it's an 8v engine Thats because it is a 190E 2.0 Sportline, not a 16v. Check out this link and post 3 http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/228558/1/
3. there is no centre console to indicate it's a sportline, nor the console and additional gauges to indicate it's a 16v Photos on the interweb show the centre console was a bit hit and miss. Some have some don't. Its not a 16v
4. it has 16v seats. You and Greg discussed this on this forum in 2014. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19740&p=141959&hili ... ne#p141959. This is a Sportline interior, just like Greg's. Very rare
5. it has a 16v rear spoiler No it has an AMG spoiler
6. it has a 220km/hr speedo.

There is nothing "1 of 6" about it. You are right. Going from the link above it was 1 in 2. more like one of six hundred thousand in the same colour. :occasion5:

It's not representative of a true original car, so I wouldn't waste my time or money on a dishonest ad.
You have this style of car and so your opinion as to value would hold some value. If this car is a 190E 2.0 sportline with AMG kit and is in normal for age condition, how much would you pay for it?

Let's be clear about some things.

1. the ebay ad in your OP is what I replied to.
2. Everything I said is clear - and correct. The seats are the same manual black 16v seats as the ones I just pulled out of Derek's 2.5-16 not the enlarged thigh bolster manual sportline seats, which has a different profile. The rear spoiler is a 16v spoiler. AMG offered 2 spoilers - a lip spoiler and the ducktail spoiler. from 1988, the sportline rear spoiler had the 3rd brake light in the middle, which is a clear differentiator.
3. Whatever the price was back in the 1980's is completely irrelevant to the here and now.

AMG kits in the 80's were aftermarket accessories. It matters not who installed it. There are PLENTY of them around. I was offered a set in barolo red not 3 weeks ago for $400 - which is about $350 more than it was worth.

Have a look at my thread in the 16v subforum regarding the replacement costs of 16v bodykit parts. Then ask yourself who in their right mind would actually pay that much - noone in their right mind..... :laughing6: that is for sure.

At the end of the day, it's nothing special. It's a sportline, but it's only a 2.0 - so it's not got any grunt at all. And it's auto.

If it was a 2.3 sportline and manual, then yes - it would be worth a LOT more than the asking price - if it was still original.
If it was an original 16v, then yeah, multiply by 5 and your figure is starting to get close.


Here's something you may not be aware of.

Sportline is the equivalent to the "AMG-line" of today - i.e. a bullshit cosmetic package with a catchy name (MB happen to use the amg caché to imply sportiness and expense) and springs that are hard as rocks and stiffer antirollbars.

that is pretty much it. cosmetic upgrade with funky badges.

But, because the sportline bodykit was removed and replaced with the amg one - it adds no value whatsoever. it takes value away, as the originality is not there. - sportline is not a sportline when half the bits that make it a 'sportline' are missing - and in the case of a 201024 automatic 2.0L- the bodykit is pretty much EVERYTHING about the sportline that is appealing.....

This is not a hate fest. It's just applying logic to the issue.

You can buy the sportline antiroll bars, springs and dampers from mercedes still - and they are not expensive..... in fact, cheaper than most aftermarket offerings.

the decals - you can get them, but no point if the bodykit is an amg bolt-on one.

I understand that it is an interesting car - perhaps with a unique circumstance of origin, but at the end of the day, it's not a whole of something, but parts brought together to create some appeal.

This is a really touchy subject for some people - particularly those who have a vested interest in their modified vehicle.

The bottom line is that modifications, unless performance oriented, period correct and carrying supporting authenticity (amg build sheet for example) are not worth anything over or above the market value of an unmodified standard car in the same physical condition.

That can be a bitter pill to swallow for a lot of people.

Don't get hung up on some kind of false provenance - just because some art union or lottery ordered a car from a mercedes dealer and then paid a few extra $ to get a cosmetic kit put on it, doesn't make it worth more than an original unmodified car in good condition.

If the vehicle was a 201029, and it had the kit, then I could understand the asking price.

but it's a 201024. and there are more of those laying around than you can poke a stick at.

I wouldn't buy it, unless I decided to drop my spare OM606 in it for shits n giggles. But there is a w124 230TE on gumtree which would make a more suitable donor and it's only asking 1200 - it's worth 300 max.

What you're looking at isn't anything really special. If it was a 2.6 sportline and original, then yes asking price would be approximate, given excellent condition with service history and log books.

Bear in mind there have been some really absurd asking prices for ridiculously neglected cars and people are dumb enough to pay silly money when they believe a well-spun bullshit story.


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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Tomas03 » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 12:02 am

Thank you. Exactly the sort of info I was after. :book: Sounds like I would better going for a 190 2.6 in my area that's in decent condition for $3500.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by T-Modell » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 4:53 am

I admire your patience Joe ... :notworthy:
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by AMG » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 11:46 am

Tomas03 wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 12:02 am
Thank you. Exactly the sort of info I was after. :book: Sounds like I would better going for a 190 2.6 in my area that's in decent condition for $3500.
Check the service history, make sure it checks out. get a PPI by a well-respected independent specialist - doesn't matter if you're good with 201's or not - second pair of eyes will always be objective.

get a full quote on all parts required to make the vehicle roadworthy, get a quote on all parts which need replacement in the future short term.

subtract the price of parts and labour off your offer.

the price will reflect the true value of the vehicle.

If it's roadworthy, well-maintained, with log books, receipts and has excellent cosmetic condition, it's worth around 4K.

There are a few really poor quality 201029's around at the moment - most I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. At 2.5K with no rust and clean paint and a good interior, they represent OK value - but be prepared to do some mechanical work to make it reliable.
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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by AMG » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 11:50 am

T-Modell wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 4:53 am
I admire your patience Joe ... :notworthy:
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Haha you should have come car shopping with me yesterday. I reckon you'd be having a nervous breakdown. I've got a well-established learned practice to just stand there and switch off when the sale-BS-o-Meter starts going up.
:occasion5:

for me it works like this: BS starts, price goes down by 5K every time some standard feature is mentioned, or "condition" is described with enthusiasm.

:laughing5: :violent3:
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2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 12:15 pm

Buy a new Benz.
Sit down with the sales guy.
Tell him what you want and the options you need.
Find out the price and then haggle it down to the price you want to pay.
Generally the price is far below the RRP.

Used cars with iffy sales pitches are not worth putting up with
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Post by ngruzevs » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 12:21 pm

This car has been for sale since early June, think it says it all.

BTW, none of owners toys are selling.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by indi44 » Tue 14 Nov, 2017 6:12 pm

Keen to understand why it should be listed under the 'under "Fakes for Sale" thread' - Pal. My numbers on the ad....don't be afraid to call me.

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Post by ngruzevs » Wed 15 Nov, 2017 7:06 am

I'm not in need of a W201, but I will admit I was wrong, going by the VIN it was sold as a Sportsline. In saying the above I believe the following points are still valid and I'm sure AMG will happily discuss further

1. it's not a sportline bodykit, nor is it a 16v bodykit.
2. it's an 8v engine
3. there is no centre console to indicate it's a sportline, nor the console and additional gauges to indicate it's a 16v
4. it has 16v seats.
5. it has a 16v rear spoiler
6. it has a 220km/hr speedo.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by indi44 » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:31 pm

ngruzevs wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 7:06 am
I'm not in need of a W201, but I will admit I was wrong, going by the VIN it was sold as a Sportsline. In saying the above I believe the following points are still valid and I'm sure AMG will happily discuss further

1. it's not a sportline bodykit, nor is it a 16v bodykit.
2. it's an 8v engine
3. there is no centre console to indicate it's a sportline, nor the console and additional gauges to indicate it's a 16v
4. it has 16v seats.
5. it has a 16v rear spoiler
6. it has a 220km/hr speedo.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and acknowledging it is a Genuine factory Spotline!!

re some of your points, the ad never stated it had a Sportline kit...it stated it had an AMG kit....
re it being an 8v...the ad stated it was a 2.0 4 cylinder.......
re no centre console to indicate it is a Sportline....the datacard verifies it is a Sportline....
re the 16v seats...the ad stated it had the Cosworth Leather recaros....aka the 16v interior....
....do I need to continue...????

I have a Sportline and I also have a Cossie...and I know the difference between the two...just a bit bizarre that how some people on here love to hide behind their computer whilst pretending they know everything and everything about these car.
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Post by AMG » Sun 19 Nov, 2017 9:42 am

Indi,

The point has been made by several posters above that your ad is stretching the truth. They've called you out on it, rightfully so.

There is a point where you could have clearly participated in the discussion and cleared up the issue very early on. This did not occur, the thread ran on, was debated at length, and people offered comment - which is the purpose of a forum - open discussion.
You may not like it, but that's how it is. I also notice your listing has ended.

Take the criticism levelled in the thread above on the chin, re-list the car for exactly what it is, you're more likely to get interest than by creating some false provenance with wanky sales BS.
If you had been more succinct with your wording the controversy would have amounted to less - and you'd probably have sold the car sooner.

All you really needed to say in your ad was

w201 sportline with AMG kit fitted prior to new delivery.
2.0 auto
working hvac
sunroof
Electrics
honest car with good service records, log books and history.

Show some photos of a car which has been detailed and cleaned for sale and ...

list your Price $

simple. effective. and you'll get genuine interest from people who want a less common variant of a w201.024

You didn't list the VIN in the ebay ad. That's a pretty bad move on your part. This only leads to negative speculation about the claim when a car doesn't present as an original vehicle, as the ad claimed...
And why may you ask? No VIN, no independent verification of fact. It's more than easy enough for someone to do independent research on the vehicle history, and make a decision on whether or not it's worth their further interest. If you have nothing to hide - list the VIN.

Listing the VIN allows legitimate interested parties to do a REVS check, and more importantly check/ validate the claimed specification of the vehicle, options, colours etc.

This applies to most of the issues already debated previously in this thread, which some of us have politely clarified for the OP.

Insofar as pretending to know...

There are a lot of people out there with knowledge, besides yourself. Most of us who try to provide factual support actually do know a thing or three about what constitutes a sportline, a dealer fitted kit, a 16v car and amg aftermarket options.

I'm only going to say this once - If you were less inclined to pump your ad full of hype and bullshit, you would have sold the car long ago by simply presenting it factually with openness and honesty.

Being loose with the truth is a great sales tactic, but people on here can see right through it, and will shred you for it - and deservedly so.

As they say, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen...

Now the problem is the crowd you could have easily sold the car into is now a semi-hostile one.

Best of luck with your sale.
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1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by ngruzevs » Sun 19 Nov, 2017 3:29 pm

I'm always happy to admit when I'm wrong. You're also correct, you know more about the W201 chassis than me, but I somehow doubt it retailed for $180K in 1989. Using Glass's Guide (1994 edition) as an authoritative source a 1989 (yours is built 1/1989) 190E 2.0 retailed for $72800 + $6912 for Sportline option. Even with an AMG kit, that wouldn't have increased price by another $100K. In 1989 you could have purchased a 560SL for $183600.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 19 Nov, 2017 6:00 pm

ngruzevs wrote:
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I'm always happy to admit when I'm wrong. You're also correct, you know more about the W201 chassis than me, but I somehow doubt it retailed for $180K in 1989. Using Glass's Guide (1994 edition) as an authoritative source a 1989 (yours is built 1/1989) 190E 2.0 retailed for $72800 + $6912 for Sportline option. Even with an AMG kit, that wouldn't have increased price by another $100K. In 1989 you could have purchased a 560SL for $183600.
Those prices are base prices and the handling delevery charges, LCT, stamp duties and rego costs were added on top.

I test drove a 190e 2.0 in 1990. It had a sunroof and 4 door electric windows and some other extra's. It was a demo and was $90,000 O.T.R.
My 560SEL was $212,000.00 O.T.R. RRP the 560Sl's slightly more - and you had to wait for one.
The recently introduced at the time 180e poverty pack less than the LCT price cars were killing the other 190e sales - there were deals to be had.

A Cosworth 16v car would have been well over the Hundred $K but not near the $180K mark.

I don't know why a new car buyer would bother to get an 8v 2.0 Sportline and then have the AMG kit added. For the money I would have just opted for either a 2.3 or 2.6 car.
And in that case you are up in W124 pricing then.
The BM 3 series was killing the 190's for performance kudos back then.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by indi44 » Sun 19 Nov, 2017 10:30 pm

Thanks for your feedback, definitely raised some valid points and points that I agree on…but some still a bit bizzare…..

I agree I could have participated on the discussion a lot earlier…..but I enjoyed watching from the sidelines ‘expert’ after ‘expert’ throwing their two cents in.
‘It’s not a Sportline’…or ‘’It’s not worth Sportline money because the Sportline kit has been replaced by an AMG kit’…that to me is the real BS.

Or….’ get a full quote on all parts required to make the vehicle roadworthy, get a quote on all parts which need replacement in the future short term.

subtract the price of parts and labour off your offer.’ – Using this methodology more often than not with a 27 year old car the current owner should be paying you to take their car away!!  :occasion5:

In my opinion....anything is only worth what you should be willing to pay for it. You can ask any experts…reference redbook….etc…but if you can’t settle at a price that provides value to yourself you will be making that purchase for the wrong reason.

And on that note, yes I didn’t list the Vin….however…I did list my phone number and invite any questions…
Again, my preference is talking to people and finding out about the car from the owner….not hiding behind a screen and trying to figure everything out for myself…because I know I don’t and will not ever have all the answers.

Going forward, I will list the VIN, I don’t have anything to hide 

I appreciate that the Ad description may come across lose or as sales BS…but just like the pictures……0 effort has gone into it. I listed the car as I have no long term use for it…so I put it up for sale……if I get what I want for it…I’ll sell it…..it’s not as if I have lost my job…been made redundant…...about to lose my house...there is no real urgency to sell them…if I sell them I sell them…I if don’t…. I don’t

Genuinely, I appreciate your support in the sale process…if you are in Melbourne…and fancy a beverage let me know…..my number is on the ad …(not the G Wagon toy….that toy sold for those interested )
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 20 Nov, 2017 7:55 pm

Your are selling a "Niche" car.
A "Niche" buyer will be attracted to it.
A "Niche" buyer will go through the PPSR well before contacting you.
If you don't provide the VIN or rego number then the PPSR can't be performed.

Niche buyers are fully aware of the Grey market cars that were imported to Australia illegally.
(This writer even fell trap to this).
There were Vic Road officials jailed because of kickbacks to importers of illegal Grey cars.
Vic Roads is still handling cars who have been registered and sold illegally

Without listing the VIN in your advertising you are restricting your market.

You can't advertise your car on this forum without the VIN
Dealers cant advertise their cars without either listing the Registration or VIN - it's a legal requirement.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by indi44 » Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:58 pm

Again....all very valid points....and I would really understand your frustration if I didn't want to disclose the Vin, Service records or DataCard etc upon request....but that was never the case.

Hence why I am a little surprised that all of this has stemmed from me not disclosing the vin.....a rather sensitive bunch it seems....

The silver lining here I suppose is that most of us probably learnt something new about the Sportlines that they probably didn't already know! :blackeye:
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by indi44 » Tue 21 Nov, 2017 5:09 pm

On a slightly separate note...if any of you gents are looking to do a Manual conversion...I have all the required parts and am considering letting all go. Not trying to flog anything and everything on here....just thought I would do the courteous thing and offer it to you boys before I put it on the market.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by T-Modell » Tue 21 Nov, 2017 6:35 pm

indi44 wrote:
Tue 21 Nov, 2017 5:09 pm
On a slightly separate note...if any of you gents are looking to do a Manual conversion......
I guess that makes it a sportline then :laughing6:
Look, sportline is just absolutely nothing special, I have the original price list here. You could just have posted here a copy of 950 or 951 (in your case) code. Sportline just consisted of sport seats front and/or back (950/951), leather steering and gear stick as well as lowered suspension with alloy wheels. Everyone of those options was available individually, so sportline is just a marketing package. Why?

In those days the W201 was the "little S-class", non-sporty, average age pretty high. The BMW 3-series was the sporty car for younger dynamic people. It was one of the first attempts to attract younger buyers.

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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by AMG » Wed 22 Nov, 2017 9:24 am

T-Modell wrote:
Tue 21 Nov, 2017 6:35 pm
indi44 wrote:
Tue 21 Nov, 2017 5:09 pm
On a slightly separate note...if any of you gents are looking to do a Manual conversion......
I guess that makes it a sportline then :laughing6:
Look, sportline is just absolutely nothing special, I have the original price list here. You could just have posted here a copy of 950 or 951 (in your case) code. Sportline just consisted of sport seats front and/or back (950/951), leather steering and gear stick as well as lowered suspension with alloy wheels. Everyone of those options was available individually, so sportline is just a marketing package. Why?

In those days the W201 was the "little S-class", non-sporty, average age pretty high. The BMW 3-series was the sporty car for younger dynamic people. It was one of the first attempts to attract younger buyers.

Regards
Thomas
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Which is pretty much what I said out of the gates, wasn't it? :laughing6: :laughing6: :occasion5:

Here's a unique car - 201.029, sportline spec suspension cream leather interior, dealer fitted 16v bodykit upgraded brakes. The 1987 syd int. motor show car. Sold by Marshalls (MB Paramatta), post motor show.
Unique, yes. But not worth more than a 2.6 with a 16v kit.
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by indi44 » Wed 22 Nov, 2017 12:18 pm

'Which is pretty much what I said out of the gates, wasn't it? :laughing6: :laughing6: :occasion5:'...then again using the same/simplistic principle...a Cossie is ONLY a standard w201 WITH a 16v engine...sports seats..sports suspensions...yadda yadda yadda....see where I am going here?

All these cars are a variation of the basic w201...so struggling to understand why you all seem to fall on your knees at a Cossie ( a specced up w201 in essence) but turn your noses at anything less. Rather bizarre!
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Re: 2.0 sportline

Post by Ivanerrol » Wed 22 Nov, 2017 6:47 pm

A Sportsline is a W201 with a factory package.
A Cosworth is a car with W201 underpinnings.
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